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Jita1st Sales
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Posted - 2010.12.03 23:32:00 -
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WoW Cataclysm comes out on the 7th and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on what this might do to the Eve markets.
I know we like to think that we are better then all those dragonslaying middle schoolers, but in reality there are many players who play both Eve and WoW.
Is Incursion enough to keep players from stopping their Eve subs and switching to WoW at least temporarily?
Who plays more WoW, carebears or PvPers? How will this efect the amount of minerals on the market or the amount of ships and PvP mods being sold?
How will this effect the GTCs and Plex sales?
I know it sounds a little g**, but a lot of us played WoW. How many will be lured away if only temporarily?
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.12.04 00:59:00 -
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at most, its a 2 week ordeal. assuming a lot of people play wow that play eve, they will play the new cat content then come back to eve.
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Strrog
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Posted - 2010.12.04 02:03:00 -
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Why would this affect EVE though its completely different gameplay experience... from my understtanding poeple in EVE despise WoW by now ( inluding me) for the grind, arena and gear score ( was 3 k gs tank and 3 k dps for ICC ).
Cataclysm produced mixed feelings withing the WoW community some hate it some love it, some even considerit as a WoW 2 becuase of the amount of changes and game mechanics updates in just one expansion. |
Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2010.12.04 02:06:00 -
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What the **** is WoW doing in here?
Originally by: Brock Nelson OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
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Strrog
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Posted - 2010.12.04 02:27:00 -
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lol Brock XD
I guess what the OP is curious about is that if there are poeple in here that will jump to Cata when it comes up and how it might affect EVE but I do nto think it is gona be a big deal not by a long shot.
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Kei Darker
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Posted - 2010.12.04 02:50:00 -
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Hopefully it will mean it's slightly easier to stay on top of the buy order list and sell lists while I'm Jita trading... but that's doubtful.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.12.04 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 04/12/2010 10:19:41
Originally by: Strrog Why would this affect EVE though its completely different gameplay experience... from my understtanding poeple in EVE despise WoW by now ( inluding me) for the grind, arena and gear score ( was 3 k gs tank and 3 k dps for ICC ).
because people only have a limited time budget.
During the last 10 days I have played WoW for 3d 16h, correspondingly I have played EVE for maybe 2-3h during that time.
edit: plus the grind in WoW only sets in once you have reached the level cap, it's not unreasonable that the ppl who despise grinding might nevertheless roll a worgen/goblin character to check out the new content.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.12.04 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 04/12/2010 15:26:29 Only effect it will have is alot of kids will leave eve and go back to where they rightly belong. The people that play both, will continue to play both. The Eve market will continue as normal totally unaffected at the los of a thousand or so mission runners.
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.04 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rip Minner on 04/12/2010 16:17:44 I dont play wow I play EQ2 but I would guess that people may not play there toons for a spell as they run though new content. But it normaly do's not effect EVE like other mmo's out there. i.e. Most players will keep paying for there EVE account becouse you can keep training even when your playing another game.
A buddy of mine from HZ Eagle Crys use to play HZ and train eve alot.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
The Internets
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Posted - 2010.12.05 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 04/12/2010 15:26:29 Only effect it will have is alot of kids will leave eve and go back to where they rightly belong. The people that play both, will continue to play both. The Eve market will continue as normal totally unaffected at the los of a thousand or so mission runners.
The average age of the EVE player is exactly the same as the average age of the WoW player, same goes for maturity and intelligence. Saying NO MY GAME IS BETTER is exactly what kids would do, which doesn't build a strong case for "EVE isn't for children".
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.12.05 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 04/12/2010 15:26:29 Only effect it will have is alot of kids will leave eve and go back to where they rightly belong. The people that play both, will continue to play both. The Eve market will continue as normal totally unaffected at the los of a thousand or so mission runners.
