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Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:15:00 -
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What are some additional features that the general EVE population in particular as opposed to just developers would like to see in a killboard that's been missing from those that you've been using? I've created a new one for fun that's up now here decloaked as a starting point. If you could, please provide some suggestions on how I could improve what I've built thus far - thanks! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:18:00 -
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KB's, lol |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:23:00 -
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Something that no killboard I've seen has is a very comprehensive search. For example, how would you find these things:
- I remember I killed pilot X in an epic fight, but I don't remember when it was, or what ships we were in.
- How many Rifters has this guy even lost?
- What kills has my corp gotten without my alliance's help?
- Where do we get the most kills?
- What is my most expensive kill? Loss?
- How many people have I killed in nullsec? (Or, more simply, how many people have I killed in Querious?)
- What kills have I gotten while flying a Rifter?
If the answer involves infinite scrolling or counting, it's the wrong one (and it's no better than EDK, eve-kill, or BC). If your killboard can offer easy info-searching like that, I would definitely use it. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:25:00 -
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The best KB is no KB at all. |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.10 18:59:00 -
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Hi Petrus - excellent suggestions - some can be answered already surprisingly. I'll mull over how to implement the others. Most can be answered on the stats page as it shows the data in a condensed graphical format over as long a time period as you want.
- First one - I don't know yet.
- Find the guy via search. Click on Stats and check out the pie charts, Click on the Frigates wedge in the Losses pie to see how many of each type of frigate the guy has lost.
- Nice idea with separating out corp kills vs alliance ones. I'll add that.
- Most expensive kill / loss I can add in directly. Right now these are discoverable by mousing over the highest peaks in the ISK area chart on the stats page.
- Something cool to add - kills / losses by security system status. By system just requires a way to enter the name in. I'll add something like this to the stats page.
- This is a cool filter to add to the kills listing - shouldn't be too hard.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:00:00 -
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Syler Puuntai wrote:The best KB is no KB at all.
Yes, because if I take a contract in the near future to destroy 1 billion in enemy ships before I get paid, I'd rather we all just take our best guess. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:01:00 -
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One thing that always surprised me on the killboards i've looked at is you can't just search by ship to see just those ships killed. Like if you want to look at every hulk killed to see if they had a tank, etc.
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Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:05:00 -
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Heh good point Rengerel - never occurred to me - not hard to add at all too. Will do - glad I asked you guys! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:06:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:Most can be answered on the stats page as it shows the data in a condensed graphical format over as long a time period as you want.
Holy crap, I missed that. That is awesome!
Be aware that that SVG magic you do breaks compatibility with people with IE8 and older, though. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:10:00 -
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Yeah I figured as much - there is this add-on for those on older IE browsers which solves that issue fortunately: Google Chrome Frame Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
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Elvis Fett
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.11 00:10:00 -
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Syler Puuntai wrote:The best KB is no KB at all.
Says the guy with zero kills... |
Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
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Posted - 2012.08.11 00:17:00 -
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Elvis Fett wrote:Syler Puuntai wrote:The best KB is no KB at all. Says the guy with zero kills...
Shocking I know. |
Shukuzen Kiraa
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.11 00:48:00 -
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Syler Puuntai wrote:The best KB is no KB at all.
This ^^ KB's are stupid. |
Janet Patton
Brony Express
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Posted - 2012.08.11 01:05:00 -
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Kibbles 'n Bits, Kibbles 'n Bits!. All dogs love Kibbles 'n Bits! AROOOOOOoooooo!!! Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke. |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.12 01:33:00 -
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Added the ability to do this:
- How many Rifters has this guy even lost?
You can specify a ship type when entering a search by name so that'll default to showing losses associated with the ship type requested for the given entity name, be it a pilot, corporation, alliance or system name.
I've also changed the API Verified image as some hated the original one. Now if I could just figure out what is up with the in-game browser and fonts. Seems like @fontface is a no go there and alternate fonts are being ignored so a crappy looking one ends up there - especially for the text on the upper right side. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:32:00 -
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Have a look at the stats page. Are there any other types of stats / charts that would be interesting to see? I'm working on adding the highest value ships lost and destroyed to the upper right and considering adding lists of the best and worst pilots when viewing corp stats and then for alliance stats adding in corps as well akin to what appears on the Home page for all.
What else could be informative? Position relative to others in point rankings? Looking for ideas. Here's a sample using my stats page.
http://www.decloaked.com/pilot/Khorkrak/stats Likewise that stats for my previous corp: http://www.decloaked.com/corp/war%20tribe/stats The names are case-insensitive although you may need to add the %20 url encoded value for the space character for some browsers.
As you can see the urls are "restful" - you can easily get to kills, losses, stats and so on via an intuitive path. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Immortals of New Eden Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:19:00 -
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I like the detailed info pages.
That's what killboards need to be for: statistical analysis, not e-peen stroking.
Would definitely use it.
Now you just need to get more people to use it so the 'best' and 'worst' sections are more accurate. |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:05:00 -
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Thanks for taking a look at it Cadfael. It's a hard sell to get more people to use it as EVE-Kill and battleclinic have lots of historical data which isn't conveniently available elsewhere. The former does provide an API which could be polled periodically but only 50 kills / half hour are permitted via the more reliable method. The latter site does not provide such an API nor welcomes anyone to pull their data.
