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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.30 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador this shared phone-book is available here. type into the first field the name of the website, like "www.demonoid.com", and it will, like any other phone-book, give you the number "62.149.24.81". you can then paste this number into the browser and the same thing will happen as if you had entered www.demonoid.com
Then, you can put the line;
62.149.24.81 demonoid.com
in your hosts file at c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc and your computer will always look at the right place, even if they do hijack demonoid.com's domain name. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.11.30 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen
Originally by: So Sensational Unless you disagree with IP rights, at which point it is no longer stealing.
I just wanted to say, this is the stupidest thing I've seen yet. It's like saying I don't agree that red light means stop, so it's not illegal if I just keep on driving. The law is the law until the law is changed, okay?
Alright, back to your bickering
Ah but I never said it wasn't illegal or breaking a law.
I said it wasn't stealing, when you make a copy you do not take away the concept (The IP) from the creator.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Lady Skank I was walking around my town center last week and there was an artist with a small store and some stands with some hand painted water colours on display, I liked one of the pictures but he was asking to much for it and I didn't have the money to pay so when he was busy with a customer I made a perfect replica at no expense to the artist.
I don't feel bad about it because it was only imaginary property, a concept, it's not really immoral and the law doesn't matter because laws aren't always perfect and up to date, it is just relative and its not like I would have ever actually paid for everything I perfectly replicate anyway but me taking it inspired me to possibly buy some paintings from an artist I would've never had the pleasure of knowing and now I have this artists beautiful painting on my wall where other people can see it and appreciate it.
Feeling pretty good about what I had accomplished I decided I could do more so I made my own stall opposite the artists stall and made a pretty sign and called it the "painting bay" and then copied every single one of his paintings dozens of times over and then gave one away freely to anyone that wanted one, the artists stall is no longer there anymore though because people didn't buy enough of his paintings to earn him a living from his work so he had to get a job at Tescos. He then decided to make a new painting and since the growth of the media industry is larger than ever he made a billion dollars during the opening weekend.
Fixed.
Fixed again.
And once more.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:08:00 -
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Watch on Bloomberg website the Gamechangers episode for Mark Zuckerburg. He was approached to do a social networking website. Then he started doing his own interpretation of a social networking website. As well as working on a social networking website for some rich ivy league lads who gave him the 'idea'.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2010.11.30 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador this shared phone-book is available here. type into the first field the name of the website, like "www.demonoid.com", and it will, like any other phone-book, give you the number "62.149.24.81". you can then paste this number into the browser and the same thing will happen as if you had entered www.demonoid.com
Then, you can put the line;
62.149.24.81 demonoid.com
in your hosts file at c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc and your computer will always look at the right place, even if they do hijack demonoid.com's domain name.
thanks, didn't know that
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.11.30 20:23:00 -
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solution to this much closer that you think http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-based-dns-to-counter-us-domain-seizures-101130/
geeks > :riaa drone:
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.11.30 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 30/11/2010 20:47:24 ^^^^ That alternative DNS system could make spoofing easier. Like faked wow, ebay, banking web sites.
And it could create a fracture on the internet. This service could be heavily promoted in countries that are somewhat deemed 'rogue states' by the USA. Or countries that want to do their own thing - China So far the internet has had a light touch governance by US based organisations. The United Nations has expressed an interest in having a greater say in the internet. But unfortunately despite the UN's idealistic rhertoric it is often tainted by corruption.
This sort of initiative done in the name of 'Open -> Free' internet could easily fall into a vacuum of typical international vested interests. Which would fracture the internet domain name system into incoherent islands.
The other threat to the internet is telcos with a byzantine mentality such as AT&T. Who want a two-tier internet. You pay extra for more bandwith for 'added value' service and products. This is just because telcos want to climb back up the value chain after falling down since the advent of the popular internet.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.11.30 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue And it could create a fracture on the internet.
could care less, i am OK w/ that is get the job done
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Vmir Gallahasen
Gallente United Mining And Distribution
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Posted - 2010.11.30 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: So Sensational I said it wasn't stealing, when you make a copy you do not take away the concept (The IP) from the creator.
The stealing part isn't the IP itself. You don't actually own any of the copyrighted materials you buy. What you get is a license to utilize a copy of the material. That's why most everything (especially digital media, like software) has an End User License Agreement that grants you the right to use the material in a specific way.
Originally by: Eve-Online EULA REQUIREMENTS TO PLAY To play EVE, you must: (i) purchase a license to the Software (this may be available with the purchase of a boxed version of the Game and/or from the EVE web site http://www.eveonline.com); [...]and (iv) comply with the EULA.
This is a contract. The moment you've breached the contract (by not purchasing a license and therefore not complying with the EULA) you're on the wrong side of the law. What you've stolen from the IP holder(s) is the money s/he/they would have made if you had respected the law.
Stealing IP is different and difficult. Stealing IP would be getting the source code to an unreleased game and then trying to release it before the developers under your own name as your own work.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.30 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen
Originally by: Eve-Online EULA REQUIREMENTS TO PLAY To play EVE, you must: (i) purchase a license to the Software (this may be available with the purchase of a boxed version of the Game and/or from the EVE web site http://www.eveonline.com); [...]and (iv) comply with the EULA.
This is a contract. The moment you've breached the contract (by not purchasing a license and therefore not complying with the EULA) you're on the wrong side of the law. What you've stolen from the IP holder(s) is the money s/he/they would have made if you had respected the law.
And as I've said somewhere in this thread, you cannot, under any condition, steal something from someone they did not have; you cannot steal "Potential" anything.
Claiming someone steals potential profit, would be like a loser of the lottery claiming the winners stole his potential winnings. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.12.01 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen
Originally by: Eve-Online EULA REQUIREMENTS TO PLAY To play EVE, you must: (i) purchase a license to the Software (this may be available with the purchase of a boxed version of the Game and/or from the EVE web site http://www.eveonline.com); [...]and (iv) comply with the EULA.
