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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.12.08 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 08/12/2010 23:24:54
Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 08/12/2010 23:23:13
1) there is NO big 0.0 ally which does not run bots. Sometimes just some of the members, sometimes even "corp-owned" bots.
PvP IS expensive and for most people it's an ISK-sink with sero gain (they gain fun but no ISK). So they need some sort of income. As most PvP player HATE PvE they don't want to rat/missioning/trade/produce, they chose the easy way of RMT and/or boting.
2) as there are ways to program bots there are ways to program anti-bots (tools to detect bots). It's just a question if the game owner want this anti-bots or not. In addition you need someone to check the findings of this anti-bots (like you need someone to check the bot from time to time).
3) Chribba is a trader, he does not care who sells or buys stuff from him. He want profit. Even IF he knows, that the ISK is illigal made, he wouldn't care to much as long as his accounts/chars aren't in dangure and his profit is save.
But where should he know it from? Rumores? Will the seller/buyer tell it to him? Very unlikely. And as long as it is just a rumore ... he might contact CCP to check it. But why should he as long as he know "I am proven as secure at CCP"?
He might contact CCP under 2 circumstands:
- some party scammed him
- he get the feeling his acc/chars/goods are in dangure
Is it legit what he do? Technical yes!
Is it "right" what he do? If he like the game no!
Originally by: Ulrich Ultor
I'm returning to the game after a long break and this boils up. Everyone knows botting occurs, but if it is so widespread that no 0.0 power block can maintain power without botting I am concerned. If all the time spent fighting in 0.0 was ultimately a waste why play the game ? If power blocks exist not only to win a spaceship game but also to make money, both through cheating, something is askew.
Well, ANY online game has this problem and from all the games I played the "top player/guilds/corps" allways used cheats, exploids, bugs, RMT to get and hold this status.
As boring as it is but you must except it, if you want to have some fun :(.
"I will never be one of the top players as I REFUSE TO CHEAT!"
PS: and that's why PvP in any game is pritty useless anyway.
Use no cheat = can't compet => no reson to PvP => relax with PvE ;)
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.12.09 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Michwich
Edited by: Michwich on 09/12/2010 14:07:21
What if you could buy bots (or macros as you old timers like to call them) with plex? or money, whatever. Itd be the same thing as buying isk from ccp, it would be legit and you wouldnt get mad.
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I learned how to program all sorts of automated stuff including bots. My real job is to create automated picture and video analysis/manipulating tools.
But I would NEVER EVER use my knowlage to cheat as I would lose all fun playing a game after I "won allready by cheating".
I earn a lot of real money with this tools I create. So it would be no problem to sell 100 PLEX/month.
But again I would NEVER EVER use my real money for it as I would lose all fun playing a game after I "won by real money allready".
I pay (normaly monthly price) and play to have fun. Cheating, botting, exploiding DESTROY FUN!
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.12.11 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kraundewr
For God's sake people, wake up. Game companies are about money. Accounts = cash flow into CCPs pocket.
If you seriously think CCP will "ban" botters and macro miners then you need to HTFU.
Perhaps you should recommend that for every botting/macro account you will personally pay the GTC cost per lost account. CCP might listen then.
Botter destroy markets, as soon as markets destroyed normal player will leave, when normal player left botter will leave.
If a company just wants fast money (EA for example) they do nothing against botters as they got their money by selling CDs.
If a company wants a long tearm moneymaker (Blizzard/CCP) they fight the booters to secure their income.
But we should not only talk about mining/ratting/missioning bots.
What about all the Jita-trade-bots??
Jita-trade-bots are far easier to create as you have no random factor like "where will the enemy move". And there are planty of them! I do any bet 50 to 75% of this 0.01 cent "traders" are bots.
- place offers
- refresh market view
- alter your offers
SUPER easy made, sero risk.
Do you include them into your fight @CCP?
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.12.12 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion
Originally by: Per Bastet
Why not Implement a Name and Shame for Botters that are Caught? Then the Rest of Eve Can Spend some time Ganking them.
We have the Capability to Self Police to a Good extent - But we need to know who to nail to the wall.
Great that you have the ability to self police all of EvE: Most botters can be found in the following sovereignity holding alliances: Please gank them on a consistent enough basis:
- IT alliance
- Goonswarm Alliance
- Triple A
There you go.
