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Opertone
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.19 08:15:00 -
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you can declare war on bots...
but killing bots does not generate enough resources, obviously. If only bots provided enough trophies to keep on killing more bots.
As I imagine, they would bribe you and give you 500 mill isk to leave them in peace, would you resist that?
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Opertone
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.19 19:35:00 -
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games are ruined by botting
it is the same if someone printed hard currency at home... or if I made fraudulent 10 000 000 USD accounts for myself (because I can)
It will bring the financial system to a collapse, gameplay to deterioration and criminal mafia-like alliances, that make MMO miserable.
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Opertone
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.21 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tub Chil Probably someone already said that but....
CCP can't stop botting as long as mining/ratting/missioning is as DUMB and REPETITIVE as it is now. it really looks like mining and PVE is SPECIFICALLY MADE for bots. minimum intelligence maximum repetition. mission after mission, belt after belt same thing over and over again. With 0 brains and imagination needed from player.
So, CCP, change PVE, change mining and you can fix botting problem. and guess what, you will greatly improve game quality too
You are right.
Now, this is why treasure hunting is what I did in 2006. Explore low sec, avoid pirates (xciting), look for commander Rats, trade channel, profit.
Now treasure hunting is less attractive, nothing of value is to be found, expeditions and cosmic sites are well detailed and milked by a select few.
Eve needs more opportunities of making wealth, by looking for it. Right now wealth is gained by countless repetitions.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.29 00:11:00 -
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time to bring back some noise, great threads live!
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.29 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Dienowthxbay Yeah its skill, but in big fleet figts personal skill value diminishes and impact of fleetcomm skill rise... And about botting and economics - we are not talking about replacing ordinary gang ships (thats pretty easy to get money for new 1-3 fleet bs in 0.0) - we are talking about x10***+ sums made in days, capital fleets, inflation and isk mass ingame.
I have a hard time believing this inflation talk.
If I buy a supercap for ISK I did gain from botting, then the most direct impact on the price level would be rising mineral prices (extra demand for minerals financed with freshly printed money).
But by the looks of it the mining bots are very well able to counteract the extra supply of ISK with an additional inflow of minerals.
Ratting bots -> tendency towards inflation (note that I say "tendency") Mining/PI bots -> tendency towards deflation/disinflation
end result - fairly stable prices & happiness
no, not at all... 1st Money that botters make is not injected into the economy. Nobody ever buys 3 bill isk in order to buy 150 Drakes! So the demand does not change much. This way general markets and minerals prices aren't affected, since the player base still has finite and stable money source. People who buy isk prefer to spend it on top-end gear, like tech 3 cruisers, rare faction mods and HG implants. Thus, the very limited supply of 'rare' named stuff is unable to meet the demand and prices tend to grow (Sellers are not numerous and adjust pricing fast).
2nd Mining bots only eliminate the competitive advantage of miners and mining alliances on the markets, so bulk sales of minerals become less and less attractive. The 'reasonable price' of minerals can only be related to the ability of an individual to 'produce' isk in order to consume 'finished products and materials'. Because pricing is directly related to purchasing power of the general population. And general population doesn't rely on bots and doesn't buy isk.
Nobody becomes happy when the value of spaceships and equipment goes down. Frankly speaking massively available items are compared to crap, because they give neither advantage, nor satisfaction.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.29 19:03:00 -
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what did we whine about again?
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:30:00 -
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Can you assume that CCP employees have a feeling that EVE is dying or that perhaps they do not make enough money, so they strike a deal with ISK selling companies and not interfere in their activities. In return they get X ~ (1-20) % of the money by a private transfer.
In simple words CCP staff makes money on RMT, diverting profit from their company to their personal accounts. This can be a clear, logical explanation.
Regardless of RMT aspect, botting makes eve not competitive, as non RMT players use bots to accumulate enormous volumes of isk and gain the upper hand in assets and equipment. Their enemies must make use of bots in order to close the gap in budgeting and afford better equipment.
Botters force every competing pilot to resort to botting. The balance of powers gets upset and the game becomes ruined by exploiters. (I see MACRO and multiaccount MACRO as an exploit to EULA)
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.17 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Opertone Can you assume that CCP employees have a feeling that EVE is dying or that perhaps they do not make enough money, so they strike a deal with ISK selling companies and not interfere in their activities. In return they get X ~ (1-20) % of the money by a private transfer.
In simple words CCP staff makes money on RMT, diverting profit from their company to their personal accounts. This can be a clear, logical explanation.
No.
