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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.11.28 12:42:00 -
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It's about time the drone AI gets an update isn't it. Perhaps for next years expansion if we're good podpilots ;)
Lets consolidate ideas and propositions. Personally I came up with the following list that should fix all drone issues everyone's having. It also allows for a bit less micromanaging in hot situations while still maintaining full control if desired.
Proposed improvements to drone behaviour. For all intends and purposes I will call the owner of the drones the 'mothership', please do not confuse with an actual mothership.
Drone and Fighter Stances:
- - Aggressive: Drones will automatically engage anyone that is or was in hostile contact with the mothership. This includes targets you previously fired upon.
- - Defensive: Drones will only engage targets that are engaging the mothership or the drones. Drones will not attack hostiles/structures that had previously been attacked but are not engaging the mothership or drones.
- - Passive: Drones will only act when a command is given.
Sentry drones:
- - Sentry drones now have the ability to mwd back to the mothership when command to return to drone bay is given. This can not be interrupted once command is given. Sentry drones can not fire while they are returning.
Fighters:
- - Delegate control: No change, however the drone stances of the delegating pilot will prioritise over the mothership.
Global Drone and Fighters Behaviour & commands:
- - Commands given to drones are absolute. This rule overrides every other rule. (aka, drones now follow commands given)
- - Focus fire: Drones will engage the same target. If due to timing issues drones engage different targets, they will consolidate and engage the target with the most drones on it.
- - Assist: Drones and fighters will engage the target the assisted pilot is engaging.
- - Protect: Drones and fighters will engage any target that is engaging the assisted pilot.
- - Assist fleet: Drones and fighters will engage targets of the fleet on the grid. (based on closest target)
- - Protect fleet: Drones and fighters will engage any targets that the fleet is engaged with on the grid. (based on closest target)
- - Reconnect: The mothership sends out a signal in all directions reconnecting to any lost drone on the grid that originally belonged to the mothership and signalling an automatic Return to Bay command. Grid wide effect.
Repair Drones
- - Ability to repair mothership.
Repair drone Stances:
- - Triage mode: Will repair targeted ship and it's drones. Targeted ship is primary if damaged, if not the repair drones will look and repair damaged drones of the targeted ship. Upon completion drones return to the mothership and orbit.
- - Cover mode: Drones will engage and remain on targeted ship and continue endless repairs. Drones will not switch or return unless command is given or target is dead, hehe.
Lets poke an example with the repair drone triage mode: (I have a feeling combinations would be asked.) Flight of Armor Repairing drones if given the Triage stance, and is told to Protect fleet. (Assist fleet is not there for repair drones). The RR drones will attempt to repair any ships that have armour damage, and if done, they will look for friendly drones with armour damage, and when done they will return to the mothership. ------
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Stephince
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Posted - 2010.11.28 13:19:00 -
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Really like the look of these. About time we had some drone love :)
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Jahpahjay
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Posted - 2010.11.28 16:13:00 -
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I've been waiting for similar proposals to happen for so long I've just about given up hope. I REALLY hope these can be implemented, and soon at that.
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AlphaOmega12
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Posted - 2010.11.28 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: AlphaOmega12 on 28/11/2010 18:28:09 Love the ideas and itĘs definitely about time the drones got some love.
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Lord's Servant
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2010.11.28 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lord''s Servant on 28/11/2010 18:35:55 Cursed Alliance alt detected.....these changes would make blobs of RR domi's the best/ONLY way to run a fleet...not to mention ONE person with 50 accounts could run a fleet fight.
Step 1 - Launch sentries/assign to fleet primary
Step 2 - Have one domi fit a lazor.
Step 3 - Shoot primary
Step 4 - ?????????????????????????????
Step 5 - Instant Fleet ****age/Perfectly coordinated alphas/fleets.
Step 6 - PROFIT
I support it, but drones would have to be looked at, cause this would be a bit OP with the current system :)
Ofc we'd see a rise in smartbombing BS fleets specifically to counter these sorts of fleets...but that would give a better role to smartbombs..hmm.
-Lords
EDIT - Oh and did I mention that the domi is both cheap, and t1? If this happens I can SOOO see me getting a ton of domi alts for perfectly coordinated suicide gankage -Lord's Servant |
Thyme Waster
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Posted - 2010.11.29 01:48:00 -
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.11.29 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lord's Servant ...these changes would make blobs of RR domi's the best/ONLY way to run a fleet.. ą
Step 1 - Launch sentries/assign to fleet primary
Step 2 - Have one domi fit a lazor.
Step 3 - Shoot primary
Step 4 - ?????????????????????????????
Step 5 - Instant Fleet ****age/Perfectly coordinated alphas/fleets.
Step 6 - PROFIT
Since it is currently possible to do exactly what you're doing, but we currently do not see alliances profligate in their deployment of RR sentry domi fleets, one would have to assume that there is some reason we do not see fleets of RR sentry domis.
The only issue I can see would be retrieving sentry drones, so perhaps adding the ability for sentry drones to MWD back to the 'mothership' would cause this rr sentry domi proliferation to become the case.
