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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
275
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:04:00 -
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lol my last 'console' was the Atari 5200... think I'll wait for the PC version but still may be fun to rain fire down on the DustBunnies in the meantime =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1120
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:05:00 -
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So I log in today and see I have a free Dust beta key coming my way as a paying Eve Online customer, then I was like because I don't have a PS3 and never will. . |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1680
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:23:00 -
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There's much argument to be had, but it is undeniable that the Console gamer demographic is "short attention span theater".
The only thing that will save DUST from the dustbin of trends and "new things" is a following for the game, such as the space side of EvE has now.
Will this happen? Who knows. There might be a dedicated group of existing EvE players who prefer to pound ground when the fleet is taking too long to form up, or the corpmates are all offline. Those who already have the right console at present, but otherwise in these tight times, getting a console just to play DUST is a rather hard justification to make for the expense.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:33:00 -
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Quote:I think having Dust only on the PS3 is a mistake. Simply because diversifying your target customer base would make more sense.
Because adding the player base of consoles to the PC platform in a truly unique concept is not diversifying.
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Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
42
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:40:00 -
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Well, isn't this amusement at a high level?
A crusader who thinks he can decide what a business may or may not spend/invest in simply cause he's a customer of one of it's products. |
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
45
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:42:00 -
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Jaison Savrin wrote:I think having Dust only on the PS3 is a mistake. Simply because diversifying your target customer base would make more sense.
I do not have a problem with it not being on PC.
I will be buying a PS3 in the spring anyway so idc. I just think it is a bad decision to put it only on PS3.
If Eve players can treat Dust players like they treat each other that will be not good. Most FPS players (in my personal non-scientific experience without empirical evidence) have no problem being griefed in ways that involve being shot. They get over it and forget it once the patch that fixes the exploit (if there was one) goes live. However, I do not think they will be at all ok with being scammed out of their money or equipment.
Dust will be fine, probably. CCP seems to have a pretty good handle on the whole running a game thing or so it seems to me. DON'T PANIC!
Then complain to microsoft.. it wa snot CCP choice it not be on XBOX, was Microsoft's.... |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
134
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:44:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit.
and when they play it and don't stick around for long, you'll be foaming out of the mouth for it to be on PC, so you can play with your EVE friends.
My whole problem with this going to console is simply that this is a CCP/EVE product. In my opinion, it SHOULD have been a WIS expansion for EVE. WIS loses....again
Well it is FREE isn't it? Our expansions are free too and we do already buy stuff in EVE for real life currency. In my feedback to CCP, I told them that pushing this to console, to be the 1st company to ever have cross-platform functionality, seemed to be an egotistical move. "We want to make gaming history". This was not about EVE or EVE players. It was about an agenda to make gaming history. Even at the cost of a sub-par product on a golden idea.
Well, you could have made gaming history by releasing seamless transition from FIS-WIS-***/FPS (that's walking on planets / first person shooter). The world of possibilities that you could have opened, you CLOSED. The vision you portrayed for EVE has been segmented to a different product all together. There's no reason that PC FPS cannot be the platform for combat, out of pod, in ever future instance, in EVE. The only reason is your ego, and maybe not yours, but a certain someone within your group, somewhere above the person that may, or may not, be reading this post.
I've said this so many times in other threads in the past. I really do hope that among all those posts, that CCP did hear this. BF3, on PC, is awesome and huge. The graphics are great, the maps are huge, and the player counts much larger. CCP should be striving to mimic this in a PC environment. Learn the lesson that DICE learned. To have larger number of players on console, you have to sacrifice graphics. This may not be the case for DUST if you have found a way around that.
In EVE, I should be able to be flying in space. Find a bounty, use locator agent, dock in station, leave ship, load captains quarters, walk to station lobby, walk to, oh wait, there's my target. I'll creep up on him and knife him to collect my *x amount of isk* for the bounty on his head. Walk to staging room OR dock with customs office walk to staging room for planet X, choose a match. Take shuttle to planet, bat phone buddies in destroyers or other ships for planetary support, create ship class for atmospheric flight, have dogfights in air, attack targets on ground....ETC. You catch my drift.