CCP as a company is maximising the revenue stream that it has NOW to the exclusion of all else. The way they are behaving its likely the revenue stream is decreasing WAY more rapidly than they thought. There are two games (one costing WAY WAY more than they got told at acquisition) hanging on the Eve revenue stream so you work it out.
Employees diverting isk to their own accounts? Dream on and find another tin hat.
Employees have nothing to do with it.
try to understand me... some guy, a dev, a technician or a GM wants to make extra cash, so he cheats on the company and strikes a deal with RMT. He is jealous, angry or doesn't care about reparation. As if Iceland economy was slow after the crisis and certain people prefer hard cash.
I assume the company itself would not sell ISK on the black market.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.17 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Then check out k.ugutsumens site, theres another expose there, specifically on page 3 by a guy named rmfhorus iirc. Post 117 at the bottom is the juicy info.
Then google "h-bot". The client reading bots developed after the source code leak are much better. Read their forums.
Then read the Eve24.com articles ffs(of which there are many - and remember this is CCP endorsed)
Or spend 5 seconds googling to buy or sell isk. Yup joe average player can sell your hard earned isk for real cash (and risk a ban - don't do it ppl) on easily accessable exchange sites.
Finally this quote may be relevent to your situation: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"
Botting and RMT pigs must be slit cut and bleed to death! Bacon Bacon Bacon (just a troll)
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.18 08:29:00 -
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the logical solution to the problem - start botting yourself, tell your friends to do it. When the problem becomes big, CCP will change the security/macro policy. The problem isn't big enough yet.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.18 08:43:00 -
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wait wait, bott more actually... put this game to its knees. Make 30 000 active players who still believe in fairplay fools.
Devastate the the economic balance and turn eve-o into another piece of rubbish. Let the yellow gold plague spread. Also make some cash and get some sweet tears.
Prove that you have brains, push the chinese traders out of this business.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.18 16:57:00 -
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How about not touching MACROes in exchange for 20% of their revenue.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.18 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Opertone on 18/02/2011 20:28:34 Edited by: Opertone on 18/02/2011 20:27:28 Edited by: Opertone on 18/02/2011 20:26:53 CCP need to change its marketing slogan...
Economy controlled entirely by the players... EvE economy entirely run by bots...
Competitive market, driven by players through supply and demand... Overheated, oversupplied markets, overtaken by macro farmers
Every player action has an effect... Only the richest moguls with macro space holding alliances can change the balance of power, a truly authoritarian regime.
Playerbase, that is fun to be a part of, become a member of a corporation, join an alliance, which in terms is friends with other alliances... Travel across systems and meet thousands of spam bots, silent 24 hour mining bots and risk averse hunter-bots, who cloak and log off.
Heck, it would be simpler for them to play on SiSi for ultimate ISK bloodbath.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.19 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Yana Cova Edited by: Yana Cova on 18/02/2011 21:14:08 I dare say as this issue become more public knowledge - heck even I found about it, then if nothing is done we will be left with one of two likely outcomes:
1) More and more people start to use bots until it becomes prevalent amongst the playerbase - economic upheaval ensues and game is in spiral death mode.
2) More and people get upset as they become aware that the playing field is not level and quit out of disgust. With new fancy Incarna avatars causing influx of noobs, and fancy expansions down the line, we may have situation (1) with people joining, learning that status quo and botting themselves, or just have a turnover of noobs getting a few months in then quitting in disgust - in which case EVE will need a pretty steady influx of new people...
As for the post above mine saying that RMT is fine as it helps dolphins and orphans - good grief...
you are telling the truth, you either need to convince devs to change the game or to have the crowds follow you and punish MACRO and macro alliances with player actions, such as hulkageddon.
Hulkageddon community driven fest, in which you destroy macro fleets with smartbombs and collect killmails.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.22 12:13:00 -
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To battle the spoils of capitalism, inflation and money printing that is done by evil bots the state must introduce socialism.
No more open markets, money can not buy things, trade and exchange is controlled by the state centre.
Soon the capitalist pigs will realize that their money things do not work. Because only RMT free parties can get what they need for their labour and service.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 18:34:00 -
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to your information - excessive ISK from botting, => inflation, battleships cost 90 mill a piece, then 100 mill, then even 110 mill.
As more people get involved in botting, they go on market and buy equipment. They have higher income in ISKs, so casual players find it more difficult to buy equipment.
IT can be observed in PLEX and Character market too, influx of ISKs devalues the currency. Everything takes more isk, isk value goes down.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 05:31:00 -
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ve becomes more crappp because of MACROs
Jita is macro 24/7... mining is all macro, 0.0 and missions are macro. If you are do not macro you pay for those guys with plexes, so you can grind less and PvP more.
