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Brannoncyll
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:50:00 -
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@Kengutsi Akira: CCP Sreegs has kindly spent some of his time responding to our posts. It would be better for us all if we can keep the posts constructive so as not to discourage further communication.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 02/03/2011 17:53:49 Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 02/03/2011 17:51:52
Originally by: Brannoncyll @Kengutsi Akira: CCP Sreegs has kindly spent some of his time responding to our posts. It would be better for us all if we can keep the posts constructive so as not to discourage further communication.
Didnt know I wasnt... or is being annoyed that we're not getting info till Fanfest (which I wont be attending) = being rude now? Or at least nonconstructive? We should what, all hang on the promise of Fanfest as the answer to all our woes and be quiet till then? Let this thread die off? That the plan?
Also, HE quoted ME Im supposed to ignore the fact that he called me out?
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Burnharder
Disclaimer: I've got a degree in AI!
The interesting part of, say, Civilization, is that most decisions you make are neither binary choices, nor is it immediately apparent which is better without an overarching strategy. This also means that the AI, as complex as it is, still can not compete with a human. Not even close.
That's true in the case of a Human expert, but it isn't the case when you're dealing with ordinary people, mostly. I'm not saying all problems Humans can tackle are in-principle computable (I'm not a Materialist or a Functionalist), but in general a lot of every-day tasks are computable and hence software strategies can always be created to defeat the average Human player in performing them.
The kind-of things Humans are good at include pattern recognition and context. Indeed the latter is especially important because motivation (intentionality) also comes into play for a Human and that's really hard for a machine to replicate. But we do sometimes get things wrong, such as when filling out Captcha forms and so on; designed as they are to defeat bots, they sometimes also defeat people.
Another issue here is that you don't have to create a bot that's better than a Human. You just have to produce one that can play adequately. The mining bot I observed in my system last night was unbelievably stupid. However, slowly but surely it was earning for its owner because unlike the Human player it never gets fatigue. The same is true of ratting and market bots.
I'm sure there's a way of performing statistical analysis on DB logs that will distinguish between bot behaviour and genuine player behaviour with a very high level of confidence. Of course one would have to study such behaviours over a period of time to establish the best way of doing it. Probably months, or possibly a year or more, as the GM indicated.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:09:00 -
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By the way, this is an active area of academic research. For example:
Artificial neural network for bot detection system in MMOGs
Quote: Abstract:
Cheating is one of the biggest and constant problems in MMOGs. Games with high frequency of cheating will surely lose its appeal to genuine players who want to play the game. This is the reason why game provider these days put cheating prevention as one of the top priorities. Bot is just one way of cheating, but very efficient one. There are various methods to prevent cheating using bot. In this paper, we examine the potential of Artificial Neural Network (ANN) to detect and recognize bot from human players. We start with the assumption that one bot always acts in the similar pattern in gameplay. Meanwhile, it is much more rarer to see 2 players with similar gameplay pattern. The result of our experiment supports our initial hypothesis with the potential for future research in order to get better results.
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 02/03/2011 18:21:58
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 02/03/2011 17:46:33 Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 02/03/2011 17:37:25
Originally by: CCP Sreegs That doesn't make a single bot go away any more than replying to every post I ever make on the topic with "DUDE YOUR FACE LMAO" or "YOUR WRONG" does.
YES, please blame only me... Plus, yes.... I visit every thread you are in and post exactly that every time you say something. Overexaggerate more please
Originally by: Ephemeron You didn't read to the end. All that stuff just puts you on suspect list. In the end, it all leads to a GM sending you a convo and you either answering it or not. If you answer, nothing happens.
So by your rationale, If Im playing the game as I do, and alt tab to talk on the forums and miss the GM talking to me, then I MUST be botting and deserve to be banned? Nice logic
Originally by: CCP Sreegs What being rude does do however is make it less likely that I'll take your thread or post seriously
So us being ****ed at ppl being allowed to cheat in the game (and they are being allowed till you all start acting on them) will result in you ignoring the thread and in essence the problem (as all the mods are directing us to only this thread, locking any talk elsewhere)?
Its nice an cool that youre talking to us regularly now (not telling us anything) but some communication is better than none.
I couldn't possibly quote every post on the page and I apologize if my hitting quote on yours made you feel targeted as you weren't. I had thought I had stated that I wasn't speaking to any particular individual..