Anyways, this was the "vision" that I received from you CCP, something that at one time, your company aimed for. But then, some dimwit came along and said "this would be easier" and take less project capital and we can reach out to a new audience. You ALREADY have loyal customers. You could have gained more with creating the most epic and most impressive huge sci-fi universe of all time. FPS could have been the combat platform for all out of pod experiences inside EVE. and to me, a sci-fi fan and gaming fanatic (i do own a PS3), to ME, in my opinion, you FAILED to deliver on that vision. It is not too late...... |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
439
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:46:00 -
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I bought a Sony TV. How dare them use my Sony-TV sourced dollars to create gaming consoles like PS3! WTF? They should use that money to make better TVs.
I bought a Hyundai Accent... how dare them use my Hyundai Accent Sourced dollars to design a 4x4... they should be designing better sub-compacts!
I bought toilet paper... how dare them use my toilet paper sourced dollars to make napkins! They should be creating stronger/softer toilet paper.
LOL... only on EVE-O Forums.... "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
0
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:47:00 -
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Seishi Maru wrote:
Then complain to microsoft.. it wa snot CCP choice it not be on XBOX, was Microsoft's....
Think it more has to do with the fact that its not ported to PC that has most angry not Xbox. Which is understandable since it removes many of CCPs long term base that supported them for so long only to turn their back on them. CCPs plan to branch into a broader player base while neglecting their current isn't the smartest move.
Edit: Didn't read the post you responded to so your point is valid my bad. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United Asgard Supplies and Logistics
68
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:48:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Well, isn't this amusement at a high level?
This, together with your avatar, is <333333 I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2335
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:49:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:There's much argument to be had, but it is undeniable that the Console gamer demographic is "short attention span theater".
The only thing that will save DUST from the dustbin of trends and "new things" is a following for the game, such as the space side of EvE has now.
Will this happen? Who knows. There might be a dedicated group of existing EvE players who prefer to pound ground when the fleet is taking too long to form up, or the corpmates are all offline. Those who already have the right console at present, but otherwise in these tight times, getting a console just to play DUST is a rather hard justification to make for the expense.
Herzog my friend, if I were forced to eat a steady diet of pickles, never offered anything other than pickles, and out of necessity I went ahead and voluntarily ate them to survive... I would be, by your definition, a pickle fanatic and prefer them over all other options.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
163
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:51:00 -
[132] - Quote
I'm sure Dust123 will be available on PC in ~ spring 2014.
However there might be one serious obstacle: shift from laptops and desktops to tablets. I don't see any worthy (read: MMO) games coming out during next couple of years so I've started to think my present gaming station might be my last non-tablet computer (which I'll probably dump ~ 2014). |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2335
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:55:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Well, isn't this amusement at a high level?
A crusader who thinks he can decide what a business may or may not spend/invest in simply cause he's a customer of one of it's products.
Didn't you know?
Your $15 a month automatically makes you and expert in game design, gaming industry demographics, and business investment counciling.
It apparenly also allows you to make broad projections based on either no data or data that contradicts the point you are trying to make, pretend you have studied the issue more extensively than the folks planning this project for the last several years, and pretend you have any sort of experience in the related fields what so ever.
It is truly amazing what $15 and "hey, I played a console game once" qualify you to do now. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
134
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:58:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Whut the...? 15 bucks a month makes somebody think they have an opinion on how a company runs its business? Gawd, I feel sorry for CCP forum mods, having to read stuff like this and keep their mouths shut.
try $15/month spread across 5 accounts over 6 years, +$400-600 spent on PLEX (can't remember how much exactly at this point). So yea, if CCP is going to run surveys and ask me my opinion, + the amount of RL money I have spent on this company over the years + the amount of money spent upgrading to a decent PC that can keep up with the future of technology for the next 5 years. YAH, I think that I do have a right to an opinion on how they run their business. At this point, I'm no longer a scrub 1 sub 6 month player. I consider myself a MuthaFuggin investor
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
134
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:01:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:Well, isn't this amusement at a high level?