Hence = everybody macro. Eve - another yellow FRPG (asi-like fail online RPG)
eve is FAILING
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Opertone on 06/03/2011 05:42:57 typical macro behavior - more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.
CCP should permaban players who actually macro. Unless they do it, gamebalance will be dead and the quality of eve will be ruined. EvE will become stale, later on people will stop playing, some will keep their characters. Game will become stupid, no new subscribes no awards. RPG's death - red dwarf... becomes so rotten and plagued with ASI-parasites that nobody wants to play.
ASI-parasites these ISK farmers, macro makers, people from 3rd world countries who turn RPGs into RMT business. They have car tires to steal, push them out of online entertainment - it is too delicate for their corrupt imagination.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zophos Akratos
Are you sure that missions can be macro'd aswell? I was actually hoping that that was one of the few things besides actual PvP that cannot be dominated by macro's :[?
And yes, I know macro's rat, but that's different from missioning.
I studied macro related resources. According to numerous forums, macro programs can work with client interface - i.e. move mouse cursor and identify pixels and read directly the memory of the client.
Yeah, missions can be macroed, this is confirmed by third party script writers, they create a suitable script which can slowly deal with mission NPCs and random objectives. The macro identifies targets in overview and shoots them, when necessary it can shield boost or warp out. It just takes more time to write the script for each mission to make it fully automatic.
There is spam bot, autopilot bot, NPC hunting bot, mining bot, hauling bot, courier mission bot and kill mission bot. Trade bot is fairly easy to make and I assume some in-house versions exist.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mangold It would be great to hear something from CCP about this.
Or is the silence saying that it's ok to bot? I sure as **** have seen a fair share of chars that are on every time I manage to visit their system. Could be someone without a job, but seriously, do you believe that?
This game used to harsh and a loss really ment something as people had to work to gather enough isk to buy a new ship again. That's no more.
So.....what's the reason to play this game instead of something else? The reasons are getting few.
... this game is ***** and you need to macro, hack, and yellow to enjoy it. Asian attempt to kill the game is not unnoticed, paying to play a failed game is a FAILURE.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Janis Ezra Edited by: Janis Ezra on 05/03/2011 23:41:26 Be happy CCP is doing nothing against bots. With an active anti bot policy, all big alliances and corporations would be dead, they need 23/7 ratters/miners. And as you can see in various famous blogs about botting, there are more then you think. A single 23/7 ratter could restock a whole corp. No alliances = no competition = no PvP = game dead.
Plus the fact that CCP likes the juicy income from bots. Adapt or die.
liar or sucker... mustba be sucker, with anti bot policy game becomes playable by people WHO actually constitute 80% of playing base, who pay with their credit cards regularly and have 2-3 hours a day to play. With bots banned your 2-3 hours becomes comparable to other human beings in how hard it is to gain the resources to wage war. It becomes more enjoyable and competitive for casual players.
You advocate that with HACKs EvE appeals to 20% of the player base who actively support hacking and botting to gain advantage. Your statement is full of deception.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.08 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:41:44
Originally by: Minarete
Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot?
^^ Good reason to remove plex, apart from funding bots it funds stupidity like the above.
I forgot to add 24/7... your bot knowledge is incredible. But looks more like malice and spite rather than helpfulness.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.08 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Opertone more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.
What total and utter rubbish. I usually run 2 Hulks, sometimes 4 and 2 Orcas for up to 14hrs a day because...
a) I like to cover myself in honey and roll around in all my trit. b) amphetamines are your friend and c) work is for the poor.
Oh and thousands of people can share the same IP.
sorry dude, don't be hurt, I meant ... ALL ACTIVELY PLAYING 24/7, which is not possible for a human being.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:00:00 -
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i conclude. eve is dying
now the gameplay is numb. The player base is numerous, yet suffers from irritation.
if CCP continues with loose botting policy the population will abandon the game over the course of 1-2 years.
Eve is not dead. Eve is dying.
Help it recover and become happy again. Banhammer the chinese isk farmers and their farming tools.
Work on the tools, not the farmers.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.04.19 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?
Very seriously my answer would be NO.
I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.
So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.
Further more, CCP needs to shut down eve and tell players to move on to another Pay-to-Bot MMO. Simply because eve is boring as it is, maintaining the game is not worth it. Besides, they need to charge every player a good-bye 200 USD, as a safety package for future unemployment period.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 03:07:00 -
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ban their Device ID, serial numbers... permanently
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