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Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.12.15 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kewso I enjoy my macros, couple years ago after using a Nostromo N52 only way I'll ever play most games now is with macros. Automation is nice, can sit back and remove annoying keystrokes and helps release stress on wrists and such.
I can understand why you like to do such a thing, it can make the game more enjoyable until the game just ends up being a bunch of botters with a few rich people throwing cash around to rein supreme.
What changes to game mechanics do you think would make it harder for a macro program to automate gameplay (less bots per computer)?
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Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.12.19 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs Hey guys, just wanted to say I'm seeing a lot of conversation here about us not caring or not doing anything about this particular subject and I wanted to affirm that it's a subject that's very near and dear to my heart. This isn't a subject that's being ignored in ANY WAY, and it's actually something I personally take umbrage with.
I understand how one can feel a certain way based on their personal perceptions, but I can also say with some degree of authority that this is no way a subject that's being ignored in the least.
Interesting, so what sort of game mechanic changes/additions does CCP plan to inact to slow down botting?
Will CCP finally balance isk creation with isk destruction (increasing isk production with an increase in trade proportionately as an exception of course)?
When will the next set of CSM minutes be out on discussion of botting and rmt?
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Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.01.03 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Elzon1 on 03/01/2011 15:29:32 Am I the only one that heard of rumors that CCP will be doing a new "Unholy Rage" five times bigger than the previous one
Maybe they have finally been able to develop an automated detection scheme to find all predictable bots/macros, wishful thinking
Woot for a new "unholy rage though"... can't wait to see those PLEX prices drop when that happens (rmt isk demand goes into PLEX's at least temporarily)
And thats the real reason to do an "unholy rage" thing, moar money for CCP
Edit: not enough "unholy rage"
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Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 01:17:00 -
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In today's world the only real way to fight off bots is to create an automated detection system. However, if the bots or bot owners can figure out how the system is detecting them then they rewrite the bot to avoid being detected. So if CCP just creates a simple program to detect botters that is based on the capabilities of actual humans then the bot will be rewritten until it matches the definition of "human" according to the detection program. If the situation becomes that of simple adjustments of the program overtime then it becomes like a back and forth battle between botters and CCP.
However, the fun begins when CCP takes the time to make a well written program that prevents the bot from figuring out how it is being detected. Such a program could take a considerable time to write. They would have to make sure it is complex enough that there wouldn't be a way for a bot or human to detect any of the indivdual components of the program. If it becomes possible for the botter to detect individual parts then the botter will eventually be able to write a bot to avoid all of the individual parts and CCP would have lost the battle.
My theory is that CCP is currently working on a program like this and are taking their time to get it right the first time, otherwise they are back at square one. The moment they start doing mass permabans is the moment the battle begins to avoid detection. If the first shot doesn't work good enough to kill the majority of harmful bots and avoid detection from the botters then it would have been a complete failure.
Bots nowadays are far too easy to detect even by human standards. Now of course all such easily detectable bots have been tagged so they will be the first heads on the chopping blocks. Make no mistake CCP wants that RMT money as they could hire quite a few more workers with it. So, I am sure CCP is keeping the nitty gritty secret so the botters/rmt don't get a leg up in the coming battle. I heard a rumor a while back that CCP had a plan for getting rid of the bots and that they were going to start it in Feburary or at least have it completed sometime during that past month. If CCP does in fact have such a plan, then I think it would be prudent to start it up BEFORE fanfest. During fanfest such a plan could be leaked to a botter/rmt individual quite easily. If such a thing were to happen then you would lose the advantage in this fight as that individual would now know your current progress and be able to counter it. There is a good amount of money in it, so you can go ahead and assume that such a thing would happen.
If there isn't a plan, then I would go ahead and start making one. If you don't want to make a plan then at least create a basic detection program to get rid of the obvious bots and try to generally get the capabilities of individual bot accounts down to the capabilities of a human. However, there is a good amount of money in CCP countering bots and taking the flow of RMT money through PLEX so I think I can assume they have a plan in the works.
Well, we will see what happens come fanfest, hopefully its good news. If botting/rmt doesn't ever come up during fanfest then I will simply check to see it battlestar galactica is any good. I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nina Mercedez You don't like the theory that CCP really don't want to confront the issue
I would like to see all bots banned. Seeing such obvious bots around and not really doing anything substantial against it would seem embarassing to most.
Originally by: Nina Mercedez and would rather see the topic die, and the few whiners leave (or get fed up whining, and maybe even join the botters)
Absolutely not, I would like to see people play this game honestly and hopefully have some fun as the game develops more advanced and interesting mechanics. I guess its still a running joke that EVE is still in beta and I don't mind that being the case as long as CCP keeps pushing the boundaries of gaming.
Originally by: Nina Mercedez whilst they continue to accumulate revenue from the botters?
