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Allant Doran
Amarr Mercenaries 4 Hire Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.12.05 04:48:00 -
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This isn't something I'm too invested in, just throwing this out here. I know when we originally attacked him, way back, nobody confirmed his body as dead, he was more MIA than anything, just assumed dead.
But is it possible that the man known as 'Sansha Kuvakei' now only exists AS a set of implants that contain his conciousness and/or memories? This would be something that would truly make the Sansha a threat beyond just having to crush their fleets again, because as long as one set of 'Kuvakei' Implants existed, they will always be a threat.
This is a purely baseless theory and more a of a ''Wouldn't it be cool if...'' idea but still, anyone like the idea?
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s666ss666ss666
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Posted - 2010.12.05 05:52:00 -
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Not as baseless as you think, although perhaps you haven't read the burning life.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.12.05 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Allant Doran This isn't something I'm too invested in, just throwing this out here. I know when we originally attacked him, way back, nobody confirmed his body as dead, he was more MIA than anything, just assumed dead.
But is it possible that the man known as 'Sansha Kuvakei' now only exists AS a set of implants that contain his conciousness and/or memories? This would be something that would truly make the Sansha a threat beyond just having to crush their fleets again, because as long as one set of 'Kuvakei' Implants existed, they will always be a threat.
This is a purely baseless theory and more a of a ''Wouldn't it be cool if...'' idea but still, anyone like the idea?
Yeah, read the burning life, you'll see why Sansha isn't likely to go away anytime soon.
Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:01:00 -
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Hmm. I haven't had a chance to read Burning Life yet. Can anyone evemail me some spoilers? Does it explain how Sansha survived the first fall of his nation?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Hmm. I haven't had a chance to read Burning Life yet. Can anyone evemail me some spoilers? Does it explain how Sansha survived the first fall of his nation?
No, it only confirms that he is alive. And how he stays alive.
Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:51:00 -
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How?
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Allant Doran
Amarr Mercenaries 4 Hire Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.12.05 14:26:00 -
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Oh, it's part the Burning Life? I haven't had a chance to read that yet. :(
If somebody wants to EVE Mail me some spoilers, that would be awesome. If not, no worries, I'll get to reading it as soon as I can.
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night shiftstar
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Posted - 2010.12.06 23:43:00 -
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greetings trangers :)
This could be nothing, or perhaps my mistake; but I recall long ago, wen I was a green pilot in my destroyer, I have Intercept and recovered a ship log from a sansha's ship patrolling an asteroid belt in empire(reprocessed long ago most certainly) claiming that this dude was gathering a massive fleet somewere.
I first thought that is name was a place (lol) but the map results showed nothing, same for the code in it, that could be null space. Now, I suspect that should be in fact a WormHole...
never the less, this was REALLY LONG TIME AGO and my memory could be playing tricks on me
I have a few of this old ship logs stashed somewere, if this one have survived, I will let u know.
till then, Fly safe
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu How?
SPOILER ALERT!
In The Burning Life, he's portrayed as being sat in a chamber guarded by huge True Slaves, on what is effectively a throne. He's devoid of any clothing, and covered in hundreds, probably thousands of neural interfaces that are connected to what seem to be described as bio-mechanical cables that are wired into the throne and the ceiling above him.
He's basically described (how I took it to be at least) as being linked directly into his own part mechanical, part organic neural network, and is watching and interacting through the eyes and ears of his true slaves across the cluster.
He's also surrounded in the chamber by hundreds of True Slaves that line the walls in their own little chambers, and is fully coherent and aware of his surroundings rather than being out cold and functioning through his slaves.
The whole section on Nation, and when one of the lead characters goes to seek out Kuvakei is awesomely put together, and raises some really thought invoking questions about what Nation exactly is.
There's actually a really well written short passage in it as well that in my opinion at least, gives the reader a strong feeling of Emathy for Nation, and really portrays true slaves in a whole new light.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.12.07 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu How?
SPOILER ALERT!
In The Burning Life, he's portrayed as being sat in a chamber guarded by huge True Slaves, on what is effectively a throne. He's devoid of any clothing, and covered in hundreds, probably thousands of neural interfaces that are connected to what seem to be described as bio-mechanical cables that are wired into the throne and the ceiling above him.
He's basically described (how I took it to be at least) as being linked directly into his own part mechanical, part organic neural network, and is watching and interacting through the eyes and ears of his true slaves across the cluster.
