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Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:35:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Bonds were issued for the money, how does this translate to going public? In a time where going public is more hassle than its worth in most cases at CCPs scale, im curious as to why? To support advertising only?
i dont think they should go public.
but they should also stop laundering their money.....
since they got rid of the ccp laundry outpost... |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
48
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Posted - 2012.08.10 15:51:00 -
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"We have no current plans to implement Micro-transactions as of this time"
Tick-Tock, Aurum.
"We have no current plans to nerf your Machariel. The size of the Machariel is iconic to it and one of it's defining characteristics that players identify with it."
Tick-Tock, 30%~ smaller.
Honeslty, CCP is very good at not having plans. It shows. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Ivory Kantenu
Sons of The Forge SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.10 15:53:00 -
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Start investing in tin foil companies , it's going to sell out fast by the looks of this thread. Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
438
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Posted - 2012.08.10 15:55:00 -
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I personally don't care how they run their company. If hellmar wants a new chair and wants to borrow a few mill for it, let it be. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
2084
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Posted - 2012.08.10 16:42:00 -
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Shares for PLEX! Just kidding
Moved from General Discussion.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
428
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Posted - 2012.08.10 16:53:00 -
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The time to raise money is when you don't need it. Then you're raising money from a position of strength. Anyone with experience in capital markets knows that the shorter the runway, the stiffer the terms.
It's likely CCP is just building a war chest. One thing that can be said about CCP, is that they are very ambitious creatively. Some of those ambitions don't pan out due to poor execution or planning, but they never stop thinking big. It is the one redeeming thing about enduring bad changes to the gaming experience. In most cases, you know they are trying to reach for something better.
Anyway, this is sort of a non-event. Companies do this sort of thing regularly. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
308
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:09:00 -
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I kinda like the idea of buying ccp. sad that I am not just space poor , but also real life poor :(
please don't go public Hillmar. big big mistake. |
PinkKnife
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:10:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:The time to raise money is when you don't need it. Then you're raising money from a position of strength. Anyone with experience in capital markets knows that the shorter the runway, the stiffer the terms.
It's likely CCP is just building a war chest. One thing that can be said about CCP, is that they are very ambitious creatively. Some of those ambitions don't pan out due to poor execution or planning, but they never stop thinking big. It is the one redeeming thing about enduring bad changes to the gaming experience. In most cases, you know they are trying to reach for something better.
Anyway, this is sort of a non-event. Companies do this sort of thing regularly. QFT
CCP has a wide variety of reasons to be borrowing cash. Especially at or near the launch of a huge new project, why use your own money when you can use someone elses. And usually for less.
Being based in Iceland they probably have a lot of different legalities involved in going public than in the US. In the event they DO an IPO, expect a large portion (majority share) to be withheld by the company or the CEO so that he remains in control. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
526
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:33:00 -
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It is highly likely they are finally looking into a real Disaster Recovery/Backup site for EVE. This is going to be highly capital intensive unless they attempt to partner with one of the large cloud vendors to keep it opex. I would have went with an opex model but maybe they like being in the hardware buying business. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Jett0
Surface Warfare Tribal Band
230
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Posted - 2012.08.10 23:46:00 -
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They could do the Google thing. Non-voting shares, and never split. "You want control of our direction? Then come work for us." Occasionally plays sober |
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Alain Kinsella
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Posted - 2012.08.11 15:42:00 -
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Aryth wrote:It is highly likely they are finally looking into a real Disaster Recovery/Backup site for EVE. This is going to be highly capital intensive unless they attempt to partner with one of the large cloud vendors to keep it opex. I would have went with an opex model but maybe they like being in the hardware buying business.
The DUST and Infrastructure presentations at FanFest already showed that they have DUST configured in a distributed setup for latency purposes. It would not be a stretch to have those sites each carry a few more servers that spread out a DR copy of Tranq, while giving each region some capacity to cache/proxy data (API, CREST) while not in DR mode. The main expense would be locating a site to keep a second copy of the database, and possibly setting up replication so they can keep it relatively up-to-date.
BTW, what do you mean by opex? Only thing that comes to mind is Op-Ex (Operational Expense, for those not familiar), but a search found something regarding an IBM grid paper (requiring a login ).
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As for an IPO, I will again state that it would be a bad idea for CCP, and for the same reasons I think Linden Lab should never IPO. One of the key things that drive a stock price today is 'good news' - and most articles about Eve are not. It's actually an interesting paradox - we have a company that actually thrives on 'bad' articles about it - but for the 'common' shareholder each news item will seem to act as a 'sell' signal. This could be mitigated somewhat by CCP spending more time with investors outside Iceland, explaining their model in better detail, so they (in turn) can calm down their clients when they come calling to sell.
Also, in current news, there is additional controversy and discussion within the markets themselves over its automation and related controls. A wonderful recent example would be the news about Knight Capital the last couple weeks (something that's a bit personal to me - used to have friends there), but the Facebook IPO and even the Flash Crash are good examples of this as well. Combined with a slow world economy, its causing a noticeable pullback in investment (again, something I happen to be watching with personal interest). Until this all settles out (I'd say 2015 at best), CCP needs to hold off on ideas for an IPO (at least in the US - which is what most people think about when doing an IPO right now).
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
319
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Posted - 2012.08.11 17:12:00 -
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Aryth wrote:It is highly likely they are finally looking into a real Disaster Recovery/Backup site for EVE. This is going to be highly capital intensive unless they attempt to partner with one of the large cloud vendors to keep it opex. I would have went with an opex model but maybe they like being in the hardware buying business.
Cloud in Iceland is cheap - Geothermal power savings ftw.
CCP need everyting on site, including backups - that's gazillions in sourcecode, dude.
GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
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Cede Forster
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2012.08.11 18:57:00 -
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IPO works great as long perception = reality.
Since computer games are usually either over hyped or continuously doomsayed that would be a bumpy ride.
The interesting thing would be to offset the decision making power of the stockholders by the CSM to ensure that neither side sucessfully manages to screw it up but i clearly see "epic fail" on the IPO horizon.
Also, back to topic |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
349
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:19:00 -
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Unfortunately, unlike most people, I never offer an opinion on issues I know nothing about, so no funny remarks to offquote me against me in the future, but for us, economics-impaired people, what does this all mean in lay terms?
Is Sony grabbing CCP control via Dust? Explain if you can ty! else Im off to eat apple pie. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
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