A crusader who thinks he can decide what a business may or may not spend/invest in simply cause he's a customer of one of it's products. Didn't you know? Your $15 a month automatically makes you and expert in game design, gaming industry demographics, and business investment counciling. It apparenly also allows you to make broad projections based on either no data or data that contradicts the point you are trying to make, pretend you have studied the issue more extensively than the folks planning this project for the last several years, and pretend you have any sort of experience in the related fields what so ever. It is truly amazing what $15 and "hey, I played a console game once" qualify you to do now.
Didn't you know, that this is why WIS has been on slow development because players got all up in arms about DUST and WOD and INCARNA failing to deliver?! where the hell have you 2 been for the past year? didn't you know that players can sway the development plans of this company by voting with their dollars?! you 2 must be new around here
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2335
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:02:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Whut the...? 15 bucks a month makes somebody think they have an opinion on how a company runs its business? Gawd, I feel sorry for CCP forum mods, having to read stuff like this and keep their mouths shut. try $15/month spread across 5 accounts over 6 years, +$400-600 spent on PLEX (can't remember how much exactly at this point). So yea, if CCP is going to run surveys and ask me my opinion, + the amount of RL money I have spent on this company over the years + the amount of money spent upgrading to a decent PC that can keep up with the future of technology for the next 5 years. YAH, I think that I do have a right to an opinion on how they run their business. At this point, I'm no longer a scrub 1 sub 6 month player. I consider myself a MuthaFuggin investor
You have a perfect right to express your opinion, just like the person that started yesterday... just as long as your realize that the money you have spent doesn't lend any weight or validity to your opinion what so ever. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
0
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:04:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:Well, isn't this amusement at a high level?
A crusader who thinks he can decide what a business may or may not spend/invest in simply cause he's a customer of one of it's products. Didn't you know? Your $15 a month automatically makes you and expert in gaming design, gaming industry demographics, and business investment counciling. It apparenly also allows you to make broad projections based on either no data or data that contradicts the point you are trying to make, pretend you have studied the issue more extensively than the folks planning this project for the last several years, and pretend you have any sort of experience in the related fields what so ever. It is truly amazing what $15 and "hey, I played a console game once" qualify you to do now.
Its CCP do you honestly think they do much research and planning long term wise. If they did they wouldn't have ran into the issue they did earlier with trying to develop 2 separate MMOs while maintaining another on only one income source. Which btw the fallout was seen by many in the player base long before it happened. Shocking that some players MIGHT actually know somethings about finances, gaming, and business. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
448
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:04:00 -
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Oh there go idiots assuming they know something about me in real life again so they can say what i do and do not know. please continue to embarrass yourselves with your stupid assumptions.
Syler Puuntai wrote: Shocking that some players MIGHT actually know somethings about finances, gaming, and business.
INCONCEIVABLE! :P If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2335
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:05:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:Well, isn't this amusement at a high level?
A crusader who thinks he can decide what a business may or may not spend/invest in simply cause he's a customer of one of it's products. Didn't you know? Your $15 a month automatically makes you and expert in game design, gaming industry demographics, and business investment counciling. It apparenly also allows you to make broad projections based on either no data or data that contradicts the point you are trying to make, pretend you have studied the issue more extensively than the folks planning this project for the last several years, and pretend you have any sort of experience in the related fields what so ever. It is truly amazing what $15 and "hey, I played a console game once" qualify you to do now. Didn't you know, that this is why WIS has been on slow development because players got all up in arms about DUST and WOD and INCARNA failing to deliver?! where the hell have you 2 been for the past year? didn't you know that players can sway the development plans of this company by voting with their dollars?! you 2 must be new around here
I applaud your attempt to make those past events support your argument concerning DUST. Unfortunately too many of us know exactly what was up for it to be very successful. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
439
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:07:00 -
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I've bought holly ranchers all my life because I love hard candy. Now they used my holly rancer sourced dollars to make chewy holly ranchers? WTF? We must protest! "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:08:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Whut the...? 15 bucks a month makes somebody think they have an opinion on how a company runs its business? Gawd, I feel sorry for CCP forum mods, having to read stuff like this and keep their mouths shut. try $15/month spread across 5 accounts over 6 years, +$400-600 spent on PLEX (can't remember how much exactly at this point). So yea, if CCP is going to run surveys and ask me my opinion, + the amount of RL money I have spent on this company over the years + the amount of money spent upgrading to a decent PC that can keep up with the future of technology for the next 5 years. YAH, I think that I do have a right to an opinion on how they run their business. At this point, I'm no longer a scrub 1 sub 6 month player. I consider myself a MuthaFuggin investor You have a perfect right to express your opinion, just like the person that started yesterday... just as long as your realize that the money you have spent doesn't lend any weight or validity to your opinion what so ever.