The only attraction therefore would be speed, lack of advertisements and more informative statistical / reconnaissance data. So aside from just being yet another killboard this site aims to provide these enhancements. Something as simple as being able to see all past losses of a particular ship type for a given pilot, corporation or alliance is easy to do here. I'd like to add more such useful and distinguishing features.
It would be wonderful if CCP would provide some way to obtain all past kill history for a given entity - even limited to say doing so once a week per web site / developer key or something for a given set of entities. Maybe one day.
Anyway, I'll keep adding on features and enhancing what's there already - next up is wrestling with the IGB and fonts again as it looks the worst in that browser. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:07:00 -
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The GoonFleet killboard is an icon of excellent design and function. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:41:00 -
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being able to login to a killboard, like battleclinic but for private use. BC is the only one I know of like this.
The -FA- killboard has a lot of nice features. But its due to the killboard being on a private site, and is nothing more than a highly modified EDK board. Which is what most big alliances use. (even eve-kill.net im pretty sure)
Its such a pain to make a new one, that most people just get the EDK and then make their own mods or hard code new features into it.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:13:00 -
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API auto-feeding is a must. Also it forces people to include losses. Remember the days of killboards with only kills and about 10% of losses?
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highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:18:00 -
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James 315 wrote:API auto-feeding is a must. Also it forces people to include losses. Remember the days of killboards with only kills and about 10% of losses?
What killboard are you currently using that does not allow API updates?
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:23:00 -
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Yep - I've written a killmail parser and tested it quite a bit including with German and Russian keywords but haven't exposed a way to enter these in yet and don't feel a significant urge to do so right away as pulling from the API eliminates the fakes entirely.
Mostly now, I'm interested in improving the quality of the code and adding interesting features that would give users a better insight into how they, their corp or alliance are performing.
The source, installation instructions (sorry for the complexity but it's quite thorough at least) and how-to wiki pages for those that just want to use the backend portion sans the web part for analytical purposes is available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykb/ Works with most relational database backends although there are presently only sql scripts for PostgreSQL and MySQL so for say Microsoft SQL Server, you have to start with one of those and tweak it a bit. At least there's no SQL in the code to wrangle. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:50:00 -
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DAMMIT. Before finding your post I had actually started coding my own Python killboard since I got fed up with EDK, and I called it "pykb" as well. If I continue with it, I suppose I'll have to change the name.
Also, all that seems available for download is something called "prices.csv.gz". That doesn't sound like the killboard code. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:05:00 -
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Hah sorry man! Feel free to grab whatever code you want from here. It's not as obvious as to where to get the code on that site unfortunately.
http://sourceforge.net/p/pykb/code
I used sourceforge instead of github because I wanted to use Mercurial. I usually update the code nightly. Tonight it's refactoring the web app a bit to remove some deprecated code that I've rewritten and to modularize some more.
The pykb directory contains the backend code and standalone scripts - things you can run through cron along with one-off scripts to say export the data from the system into xml files or import data from EDK based sites such as EVE-Kill.
The web directory unsurprisingly contains the web app which uses pykb as its backend. There's no setup script for that part - it's pretty much just dump it into a directory and run it for standalone debugging after installing Flask and flask-mako. It's one file plus a set of html templates and static files for the js css and images etc. I'm going to split that monolithic file up soon as it's finally grown to the point of being somewhat unwieldy. Still though hopefully it can provide some ideas for making your own system - take whatever you want from it. It's GPL licensed though so use without keeping uthe code open source is verboten. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.17 15:48:00 -
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Could use a few more API Keys with kill logs enabled to help with testing things - simply add them in on the home page if desired.
Starting development tonight on adding some more charts displaying:
- PvP activity by system security level, highest level display initially being (High Sec / Low Sec / Null Sec) allowing drilldown into regions, constellations and systems.
- Kills by fleet size - so a pie chart showing Solo / Small Gang / Blob percentage to enable grasping how the entity tends to get their kills. Not sure if more detail will be provided yet.
- Victims by target type starting off with Soft / Hard targets, allowing drilldown into the actual ship types killed breakdown.
- Line chart showing activity times.
- Best / Worst day ever base on ISK destroyed / lost with a link to kills / losses on those days.
The first 4 will be in the section that's adjustable by date range as player habits change over time.
So the idea here is to provide something akin to an FBI serial killer profile for those you happen to see pop into local. Is this guy usually a solo killer or if alone is he most likely a scout / hot drop pilot since he tends to be in a blob when he gets kills etc. Also, helpful when evaluating a pilot to recruit or corp / alliance to join.
http://www.decloaked.com/ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.17 16:08:00 -
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Kill boards are by far the best thing about this game.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Immortals of New Eden Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.08.17 16:09:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Kill boards are by far the best thing about this game. Obsessing over killmails is the worst too.
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Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.18 02:37:00 -
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Well the first item is done:
http://www.decloaked.com/pilot/Khorkrak/stats
The best / worst days based on ISK destroyed and lost have been added. The rest requires another beer before I start coding it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:57:00 -
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I've added two additional pie charts showing Kills & Losses by System Security and Kills by Fleet Type. So now you can see where particular pilots, corps or alliances are active generally as well as whether they get their kills mostly solo, via small groups or by blobbing at a glance.
http://www.decloaked.com/pilot/Khorkrak/stats
So lately it doesn't appear that I blob much - or play much for that matter which is true since I'm coding mostly now, however change the start date to say 2007-12-01 just before I started EVE and look at how blobbish I used to be! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence |
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