Now you being a bad or angry poster isn't going to make me ignore the issue at all. I have a job to do. I will not continue to have a dialogue with you however if you are being abusive. I don't get paid to post. We can disagree without being disagreeable. Not just you. Everyone. Being angry is no cause to be mean. I realize that this is the internet, but to use an analogy, if you were in a restaurant and you got a steak you didn't like and you addressed an employee of that establishment the way some forumgoers address devs at times you'd be escorted from the restaurant. It's simply uncivil behavior. Again, not you specifically but to people in general. I don't think it's too much to ask to be able to make some posts about an issue people care about without a few bad eggs being big jerks. |
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 02/03/2011 18:28:08 While its nice to see some "blue lines" appearing in the thread which aren't deleting things ........
.....simple fact is that the "punishment" CCP hands out in relation to non-RMT botting has been a joke for years.
People like me have only discovered it recently - last year wandering around Stain was my "epiphany" - but its been like this for four or five YEARS, in terms of your "punishments".
Hard to take anyone seriously when they do nothing to discourage the practice until a megathread hits their forums - and even then we're speculating you ARE going to do something.
Edit - techical measures are all well and good but if the punishment is a slap on the wrist.... these people downloaded the bot, they PAID for the bot, its not accidental so 3 day bans are in no way adequate.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs big meanies.
later
Originally by: CCP Sreegs big jerks.
Im actually not being a **** here but your wording is really strange to me. Sounds really young or something ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:56:00 -
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CCP Sreegs, thanks for the posts. There are a couple of question you may be able to answer now, before fanfest.
First, these are about those who use bots for in-game advantage, not for RMT.
Why, as a company, does CCP want to eliminate the accounts of those who use bots when doing so reduces CCP's income?
I ask because in many of the posts here it is stated that CCP likes the bots because they pay for a subscription (indirectly, via PLEX), and hence their elimination would hurt CCP's bottom line. (My answer: too many bots, game dies, CCP's bottom line takes BIG hit).
Has CCP ever perma-banned an account for botting? Again, not RMT, just botting. If so, did you delete their account and assets? Has CCP ever removed the isk gained from botting from the game? Again, not RMT, just botting. Has CCP ever perma-banned a PLAYER for botting? That is delete all their accounts, and not accept any future accounts from that player? (My guess is this is not technically possible, but I thought I'd ask.)
Thank you.
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Greniard
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Greniard on 02/03/2011 19:03:24 Such huge fail at damage control...
CCP Sreegs: any particular reason bans for botting are at most 3 days? Someone might actually care about longer bans and close down their sub, losing CCP $15/month?
(Edit: Seems the person above me is on the same lines. Maybe we both get our messages deleted )
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 02/03/2011 18:28:08 While its nice to see some "blue lines" appearing in the thread which aren't deleting things ........
.....simple fact is that the "punishment" CCP hands out in relation to non-RMT botting has been a joke for years.
People like me have only discovered it recently - last year wandering around Stain was my "epiphany" - but its been like this for four or five YEARS, in terms of your "punishments".
Hard to take anyone seriously when they do nothing to discourage the practice until a megathread hits their forums - and even then we're speculating you ARE going to do something.
Edit - techical measures are all well and good but if the punishment is a slap on the wrist.... these people downloaded the bot, they PAID for the bot, its not accidental so 3 day bans are in no way adequate.
While I don't want to speculate on the specifics of what the end result from a punishment perspective will be our intent is to eliminate the problem. Obviously if people don't feel there's a disincentive they won't stop. |
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: CCP Sreegs big meanies.
later
Originally by: CCP Sreegs big jerks.
Im actually not being a **** here but your wording is really strange to me. Sounds really young or something
It's a trick I use to remain PC where I replace vulgarity with childhood terms. |
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 02/03/2011 19:10:30 Yeah, I was figuring there was gonna be an answer along the lines of "we dont discuss these matters" like every GM ever gives in any other game.
Not trying to be mean, its just the way it works.
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
It's a trick I use to remain PC where I replace vulgarity with childhood terms.
I like it, its funny
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 02/03/2011 19:12:00
Originally by: Vincent Athena CCP Sreegs, thanks for the posts. There are a couple of question you may be able to answer now, before fanfest.
First, these are about those who use bots for in-game advantage, not for RMT.
Why, as a company, does CCP want to eliminate the accounts of those who use bots when doing so reduces CCP's income?
I ask because in many of the posts here it is stated that CCP likes the bots because they pay for a subscription (indirectly, via PLEX), and hence their elimination would hurt CCP's bottom line. (My answer: too many bots, game dies, CCP's bottom line takes BIG hit).