Even allies like CVA have them. Mostly ice-bots there. Talked to a high rank guy from CVA once and he told me "if you have ISK probs start some mining bots like I do".
So I do any bet ANY ally uses them!
And about the "CCP stop intruducing expinve ships".
I'm sorry to say this BUT if CCP realy start a fight against all the bots you will see ore/ice price go up by double or even trippel. This will lead to much more expensive NORMAL T1 ships too.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.12.12 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
Almost any major alliance has members that run bots.
And that's part of the problem why a new ally/corp has big trubble getting first steps into 0.0.
Most of the old 0.0 allys run this bots for a LOOOONG time and have so much ISK, that they can throw cap after cap into fights. If you want to compet you NEED to run bots too or you wont have the ISK to counter throw caps.
Even wors it is with super caps.
There is no way except month of regular mining ops (we all know how much PvP 0.0 junkys "love" mining) or run mining-bot-ops.
And again we all know: PvP tend to do anything to avoid PvE stuff ;).
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.12.19 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 19/12/2010 01:57:49
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Hm, the dev blog basically confirms that CCP is only fighting RMT, not botting. That's sad.
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ISK is sold because people buy it. Players do business with the RMT element and that is why accounts are hacked, asteroid belts are sucked up by bots and it is why we find ourselves in our current situation.
Sorry to say, but belts are sucked up by bots just as much, if not more, because people want free ISK to get ahead in the game or to buy PLEX.
CCP could reduce the impact of botting without annoying players too much buy imposing a limit on the time spent mining or ratting per day. Very few sane people can or should mine/rat/mission more than 3-4 hours/day while bots do it 23/7. It takes some thought to work out how to implement such limits (for mining it's easy), but it should be done ...
Then they have to limit the time player can spent in PvP too or how often they can scan the market or how many jumps a hauler can make peer day.
Stupid sugestion.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.12.21 02:09:00 -
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Telarmore you give the word "rapid" FAR to much weight.
Originally by: bucktooth
3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
This in the EULA means ccp should do something.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.01.11 01:50:00 -
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Timelimits are a NO GO. Else you would have to limit the time you can sit cloaked at a gate too.
Ever heared of alarm-bots? they inform you via SMS when a red blob jumps in your system. They do nothing but sit cloaked and scan the local, when number of red > X they send a SMS to a given number.
You would have to limit the number of transactions you can make too.
Ever heared of Jita-Bots? They do nothing but scan the marked for cheap stuff, buy it, sell it again OR all this 0.01 gamers, half of them are BOTS! Scan your offers, if someone underbit your offer change it by -0.01 ISK.
Time-/Counter-Limits are a NO GO as there are 24/7 bots anywhere. Even for PvP! And do you realy want to limit yourselve?
And how will you count it? Just for one Char? No prob, everone can creat 3 anyway.
One ACC? ROFL! Boters very likely use planty of ACC (10+++++). It will just rise the ISK/G$ price.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.03.13 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Originally by: moneykeeper
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You are WRONG, most of the botting is done in empire, we are releasing an article soon on that.
Well if you use capslock, how can I possibly disagree? =P
Will be interesting reading the article. Whilst more botting may be done in empire, I highly doubt the empire bots are pulling the 800mil+ per day per bot that the 0.0 ones are. Mining no chance, mission bots might make a more significant contribution however.
Will await the new article with interest....
The easiest bot might be the trade bot.
Sit in Jita and do nothing then check sell/buy orders of a croup of item. They have buy/sell limits and adjust the price by 0.01 ISK Cent every 4 minutes (CCP time limit).
Most people will NEVER notice this bots as they never undock. And I bet there are a minimum of 100 just in Jita not counting all the other trade hubs.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.04.15 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 14/04/2011 16:13:20
Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 14/04/2011 15:40:04
Out of curiosity, how many destroyers would it take to kill an untanked Hulk? I tried logging into the test server last night to find out, but it wouldn't load.
In related news, PL guy kills Russian botter, and gets kicked from PL as a result.
Edit - EN24 link
Also, thanks to Barrakus for this.. interesting pics
So... would the alliance in this case (or at least the command staff of it) ALL get a first level punishment, or is this in the realm of CCP doesnt care?
Actual if this is true CCP MUST punish the people who suport botting too (ak the leadership of PL) to not losing any respect.
If they don't punish them, it shows clearly, that CCP don't care about the problem and boting is a legal way to build a nullsec alliance!
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