As I pay for two accounts by annual subscription, I firmly believe that CCP should not make any decisions without getting my input first.
My ability to spend my money as I see fit obviously entitles me to tell CCP how they should spend their money. You want fries with that? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2335
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:09:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Oh there go idiots assuming they know something about me in real life again so they can say what i do and do not know. please continue to embarrass yourselves with your stupid assumptions. Syler Puuntai wrote: Shocking that some players MIGHT actually know somethings about finances, gaming, and business. INCONCEIVABLE! :P
It's a pretty easy assumption to make based on the half baked conclusions you have made in your posts. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
449
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:12:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:It's a pretty easy assumption to make based on the half baked conclusions you have made in your posts.
yeah.. because the observed player retention patterns of past console FPS games, and the observed % of players who actually spend in a cash store are "half baked conclusions".
i certainly don't know everything about the gaming world, which is why i hope i am wrong and they have a good reason to think they'll buck the trend.
but if you absolutely have no ******* idea what you're talking about. shut up, adults are talking. If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2335
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:52:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:It's a pretty easy assumption to make based on the half baked conclusions you have made in your posts. yeah.. because the observed player retention patterns of past console FPS games, and the observed % of players who actually spend in a cash store are "half baked conclusions". i certainly don't know everything about the gaming world, which is why i hope i am wrong and they have a good reason to think they'll buck the trend. but if you absolutely have no ******* idea what you're talking about. shut up, adults are talking.
You should already realize why "observed player retention" metrics of your typical FPS game has little or no bearing on the target audience for DUST, the underlying architecture and design principals are radically different from the titles you are (supposedly) drawing your assumptions from.
There is a huge amount of information becoming available for DUST and it's design model, with analysis being done by a number of noteworthy entities in the gaming industry... many of whom are coming up with similar prototypes that we will llikely see released over the next couple of years.
Is this something of a gamble?
Yes, radical advances in an established industry are always a gamble.
Are the odds for success good?
Considering the gameplay available in the Beta, DUSTS persistent nature, free to play with frequent free downloadable updates, and the huge groundswell of excitement and interest among the leaders of the gaming industry... I'd say the odds are better than average. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
326
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:03:00 -
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Denidil wrote:So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust. A free to play shooter with a cash store that you hope will pay for itself and become a meaningful part of the EvE Universe. This is a laudable goal - creating a more complete game ecosystem. Fleet (EvE) does the flying and MI (Dust) does the dying and all that. It even sounds like fun. If it were a done right I wouldn't even begrudge you using our subscription dollars from EvE to do it - if it would eventually pay for itself. If it did eventually pay for itself EvE would get that money back, and that money would get spent improving EvE in the long run.
However you made a grave mistake in your demographics and market research and the conclusions you have drawn from it.
You went to consoles. You're trying to setup a game that is only long-term profitable via a cash store on the console platform. In the FPS Genre. Did you even read reports of how long console gamers stick to a single shooter? 3 months after you release Dust 514 you will have 90% less people playing it than on day 1.
There were only 64 million play stations shipped - let's assume an EXTREMELY GENEROUS 10% (6.4mil - note: the best selling PS3 game is Gran Turismo 5 at 7.43mil units) give Dust a try at launch. 90% attrition within three months you'll have 640k players. Sounds good right? waay more than eve, right? Wrong. Because they're not paying subscription fees. What percentage of them are going to buy things from the cash shop? How many much do you think you will bring in, per month, from Dust's cash shop.
