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Kinta Huron
Exotic Matter
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Posted - 2010.12.02 19:59:00 -
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I just tried to fit myself a Cheatah using my usual fit and found out that I can't fit a codebreaker because I don't have enough grid? Futher more, I cant even fit one ECCM because of same issue. Is this just a bug (I hope) or some kind of CCP nerf? |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kinta Huron I just tried to fit myself a Cheatah using my usual fit and found out that I can't fit a codebreaker because I don't have enough grid? Futher more, I cant even fit one ECCM because of same issue. Is this just a bug (I hope) or some kind of CCP nerf?
I'd have to look when I get home, but I am pretty sure my cheetah still has an analyzer and a codebreaker in the mids (I may be wrong). --Vel
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:31:00 -
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Post your fit so we can actually see what the problem is?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Kinta Huron
Exotic Matter
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:41:00 -
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Cheetah: Can't Touch This
Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Co-Processor II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Codebreaker I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Expanded Probe Launcher I Empty
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
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EVEcitizen2119278
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:48:00 -
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Here's his fit.
Even my 1 M SP alt can fit this. Is there a chance you have accidently used the MWD catalysed cold arc jet? Check that you're using 16 PG (even without skills uses 16 PG).
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:51:00 -
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ok why do you need an ECCM again? If you are targeted you are dead anyway. ECCM isn't going to help you
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EVEcitizen2119278
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: EVEcitizen2119278 on 02/12/2010 20:55:45
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ok why do you need an ECCM again? If you are targeted you are dead anyway. ECCM isn't going to help you
Because a high sensor resolution and small signature radius in a wolf-rayet means you're unscannable and if you use grail set in normal space with enough ECCM you get the same effect. Sure you can cloak, but it's more annoying to max their possible scan strength at 80%. Also means they can't try and catch you between cloaking and decloaking. Did you learn something new today?
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.12.02 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ok why do you need an ECCM again? If you are targeted you are dead anyway. ECCM isn't going to help you
I believe fitting those will make him almost impossible to be scanned down with probes.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.02 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ok why do you need an ECCM again? If you are targeted you are dead anyway. ECCM isn't going to help you
I believe fitting those will make him almost impossible to be scanned down with probes.
Now I am going to have to check this out when I get home. I hate decloaking and recloaking just to drop probes. --Vel
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.02 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: EVEcitizen2119278
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ok why do you need an ECCM again? If you are targeted you are dead anyway. ECCM isn't going to help you
Because a high sensor resolution and small signature radius means you're unscannable. Sure you can cloak, but it's more annoying to max their possible scan strength at 80%. Also means they can't try and catch you between decloaking and recloaking. Did you learn something new today?
FYI: If your signature radius / Sensor resolution <= 1.14 then you're unscannable from a max skilled, probed and implanted character.
I thought it was: sensor strength / sig radius > 1.08 ..unprobable (same equation, different ratio though)
You can still be seen on d-scan and with some patience and luck (read: old-school exploration) you can be found. So don't use this as a method to go AFK.
If your ratio is just some small amount off you might consider/check: - X-Instinct Booster (the synth variant does give -2.25% to sig radius, no drawbacks, 900k/30min atmo) - check all mods for sig radius increase (inertia stabilizers, mwd, ..) - check if you can fly another ship with better stats and/or better fit (eccm mods can be in low/med) - ganglinks when in fleet (sensor integrity and evasive maneuvers) - halo implant set Public Idea Tracker | 24 Hour PLEX |
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.02 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ok why do you need an ECCM again? If you are targeted you are dead anyway. ECCM isn't going to help you
I believe fitting those will make him almost impossible to be scanned down with probes.
Now I am going to have to check this out when I get home. I hate decloaking and recloaking just to drop probes.
Just drop all 4 probes at once and then cloak. Then again im not a wh space resident anymore. oh imo, no one really cares about the probe ship, where they are going to get you is when you have to get a bigger ship to clear out any sort of combat site which will be probed down. Or if you are like some people i know, they sit in the sites cloaked waiting for people.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.12.02 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kinta Huron Cheetah: Can't Touch This
Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Co-Processor II <<--- Adds to CPU, Not PG
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Codebreaker I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Expanded Probe Launcher I Empty
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Cheetah, Cheetah] Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I Reactor Control II <<--- +10% Powergrid Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters ECCM - Ladar II Analyzer I Codebreaker I
Salvager I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Thats a scout I was playing around with, mods to your preference but it comes out to be 342/343.75 CPU and 21/21.56 PG with a MWD on (pulse as needed, shouldn't really need to the 2x ECCM which doesn't really slow down targeting when you are in a gate camp, only the time to find you while deploying probes from being scanned down which should only take about 10 seconds and you should already be aligned at that point and about to warp off)
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.02 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tres Farmer on 02/12/2010 21:51:56
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk ok why do you need an ECCM again? If you are targeted you are dead anyway. ECCM isn't going to help you
I believe fitting those will make him almost impossible to be scanned down with probes.
Now I am going to have to check this out when I get home. I hate decloaking and recloaking just to drop probes.
Just drop all 4 probes at once and then cloak. Then again im not a wh space resident anymore. oh imo, no one really cares about the probe ship, where they are going to get you is when you have to get a bigger ship to clear out any sort of combat site which will be probed down. Or if you are like some people i know, they sit in the sites cloaked waiting for people.
Then why have codebreaker on the scan-ship anyway?
The only ships that have enough dps while also being able to be fit unprobable are T3 with dissolution sequencer subsys (sensor strength boost per lvl of subsys skill) afaik. This means those make usable (read: can't be probed down) low sec mission running ships (nobody can scan down the deadspace pocket with the only potential probable thing in there being you).. just take care of target painting NPC Wouldn't use them for exploration though, as the sites can be scanned down by anyone. Public Idea Tracker | 24 Hour PLEX |
William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.02 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Kinta Huron
Co-Processor II <<--- Adds to CPU, Not PG
Reactor Control II <<--- +10% Powergrid
Micro Auxilary Power Core I <<--- Adds 10 raw powergrid, which is more than 10% powergrid on a frigate. -
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