This is a contract. The moment you've breached the contract (by not purchasing a license and therefore not complying with the EULA) you're on the wrong side of the law. What you've stolen from the IP holder(s) is the money s/he/they would have made if you had respected the law.
And as I've said somewhere in this thread, you cannot, under any condition, steal something from someone they did not have; you cannot steal "Potential" anything.
This. There's no theft involved in Piracy.
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Xiu Ju
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Posted - 2010.12.01 01:33:00 -
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So what I'm hearing here is the US government is provoking the revival of IRC.
Fine by me.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen
Originally by: Eve-Online EULA REQUIREMENTS TO PLAY To play EVE, you must: (i) purchase a license to the Software (this may be available with the purchase of a boxed version of the Game and/or from the EVE web site http://www.eveonline.com); [...]and (iv) comply with the EULA.
This is a contract. The moment you've breached the contract (by not purchasing a license and therefore not complying with the EULA) you're on the wrong side of the law. What you've stolen from the IP holder(s) is the money s/he/they would have made if you had respected the law.
And as I've said somewhere in this thread, you cannot, under any condition, steal something from someone they did not have; you cannot steal "Potential" anything.
Claiming someone steals potential profit, would be like a loser of the lottery claiming the winners stole his potential winnings.
No it isn't, you are stealing the profits / income of the producer by refusing to pay for what they provide (when it is not provided for free). The lottery is a false example as you enter it knowing you have (at best) poor odds of winning and you accept those conditions by choosing to take part in it anyway. No such condition exists when a producer creates something to be sold.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.01 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho No it isn't, you are stealing the profits / income of the producer by refusing to pay for what they provide (when it is not provided for free). The lottery is a false example as you enter it knowing you have (at best) poor odds of winning and you accept those conditions by choosing to take part in it anyway. No such condition exists when a producer creates something to be sold.
I'm sorry, what? So you mean to say that there is no risk to a company that their product might be a flop? Companies are right in the mentality that if they grind out product after product, without putting thought into it, they will all create a profit? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.12.01 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 01/12/2010 18:27:10
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Wild Rho No it isn't, you are stealing the profits / income of the producer by refusing to pay for what they provide (when it is not provided for free). The lottery is a false example as you enter it knowing you have (at best) poor odds of winning and you accept those conditions by choosing to take part in it anyway. No such condition exists when a producer creates something to be sold.
I'm sorry, what? So you mean to say that there is no risk to a company that their product might be a flop? Companies are right in the mentality that if they grind out product after product, without putting thought into it, they will all create a profit?
The risk that their product might be a flop and not sell is not the same risk that their product is sound but people pirate it and thus they make no profit from it. The question of quality of the product/reward does not exist in the lottery example.
If a company produces something that doesn't sell due to poor quality that is the fault of the company for not providing something people want, if someone decides to pirate it that means the producer created something that was of sufficient quality and the fault lies with the pirate who feels they are entitled to it for free instead of paying the producer.
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2010.12.01 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho [...] if someone decides to pirate it that means the producer created something that was of sufficient quality [...]
No, it means the advertising was sufficient to provoke interest.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.12.01 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 01/12/2010 20:32:36
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Originally by: Wild Rho [...] if someone decides to pirate it that means the producer created something that was of sufficient quality [...]
No, it means the advertising was sufficient to provoke interest.
Doesn't matter, either by quality or advertising there is a demand created for the item. Saying you don't like the quality of something still doesn't suddenly make it alright to take it without paying for it, especially these days when it's far easier to research what you're buying or find trials, previews etc.
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Tora Nevaal
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Posted - 2010.12.01 21:10:00 -
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What never ceases to amaze me is just how small of a percentage of people actually know anything about bittorent in the first place. The RIAA, MPAA etc make it out as if everyone between the age of 13 to 35 is illegally downloading and costing billions of dollars in profit. Where are they getting these numbers from??? Outside of us geeks, no one knows what the hell bittorent is. Most people I know are still using freekin' Limewire! Whenever I tell them about torrents, it's like this life altering revelation to them.
These organizations that are out to stop the so called pirates are lucky that these sites haven't learned to market themselves better. How much would the RIAA pay not to have Demonoid or Piratebay release ONE commercial durring the Superbowl or World cup, showing the rest of the masses how to get whatever digital media they want for free?
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2010.12.01 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Saying you don't like the quality of something still doesn't suddenly make it alright to take it without paying for it, especially these days when it's far easier to research what you're buying or find trials, previews etc.
Trials/Previews/Reviews tend to be biased towards the highest bidder.
You're not taking, you're copying. Providing the same thing for free to everybody obviously hurts the owner's profit but I would argue that more than 90% of the downloaders would not buy the relevant item anyways. The "FREE" label has a huge effect on humans, there's a bigger difference between 0 and 1 than 1 and 10.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.12.02 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Trials/Previews/Reviews tend to be biased towards the highest bidder.
Not really. Some are certainly biased - especially on the more popular game sites, however there are plenty of non biased review sites out there and there's word of mouth which is much easier to find these days (forums, video sites etc).
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
You're not taking, you're copying. Providing the same thing for free to everybody obviously hurts the owner's profit
It doesn't matter whether its called taking or copying, the end result is the same as you acknowledged.
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
but I would argue that more than 90% of the downloaders would not buy the relevant item anyways. The "FREE" label has a huge effect on humans, there's a bigger difference between 0 and 1 than 1 and 10.
The problem is you've just made that statistic up and I'd argue otherwise. Like alot of the reasons already given, saying you probably wouldn't have bought it anyway still doesn't justify pirating it.
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