The average age of the EVE player is exactly the same as the average age of the WoW player, same goes for maturity and intelligence. Saying NO MY GAME IS BETTER is exactly what kids would do, which doesn't build a strong case for "EVE isn't for children".
hahaha One is a cartoon game where you collect different clothes and the other is quite complicated, Wow is a kids game which requires almost no thought and i can safely say most eve players are alot brighter than your average wow player. How many kids under the age of 12 do you see playing eve ? Oh and i never said one was better than the other either, leave us alone and get back to grinding boars
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Strrog
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Posted - 2010.12.05 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 04/12/2010 15:26:29 Only effect it will have is alot of kids will leave eve and go back to where they rightly belong. The people that play both, will continue to play both. The Eve market will continue as normal totally unaffected at the los of a thousand or so mission runners.
The average age of the EVE player is exactly the same as the average age of the WoW player, same goes for maturity and intelligence. Saying NO MY GAME IS BETTER is exactly what kids would do, which doesn't build a strong case for "EVE isn't for children".
Sorry bud I have to disagree with the age argument here, there is no way EVE is full of 12-14 year olds.
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Mr Dilkington
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Posted - 2010.12.05 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Strrog
Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 04/12/2010 15:26:29 Only effect it will have is alot of kids will leave eve and go back to where they rightly belong. The people that play both, will continue to play both. The Eve market will continue as normal totally unaffected at the los of a thousand or so mission runners.
The average age of the EVE player is exactly the same as the average age of the WoW player, same goes for maturity and intelligence. Saying NO MY GAME IS BETTER is exactly what kids would do, which doesn't build a strong case for "EVE isn't for children".
Sorry bud I have to disagree with the age argument here, there is no way EVE is full of 12-14 year olds.
+1 even children under the age of ten can get to grips with wow, and groups of 12 year olds complete end game content.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.12.05 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 05/12/2010 09:27:03
Originally by: Brian Ballsack One is a cartoon game where you collect different clothes and the other is quite complicated
EVE is not complicated, it's just big.
Apart from a few player-driven parts (corp/alliance management, some types of market speculation, ...) every game mechanic can easily be figured out by average joe.
There's just an awful lot of rules and some of them are not obvious to a new player (session change timers!, invulnerability timer on undock, ...) - but none of these rules are complex (maybe some - like sov timers - are a little complicated/involved but they are not intellectually challenging in any way).
The main advantage of WoW is that people who have played similar games (e.g. Diablo) will feel at home very fast - for EVE there are no similar mainstream games.
I doubt that a player with no experience with comparable games whatsoever would find one game much more challenging than the other.
(and saying EVE is much harsher than WoW is stupid IMO - put your new player on a pvp server with low population and large faction imbalance and he will essentially have the same experience as if you would throw him solo into NPC 0.0)
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Strrog
Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 04/12/2010 15:26:29 Only effect it will have is alot of kids will leave eve and go back to where they rightly belong. The people that play both, will continue to play both. The Eve market will continue as normal totally unaffected at the los of a thousand or so mission runners.
The average age of the EVE player is exactly the same as the average age of the WoW player, same goes for maturity and intelligence. Saying NO MY GAME IS BETTER is exactly what kids would do, which doesn't build a strong case for "EVE isn't for children".
Sorry bud I have to disagree with the age argument here, there is no way EVE is full of 12-14 year olds.
He said the AVERAGE age .. which is kinda funny you disagree, because everything I've read says the average age of EVE players is 27 and the average age of WOW players is 28 :) So if anything, EVE is full of more kids ;)
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Roguehalo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:48:00 -
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Go and read some elitestjerks.com threads and then come back and tell us how easy Wow is.
Eve and Wow are both great games and in their different ways both probably represent cutting edge online gaming.
People who decry one or the other out of some sense of inverted snobbery are just morons.
I'm gonna roll a worgen rogue btw
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Go and read some elitestjerks.com threads and then come back and tell us how easy Wow is.