How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE? How many subscriptions to EvE could you have gained instead had you invested that money into improving EvE and marketing it?
What are you going to do when a more likely less than 1million players even try Dust 514? What happens when your 90% attrition takes you down to 100k, what happens where a mere 10% of them spend money in the cash store EVER? Where is the Beef, CCP? What are you going to do to make Dust at least break even. When it INEVITABLY fails on the Console are you going to fast-port it to the PC and see if you can try to not completely loose your ass on it? On PC it might have a chance since PC FPS players have a longer attention span for a single game - they stick around longer if it is good. However even that might save it.
What happens to EvE and CCP if Dust fails? What happens to the subscription dollars that were diverted from iterating on EvE and were instead spent on dust? What awesome features did we miss out on because of Dust, and when will we see them?
CCP - you used your existing game to bankroll your new one. That in and of itself is not an issue, but when that game has a high chance of failcascading and said investment diverted from making our main game more awesome then you have some responsibility to the players of your main game.
Note: for comparison - Wii 96.56 million units shipped, Xbox 360 is 67.2 million units shipped
[edit] I dropped this post then didn't get a change to respond to the thread for a while. for the record I HOPE I AM WRONG and that Dust bucks the console FPS player count trends.
[edit2] Changed the title.. title was really more negative than i meant it to be.
Nice wall of stupid. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.
~I fly spaceships~ |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
450
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:03:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Denidil wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:It's a pretty easy assumption to make based on the half baked conclusions you have made in your posts. yeah.. because the observed player retention patterns of past console FPS games, and the observed % of players who actually spend in a cash store are "half baked conclusions". i certainly don't know everything about the gaming world, which is why i hope i am wrong and they have a good reason to think they'll buck the trend. but if you absolutely have no ******* idea what you're talking about. shut up, adults are talking. You should already realize why "observed player retention" metrics of your typical FPS game has little or no bearing on the target audience for DUST, the underlying architecture and design principals are radically different from the titles you are (supposedly) drawing your assumptions from. There is a huge amount of information becoming available for DUST and it's design model, with analysis being done by a number of noteworthy entities in the gaming industry... many of whom are coming up with similar prototypes that we will llikely see released over the next couple of years. Is this something of a gamble? Yes, radical advances in an established industry are always a gamble. Are the odds for success good? Considering the gameplay available in the Beta, DUSTS persistent nature, free to play with frequent free downloadable updates, and the huge groundswell of excitement and interest among the leaders of the gaming industry... I'd say the odds are better than average.
dust is more similar to all previous FPSes than it is different. asserting that previous FPS's player retention is irrelevant is simply bullshit.
and i have seen no huge outswell of enthusiasm from anyone but insiders. at the local game store nobody there had even heard of EvE or Dust - and i live in the greater seattle area! If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
326
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:05:00 -
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Belshazzar Babylon wrote:Why do you care what CCP does with their money? As long as they keep the servers on for EVE and continue to update it what difference does it make? Seriously this is like buying a Bigmac and then complaining that McDonalds is working on a new burger.
Most of the threads in General Discussion can be successfully countered with this direct line of thinking. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.
~I fly spaceships~ |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
439
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:07:00 -
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Denidil wrote:... at the local game store nobody there had even heard of EvE or Dust
Nobody? How do you know? Where you there? If you were there, and you *know* about EVE and DUST, then the word "nobody" is incorrect.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
439
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:08:00 -
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IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:Belshazzar Babylon wrote:Why do you care what CCP does with their money? As long as they keep the servers on for EVE and continue to update it what difference does it make? Seriously this is like buying a Bigmac and then complaining that McDonalds is working on a new burger. Most of the threads in General Discussion can be successfully countered with this direct line of thinking.
No they can't... just the Dust ones... and maybe the IPO ones.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
450
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:13:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Denidil wrote:... at the local game store nobody there had even heard of EvE or Dust Nobody? How do you know? Where you there? If you were there, and you *know* about EVE and DUST, then the word "nobody" is incorrect.
pedantic **** :P nobody but me. i brought them up. If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
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