Has CCP ever perma-banned an account for botting? Again, not RMT, just botting. If so, did you delete their account and assets? Has CCP ever removed the isk gained from botting from the game? Again, not RMT, just botting. Has CCP ever perma-banned a PLAYER for botting? That is delete all their accounts, and not accept any future accounts from that player? (My guess is this is not technically possible, but I thought I'd ask.)
Thank you.
The first question is one I haven't FULLY researched but the general consensus is that removing bots actually increases CCP's income because we have more happy customers. The idea that we would want people to bot for $15 is a false one, though I could see why some people would leap to that conclusion.
We don't delete accounts. We have perma-banned a volume of accounts for botting, specifics I don't want to get into at the moment, in the past couple of months. Like in one shot, not the normal over time bans. There are normal bans that occur practically every day. Many of them permanent.
Questions regarding asset disposal would require more research and I'll ask around, but it has certainly been a consideration for the process going forward.
:edit: I'm ducking a little bit but it's after hours here in beautiful Reykjavik. |
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:36:00 -
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All their stuffs are belong to meeeeeee!
seriously tho... give it to ME lol ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs, just wanted to thank you for the constructive replies.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs While I don't want to speculate on the specifics of what the end result from a punishment perspective will be our intent is to eliminate the problem. Obviously if people don't feel there's a disincentive they won't stop.
Well I hope this marks a change in the way your company approaches the issue. We'll see.
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Minister Ben
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 02/03/2011 19:12:00
Originally by: Vincent Athena CCP Sreegs, thanks for the posts. There are a couple of question you may be able to answer now, before fanfest.
First, these are about those who use bots for in-game advantage, not for RMT.
Why, as a company, does CCP want to eliminate the accounts of those who use bots when doing so reduces CCP's income?
I ask because in many of the posts here it is stated that CCP likes the bots because they pay for a subscription (indirectly, via PLEX), and hence their elimination would hurt CCP's bottom line. (My answer: too many bots, game dies, CCP's bottom line takes BIG hit).
Has CCP ever perma-banned an account for botting? Again, not RMT, just botting. If so, did you delete their account and assets? Has CCP ever removed the isk gained from botting from the game? Again, not RMT, just botting. Has CCP ever perma-banned a PLAYER for botting? That is delete all their accounts, and not accept any future accounts from that player? (My guess is this is not technically possible, but I thought I'd ask.)
Thank you.
The first question is one I haven't FULLY researched but the general consensus is that removing bots actually increases CCP's income because we have more happy customers. The idea that we would want people to bot for $15 is a false one, though I could see why some people would leap to that conclusion.
We don't delete accounts. We have perma-banned a volume of accounts for botting, specifics I don't want to get into at the moment, in the past couple of months. Like in one shot, not the normal over time bans. There are normal bans that occur practically every day. Many of them permanent.
Questions regarding asset disposal would require more research and I'll ask around, but it has certainly been a consideration for the process going forward.
:edit: I'm ducking a little bit but it's after hours here in beautiful Reykjavik.
Thank you for your response, its nice to have some news as opposed to no news.
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Mater Miner
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mater Miner on 02/03/2011 21:01:40 Lets realy get the word out and get this into the face of more then just eve players.
nullhttp://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=100000055505344&sk=wallnull
P.S. CCP u maybe able to remove this link posted on ur forums but u wont beable to remove the link posted on the other site linking here. |
Malcanis
Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.03.02 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 02/03/2011 18:28:08 While its nice to see some "blue lines" appearing in the thread which aren't deleting things ........
.....simple fact is that the "punishment" CCP hands out in relation to non-RMT botting has been a joke for years.
People like me have only discovered it recently - last year wandering around Stain was my "epiphany" - but its been like this for four or five YEARS, in terms of your "punishments".
Hard to take anyone seriously when they do nothing to discourage the practice until a megathread hits their forums - and even then we're speculating you ARE going to do something.
Edit - techical measures are all well and good but if the punishment is a slap on the wrist.... these people downloaded the bot, they PAID for the bot, its not accidental so 3 day bans are in no way adequate.
While I don't want to speculate on the specifics of what the end result from a punishment perspective will be our intent is to eliminate the problem. Obviously if people don't feel there's a disincentive they won't stop.
Final solution best solution.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Jessie42
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: CCP Sreegs big meanies.
later
Originally by: CCP Sreegs big jerks.