He's also surrounded in the chamber by hundreds of True Slaves that line the walls in their own little chambers, and is fully coherent and aware of his surroundings rather than being out cold and functioning through his slaves.
The whole section on Nation, and when one of the lead characters goes to seek out Kuvakei is awesomely put together, and raises some really thought invoking questions about what Nation exactly is.
There's actually a really well written short passage in it as well that in my opinion at least, gives the reader a strong feeling of Emathy for Nation, and really portrays true slaves in a whole new light.
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. I really should get the two books someday.
As an aside, this is now how I imagine Sansha Kuvakei.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.07 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu How?
SPOILER ALERT!
In The Burning Life, he's portrayed as being sat in a chamber guarded by huge True Slaves, on what is effectively a throne. He's devoid of any clothing, and covered in hundreds, probably thousands of neural interfaces that are connected to what seem to be described as bio-mechanical cables that are wired into the throne and the ceiling above him.
He's basically described (how I took it to be at least) as being linked directly into his own part mechanical, part organic neural network, and is watching and interacting through the eyes and ears of his true slaves across the cluster.
He's also surrounded in the chamber by hundreds of True Slaves that line the walls in their own little chambers, and is fully coherent and aware of his surroundings rather than being out cold and functioning through his slaves.
The whole section on Nation, and when one of the lead characters goes to seek out Kuvakei is awesomely put together, and raises some really thought invoking questions about what Nation exactly is.
There's actually a really well written short passage in it as well that in my opinion at least, gives the reader a strong feeling of Emathy for Nation, and really portrays true slaves in a whole new light.
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. I really should get the two books someday.
As an aside, this is now how I imagine Sansha Kuvakei.
Well yeah, there's a bit of artistic licensing there for sure... but I see where you're going with it.
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Allant Doran
Amarr Mercenaries 4 Hire Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.12.08 01:26:00 -
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I'm beginning to have a mental image of him being like Warhammer 40k's ''God Emperor''
Although saying Sansha Kuvakei reminds me of somebody like that probably isn't the best way to appear to be people
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Stig Sterling
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.12.09 12:32:00 -
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on another note. Assuming that Sansha is still where he was at the end of "The Burning Life", then who is the ****ed off guy in the Incursion Trailer? I mean hes obviously not the Borg overlord that is portrayed in EVE lore...
Right?
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Allant Doran
Amarr Mercenaries 4 Hire Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.12.09 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Stig Sterling on another note. Assuming that Sansha is still where he was at the end of "The Burning Life", then who is the ****ed off guy in the Incursion Trailer? I mean hes obviously not the Borg overlord that is portrayed in EVE lore...
Right?
Well, in THIS Devblog, they talk about how that guy in the trailers was made using the character creator tool. They refer to him as ''Angry Trailer Guy'' so i think he's just supposed to be a True Slave, one of Sansha's instruments.
Plus the voice in the trailer sounds like a much older man than this guy looks so i'm willing to bet that's not Sansha.
Still, would be cool if he did himself pop up in Incursion at some point. Officer Supercarrier Spawn?
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Calathea Sata
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Posted - 2010.12.09 14:37:00 -
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It seems that the trailer guy is truly Sansha Kuvakei himself. CCP Says so.
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Allant Doran
Amarr Mercenaries 4 Hire Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.12.09 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata It seems that the trailer guy is truly Sansha Kuvakei himself. CCP Says so.
Ahh ok cool, thanks very much for the correction :)
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.12.10 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Allant Doran I'm beginning to have a mental image of him being like Warhammer 40k's ''God Emperor''
Although saying Sansha Kuvakei reminds me of somebody like that probably isn't the best way to appear to be people
Also brings me to memories the Appleseed Ex-machina movie, a bit based on a similar facts assimilation of people minds in order to fullfill their wishes, while a simple mind seems to overlord all of them.
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Faolan Fortune
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:50:00 -
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I really need to read the Burning Life, it's right here on my desk but I just haven't had the chance... although I did read that spoiler above (And yeah, made me think of the 40K Emperor too (I know I read the Amarr Emperor was in a similar state?)).
Anyway my little theory on why Sansha isn't hooked up to the machine has something to do with how they harness WH. I'm thinking by reverse engineering, or utilysing Sleeper tech, he's managed to transfer to a clone with advanced neural implants (From the trailer you can see he certainly has an occular implant visible) to control the True Slaves.
Basically he upgraded himself from a 56k modem to wifi on a broadband connection.