Eve and Wow are both great games and in their different ways both probably represent cutting edge online gaming.
People who decry one or the other out of some sense of inverted snobbery are just morons.
I'm gonna roll a worgen rogue btw
Haha, theorycrafting is just basic math. Heck, trading is even more difficult than that!
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Roguehalo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Netheranthem
Originally by: Roguehalo Go and read some elitestjerks.com threads and then come back and tell us how easy Wow is.
Eve and Wow are both great games and in their different ways both probably represent cutting edge online gaming.
People who decry one or the other out of some sense of inverted snobbery are just morons.
I'm gonna roll a worgen rogue btw
Haha, theorycrafting is just basic math. Heck, trading is even more difficult than that!
U mad bro?
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Netheranthem on 05/12/2010 12:59:52
Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: Netheranthem
Originally by: Roguehalo Go and read some elitestjerks.com threads and then come back and tell us how easy Wow is.
Eve and Wow are both great games and in their different ways both probably represent cutting edge online gaming.
People who decry one or the other out of some sense of inverted snobbery are just morons.
I'm gonna roll a worgen rogue btw
Haha, theorycrafting is just basic math. Heck, trading is even more difficult than that!
U mad bro?
Nah, theorycrafting wasn't just complicated enough to keep me in WoW :D
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Roguehalo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
The main advantage of WoW is that people who have played similar games (e.g. Diablo) will feel at home very fast - for EVE there are no similar mainstream games.
The main advantage of WoW is that it only costs your monthly sub come what may.
Eve has long since degenerated into an Entropia Universe type game where you pay to play. It is ironic that the players who least drive the game forward(traders, industrialists and the like) play for free whereas the guys actually blowing each other up CAN and DO pay a heavy rl price.
Eve would rapidly grind to halt without stuff getting blown up which fact has driven recent expansions. Faction Warfare didn't work so we now have Incursion incoming bringing Death and Destruction to a system near you.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 05/12/2010 13:07:56
Originally by: Netheranthem
Haha, theorycrafting is just basic math. Heck, trading is even more difficult than that!
+1 It was basically a way for geeks to try and make simple gameplay mechanics into something more complicated. Maybe it was subconsiously trying and make them forget they are playing a kids cartoon.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 05/12/2010 13:07:56
Originally by: Netheranthem
Haha, theorycrafting is just basic math. Heck, trading is even more difficult than that!
+1 It was basically a way for geeks to try and make simple gameplay mechanics into something more complicated. Maybe it was subconsiously trying and make them forget they are playing a kids cartoon.
Setting up buy and sell orders is hard?
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Amsterdam Conversations
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Posted - 2010.12.05 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: The Internets
Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 04/12/2010 15:26:29 Only effect it will have is alot of kids will leave eve and go back to where they rightly belong. The people that play both, will continue to play both. The Eve market will continue as normal totally unaffected at the los of a thousand or so mission runners.
The average age of the EVE player is exactly the same as the average age of the WoW player, same goes for maturity and intelligence. Saying NO MY GAME IS BETTER is exactly what kids would do, which doesn't build a strong case for "EVE isn't for children".
hahaha One is a cartoon game where you collect different clothes and the other is quite complicated, Wow is a kids game which requires almost no thought and i can safely say most eve players are alot brighter than your average wow player. How many kids under the age of 12 do you see playing eve ? Oh and i never said one was better than the other either, leave us alone and get back to grinding boars
Considering the age difference, no, the average EVE player is not brighter than the average WoW player. You seem to forget that the average eve player might be 5-15 years older than the average WoW player.
I don't know about you, but I have seen dozens of adults in eve that act/are intelligent as 12 year olds (you're one of them), it's embarassing. You don't have to be intelligent to play eve. The intelligent people sit around on hundreds of billions of isk laughing at people ratting or farming missions and theorycrafting about stuff they have no clue about.