At least that would be a change from the current fascination with drake fleets :)
As a drone user myself, I could not agree more with this proposal, warts and all! -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Seamus Donohue
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Posted - 2010.11.29 22:29:00 -
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Supported on all counts. __________________________________________________ Survivor of Teskanen, fan of John Rourke. |
Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.11.29 23:05:00 -
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2010.11.30 10:27:00 -
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Drones really need some love. +1
But be careful with your wishes. With intelligent drones you can afk do a lot, it will be similar to afk makro mining. And i dont want that.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.11.30 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lord's Servant Ofc we'd see a rise in smartbombing BS fleets specifically to counter these sorts of fleets...but that would give a better role to smartbombs..hmm.
I think we already are seeing those fleets on the rise in response to drake army fleets.
A sentry blob controlled by one person is beyond OP. There is no defense against such a thing. The only warning you (might) get is one ship locking you before you instantly die. RR domi blobs are hard enough to kill as it is.
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FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.30 22:00:00 -
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All drones should follow you in warp. |
Egilmonsc
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.01 03:30:00 -
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Supported~ --- Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see. |
Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.03 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Lord's Servant Ofc we'd see a rise in smartbombing BS fleets specifically to counter these sorts of fleets...but that would give a better role to smartbombs..hmm.
I think we already are seeing those fleets on the rise in response to drake army fleets.
A sentry blob controlled by one person is beyond OP. There is no defense against such a thing. The only warning you (might) get is one ship locking you before you instantly die. RR domi blobs are hard enough to kill as it is.
It is indeed already possible to do this. I would say, it's easily countered by a smart bomb team though. Or just going very close range on the sentry fleet.
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Ellistra
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Posted - 2010.12.05 18:53:00 -
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supported
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Corina Jarr
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:23:00 -
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I must say, the current drones are kinda dumb. How they manage to evolve into the intelligent rouge drones is beyond me.
Oh... support, yeah.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.12.06 03:53:00 -
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I wouldn't mind seeing the ability to delegate drones, so that for example a Dominix pilot could delegate their T2 light drones to the other pilots in the fleet who would otherwise be fielding lower quality drones.
The Dominix has the drone bandwidth to field five flights of light drones, which would make life interesting for folks running L4 missions in assault ships being backed up by a Dominix.
The ability for sentry drones to MWD even if only to return to the drone boat would be much appreciated, especially combined with the ability to reconnect with disconnected drones aver a crash-to-desktop. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
klyeme
The Mind's Eye Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.06 04:43:00 -
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I also want to be able to make a list of things that the drones can attack. It would be something like an overview tab but it would be in the drone settings box that would be customizable for every different drone type (small, medium, heavy, and sentry). This way you can program your light drones to start killing frigates, then go to cruisers, then battlecruisers, and finally battleships. There would also be a "no priority" setting where your drones will attack how they do now.
Also you should be able to assign priorities to currently locked targets that your drones will attack. A setting on a target of 1 will make the target the next one to get drone aggro (after the current target is destroyed). Unlocking the target, or getting jammed will make your drone priorities reset.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.06 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Corina Jarr I must say, the current drones are kinda dumb. How they manage to evolve into the intelligent rouge drones is beyond me.
Oh... support, yeah.
Honestly, when they used to bug out and start shooting gang mates, the whole "going rogue" thing made more sense than it does today. I agree with pretty much everything suggested except the idea that a massive wave of drones could be controlled by one player.
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Blastfizzle
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.24 12:45:00 -
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I don't see a reason why not to do so, therefore I support. _______________________________________ I believe I can be considered one of the MOST EPIC people of ALL TIMES! |
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Samican Nutikor
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Posted - 2010.12.26 12:24:00 -
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Supported except the assist command - it would trivialize drone usage for botters and boxers.
Add some drone controll buttons in the HUD (mentionned in a thread, too) and I'll be pretty happy!
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HyperZerg
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:33:00 -
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Train Tracks
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:43:00 -
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supported!
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Ji'kahr
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.12.28 02:13:00 -
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Supported.
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Jahpahjay
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ji'kahr Supported.
Then please check the box that says "Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on." It's in the window where you write comments.
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.12.28 05:28:00 -
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Everything seems to be in order. I've often wanted to be able to order my drones to protect or orbit somebody else.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.12.28 16:23:00 -
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Supporting some love for drones. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Fyrar Maan
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Posted - 2010.12.28 17:55:00 -
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I support this; as I think improved drone control ability would allow players to deal with other drones and fighters more effectively.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.28 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Corina Jarr I must say, the current drones are kinda dumb. How they manage to evolve into the intelligent rouge drones is beyond me.
Oh... support, yeah.
Honestly, when they used to bug out and start shooting gang mates, the whole "going rogue" thing made more sense than it does today. I agree with pretty much everything suggested except the idea that a massive wave of drones could be controlled by one player.
Anything to make those dumbasses more intelligent, And as many modes as possible, overview-like- yes, custom setting-yes, select target without actually having to target anything (falcon pilots?). Attack anything with low standings?
Note that this involves no improvement to the drones themselves, no extra dps or tank
Please new drone UI and shortcuts. WHEre is "Launch group XXX and set mode XXX"? WHere is "launch all drones and attack the target"?
and what about a few more drone upgrades to spice up the experience and a couple extra drone implants?
Officer drones?
I can already control 2 drones with a single ship by telling all drones to assist my main.
Supporting all drones and hybrids improvements since 2007.
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Maeve Trinity
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.15 03:21:00 -
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Supported
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