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Milo Caman
Gallente Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.12.13 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Faolan Fortune
Basically he upgraded himself from a 56k modem to wifi on a broadband connection.
Nice analogy
Bear in mind that in TBL, the character encountered only claims to be Kuvakei. There is no confirmation of this at any stage. Frankly though, if the True Slaves and such believe him to be Kuvakei, then for all intents and purposes, he is, even if he's not the original. ---
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Captain Zardas
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Posted - 2010.12.18 12:12:00 -
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Basicly if the True Slave Network allows him to be connected with all of his "children" in every facet, it could be possible that he could use any of them as "vehicle" for his will. So every true slave could act as an puppet kuvakai for the public, while the old man sits comfy on his throne home.
Following this thoughpath would explain why the trailer can show an so young looking capsuler skin as Master Kuvakai if the old man from the novel was truly good old Kuvakai.
And thats not the only viewabel option. From the first Book we know the Broker and his use od superior clone tech. Master Kuvakai could simply invent Bodys for diffrent personal uses if he would operate this tech. And with all the superb True Slave Tech that though is not to far away...
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.18 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 18/12/2010 13:16:21
This is similar to the view I'm forming. I'm leaning towards viewing Master Kuvakei more like a resurrected facsimile of Sansha Kuvakei consciousness. Not in the normal clone sense but more like a infomorph (re)constructed from fragments of personality left over from his original (suspected) demise.
Consider the 'oneness' of True Slaves, they are supposedly a single consciousness, a hive mind. However instead of puppets of a merged hive mind, I think they are more akin to nodes/neurons in a cloud conciousness made up of fragments of Kuvakei's mind left inhibited his True Slaves.
I think this explains Sansha's Nation's interest in Jove space (and also Sleepers). The Jove are exemplary observers and infamous collectors of data/information. I have no doubt their archive on Kuvakei was second to none, probably eclipsing even Sansha's Nation's archives on that subject.
It might also might explain Sansha's Nation's other mysterious objectives in faction space (other than abductions).
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Stig Sterling
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Posted - 2010.12.19 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 18/12/2010 13:16:21
This is similar to the view I'm forming. I'm leaning towards viewing Master Kuvakei more like a resurrected facsimile of Sansha Kuvakei consciousness. Not in the normal clone sense but more like a infomorph (re)constructed from fragments of personality left over from his original (suspected) demise.
My character (Stig here), is a "Reborn" Intaki. With how old Kuvakei is, it would certainly be possible that he has also taken this route. So this could be his second life. And with the original Kuvakei being more of a computer than a man (Golem! Infidel!), then his consciousness might have been "copied", so to speak, into the child (or whatever).
If your still following me, prepare yourself!
We all know Sansha has the biggest God complex of anyone in the universe, and that's saying something in a universe ruled by capsuleers. And while Christianity isn't exactly part of the EVE canon, it is possible that it could be referenced. So I am going to use that as my stepping off point for this little conspiracy;
Master Kuvakei, the one at the end of the Burning Life, sees himself as God. But being in his "throne", hes not capable of much physical action. True, he can control his slaves with nary a thought, but he would never be able to appear to them as a god if he is only possessing them.
Enter the angry trailer guy. This could also be Sansha, only reborn (much like the Intaki do), as the "Son" of God.
Thats as far as my theory goes though. Not quite sure where the third person would fit into this.
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Gen Kumon
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2010.12.22 07:08:00 -
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The impression I got was that the old man wasn't Kuvakei himself, just a True Slave of some sort. He was merely being used as a mouth piece, with Kuvakei himself being in some remote location.
When Drem meets the "old man", the figure proclaims himself to be Sansha, and Drem responds with "Whatever I'm talking to, I'm sure is the great leader himself, but that's not what I'm looking at."
Sansha then says "I see the world through other people's eyes." and then has all the True Slaves and biological CPUs in the room turn and stare at Drem in unison.
So yeah, I'm thinking he was just remote controlling the body.
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Kirian Kador
Amarr Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.12.22 08:42:00 -
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Can capsuleers become True Slaves?
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Gen Kumon
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2010.12.22 14:16:00 -
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The answer would appear to be yes. Former Chief Inspector of CONCORD Sutola Endoma was revealed as an agent of Nation, and after her failure, next appeared as Slave Endoma01.
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Kirian Kador
Amarr Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.12.22 15:01:00 -
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You all do realize the implications of that, don't you? If capsuleers can be true slaves, what it makes us then? real players who can control unlimited ammount of capsuleers..hehe
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