It's pretty simple, there's no entertainment in waiting for fleets to form up or trying to find targets to shoot for 3 hours straight, at least not for a 12 year old. EVE is a game for patient people, not for intelligent people.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 05/12/2010 15:42:50 Edited by: Raid''En on 05/12/2010 15:41:23
in wow there's for sure LOTS of childrens but there's also LOTS of guys more than 40 years old. (and even 60+) but that's not really the same peoples
for wow you see children playing after schools parents guarding children (wow works a lot for fathers doing it) Retired people playing because it's a cheap thing to "waste" time and all the "classic" people who will be the medium ages
i may be wrong, but i think on eve there's way less people young and old.
and that's because of that that people think eve playerbase is older ; they don't see much childrens so they think this way. but they forgot that there's also the "old" people missing. ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Master Flakattack
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Master Flakattack on 05/12/2010 19:33:09
Originally by: Brian Ballsack hahaha One is a cartoon game where you collect different clothes and the other is quite complicated, Wow is a kids game which requires almost no thought and i can safely say most eve players are alot brighter than your average wow player. How many kids under the age of 12 do you see playing eve ? Oh and i never said one was better than the other either, leave us alone and get back to grinding boars
I completely dislike WoW, but I think you are underestimating WoW and overestimating EVE Brian.
Say what you want about who plays what game, but the amount of immaturity shown in EVE is comparable to that of Call of Duty. Doing it "for the tears"? Are you serious? So many of the people playing this game think they're being cool and edgy, and unfortunately this game gives them the tools to be exactly as stupid as they want to be. Example: Hulkageddon... possibly the single most self-defeating game event I have ever seen. Also, station campers in the market systems; what navy/police force in its right mind would allow highly armed ships to simply sit there, scanning down every ship that leaves a primary market hub? That's bad for business.
BU7 ITZ H4RDC0R3 RITE!?!?!
Brian, considering the way you act, I wouldn't put you much past 12 years old.
On topic, I don't think EVE will be affected much by Cataclysm. There are many who play both and as for those who only play one or the other, well... we already know how they feel.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.12.05 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Master Flakattack
BU7 ITZ H4RDC0R3 RITE!?!?!
What ? get back to spamming that one button to get yourself some new big shoulder pads with the rest of the kiddies and simpletons.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2010.12.05 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
The main advantage of WoW is that it only costs your monthly sub come what may.
In other words, pay to play.
Quote: Eve has long since degenerated into an Entropia Universe type game where you pay to play. It is ironic that the players who least drive the game forward(traders, industrialists and the like) play for free whereas the guys actually blowing each other up CAN and DO pay a heavy rl price.
Eve would rapidly grind to halt without stuff getting blown up which fact has driven recent expansions. Faction Warfare didn't work so we now have Incursion incoming bringing Death and Destruction to a system near you.
Or those pvpers can grind a little bit to pay for what they personally lose. 0.0 ratting and anomalies are pretty high return on effort. The industrialists and traders play an important role in that they reduce the cost of the pvp.
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Jamie Jin
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.12.05 21:54:00 -
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Yeah, a lot of carebears play wow and eve. To them they are basically the same game. Collect things ect. kill this and that. They go for years thinking they know what eve is about. But if you quiz them even for a second you get hilarious results. I hope the wow expansion is great for these idiots and they stick with magical gobblin farie princesses so they can stop embarrassing themselves in threads like these. Its uncomfortable.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.12.05 22:39:00 -
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Eve Online forums. Where a guy called Brian Ballsack can call other people immature and childish with a straight face.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.12.06 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen Eve Online forums. Where a guy called Brian Ballsack can call other people immature and childish with a straight face.
Hahaha good call :)
I've never played WOW, but I have played EVE a lot and it's certainly not 'full of more mature people' .. there ARE mature people but there are also a lot of gits. I see no-one in the "WOW is for kids!" camp has addressed the point I made about WOWs demographic being 1 year older than EVE's .. .?? "full of kids" right?
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