If you mean CCP then you fail to realize that CCP would gain more money from the isk demand from RMT than they would from the subscription fees from the bots. Its only that people have found a way to get isk discounted as compared to PLEX so as to get more bang for their buck. When the majority of botting isk supply runs dry then those who want isk for money will have to find another supply, namely PLEX (money to CCP). When that happens the isk price of PLEX will drop due to the increase in PLEX supply. With the demand for PLEX being fairly fixed and the demand for isk being much greater the price should drop considerably. This phenomena was seen with the unholy rage incident. If CCP can manage to keep bots out of the game the new PLEX price should remain fairly low.
Of course, this lends the possibility that honest players may begin to see dollar signs and try to "honestly" do RMT. However, if the PLEX price drops low enough simply getting a crappy low paying job in real life would make you considerably more money per hour. As it stands a decent bot can make upwards of 20mil per hour, multiply that by 23 hours and thats 460mil... nothing special right? Wrong, thats only one bot and a decent comp setup could yield 10 bots. So with 10 bots thats 4.6 bil per day, not bad. Now take 4.6bil and divide that by 32mil, thats 143.75. Now take 143.75 and multiply that by 2 and that gives you 287.5. 287.5 is the number of dollars someone could earn with 10 bots running on a single comp in a single day. Multiply that by 30 and thats 8,625 USD per month. Income like that is hard to pass up even if its not your main source of income. This is why CCP would like RMT to stop so that they can have this money to devlop their game, not just make some nerd out there wealthy. It would be to CCP's benefit to be able to get rid of the botters, they just need to have a well cordinated plan and implement it. I can only hope that time is coming soon.
I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ozwald Rens I think you are missing one easy angle to detect botting: instead of checking for the actual bot programme running, you can simply check for bot-like behaviour (online 23/7, always warps out when somebody jumps into system, etc) - sure, this could in principle affect a "real person", in that case, i'm sure a manual check up will resolve the issue. Plus, CCP could always implement a system that asks a player to enter a captcha if they are to bot-like for a prolonged period of time. (this by the way, has been done successfully in online poker as well)
This is exactly what I meant by detecting bots, looking for their activity. You can't really run a search for a bot program and think you are going to find one in-game. You look for pridictable behavior used by botters. You could even set something up to plug in bot programs you have downloaded and see if there are any players using such behavior. When those programs update you get an update as well and run more scans.
On the subject of captchas, there are many bots that have the capability to crack them.
Its all about hitting them all hard and in such a complex way that they can't figure out exactly what procedures were used in order to detect them. I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi We are aware of the evenews24 situation and the leaked list being discussed here. At this time we cannot comment on the information in focus but we would like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that buying ISK for real money is a violation of our EULA and anyone doing so risks getting the ISK removed and punitive action against their accounts, including possible permanent bans.
While we would like to be more transparent about the methods and tools we use to fight RMT, botting and such in EVE we must maintain a level of secrecy in order to conduct successful operations. A presentation is scheduled at FanFest later this month where these matters will be discussed in some detail.
So, apparently something is going to be done about bots... secret though.
It would seem to be contradictory in that it is a secret plan and revealing it would defeat the purpose. Unless they implement it before, during, or immediately after fanfest. I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde To the top. Here's hoping for some signifigant meat on the annoucement at FanFest
I just want to see that they have an automated program almost ready to go for scanning through server data to find botting patterns/activity. I'm not sure where but I heard they are enhancing the reporting section so people can report bots more easily. Most likely the enhanced reporting feature will mean it will work in conjunction with the automated program to quickly get rid of the more obvious bots.
Can't wait for the weekend, should be interesting. I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.24 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena The security presentation may be web cast on friday, but the presentation itself is on Thursday at 1400 (so says the fanfest brochure) in less than 24 hours as I write this. Maybe some who sees it can give us a report?
I wonder how long each presentation will take to get onto youtube after completion?
Or will they wait a day or two before releasing it on youtube?
I personally hope each presentation is individualy taped and put onto youtube as fast as possible. I'm sure someone will report on the presentation within this very forum as soon as they have the chance to do so
This better not be fail CCP or you know there will be a most unholy rage in this very thread I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.24 19:30:00 -
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"Background bot detection in place on TQ the last few days. Some accounts lost access today. Slow burn."
So, does this mean an automated program going through account data to detect bots on a more regular basis? If so, how long would it take to cycle through all active EVE accounts and/or data?
""Portrait->report bot" menu coming soon(tm)"
So now there will actually be a "report bot" feature
Will this act in concert with an automated detection system? At least it free up gms from having to actually read through bot petitions
And a new digipass number generator to hopefully slow down hackers: Linkage I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
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Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Elzon1 on 12/05/2011 11:44:51
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Vincent Athena CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?
I'm putting out a blog in the next week.
Good to hear
Will there be actual stats or is it just "We're Winning"
Is there going to be anything in there about the "report bot" feature talked about during fanfest I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
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