Im actually not being a **** here but your wording is really strange to me. Sounds really young or something
It's a trick I use to remain PC where I replace vulgarity with childhood terms.
I wonder where you learnt such an art form.
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.03.02 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 02/03/2011 19:12:00 Lots of posts.
Sreegs, First off thanks for giving us more then a few words and the like, see part of this whole issue is communication... or the apparent lack there of.
Now I can understand that CCP doesn't want to give away how they are planning on stopping botting in specific but at the same time the constant 'wait until fanfest' also is starting to be seen as a joke to those of us who don't have several thousand dollars to go to fanfest and who have played eve since castor or the like and watched things being said they are being done and then appear to just be swept to the side.
I know this is not you personally but lets look at just the lines of communication we the players have to you CCP in regards to this single issue 'Botting'.
- The forums/dev blogs. - The CSM
On the forums it appears that we don't get a lot in the way back which is why people get upset after all you yourself have pointed out we see this as a major issue, and the most we get told is 'we are doing something about it honest!' now it'd be nice to take that on face value but due to the issues in the past i think CCP's burnt a lot of peoples fuses so to speak on just what they are willing to take on face value these days.
On the CSM Side you only have to look at the minutes and you see the entire conversation was removed due to NDA. That basically completely closes down that avenue.
Then when we do get Dev Blogs on the issue it all appears to be about Real Money Transfers. That's fine except that to a lot of people the RMT part isn't the Largest part of the problem, instead to a lot of us from reading this thread the problem is that we have to work hard for what we get in game, Carebears spend weeks if not months mining to get a billion isk for example, mission runners do missions, pvp'ers do well what pvp'ers do ;) blow people up. But either way we are all 'working' so to speak to get what we have... and then we see bots running about working 23 hours of the day 7 days a week.. at no cost really to the owners who are pulling in materials, isk etc at rates which we the normal person can never match and thus the owners have a world of materials that we can't match giving them a massively unfair advantage.. I mean lets face it if I had several billion isk to blow would I worry about loosing a Battleship or a carrier ? I don't think so.
And then when we do complain about the issue we get very little in feedback (until the last few posts I'll again give you credit for those) or told again 'wait until fanfest'.
The issue there is that CCP is seen as doing Nothing, ever since Exodus/Cold war we know there have been bots.. RMR was when it started to get real bad (any one remember going out into every belt in a system to find there wasn't one because the macro miners had cleaned em all out?) and we got the unholy rage and hulkaggedon (the later is doubtable but hey they have fun and it's in the spirit of the game) that put at least a dent into some of it, but since then the problems gotten worse and nothing happens each expansion etc to fix the problem.
Also Fanfest to a lot of us is seen as the 'cop out excuse' it may not be seen as such to you, but as pointed out a lot of people don't go to fanfest, same goes for other companies big things like blizcon or whatever we don't care/have the money etc to go, so when we are told it'll be discussed here, I know to me it's like 'Great and once again our voice gets ignored because were not rich enough to go look the dev's in the face and say 'Fix it'. Plus lets face it as I said a lot of stuff gets promised at Fanfest then 2 - 4 years later we are still waiting, heck even dev blogs a lot gets promised and then 2 - 4 years later we still waiting.
I think the solution to the 'ccp fix it rage' is really simply communication and proof, Blizzard worked that one out and it stopped a lot of the rage, now CCP needs to. - Juil Intergrated Information Services Information is Power
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.03.02 22:34:00 -
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Ran out of room ;)
How exactly you'd go about doing this is as you have said hard, you don't want to obviously let people know how the changes are being done because that would allow the botters to over come them, but at the same time if it appears your doing nothing people get angry. You've basically stated you won't name and shame which ok privacy laws kinda mean you can't I also understand that part, but there is NOTHING stopping you posting the numbers of bans handed out each month / quarter something like a new post once a month with
"CCP's war on bots
CCP has continued it's war on botters and others who break the EULA with 200 3 day warning bans, and 100 permabans occuring, due to EULA breachs, we would like to remind ALL players that we take these breaches seriously, we hope to one day be able to post 'no bans have been given out because every one is playing by the rules' "
Obviously that's just an example but it'd at least show people your doing something.
The other aspect is that a LOT of the perception for the botting comes from the fact that mining etc is that BORING and basically 'point, click, have a smoke, drag some ore, have some coffee' etc etc etc that it's an easy bot etc.. and it's been that way since well forever.. some how something needs to be done to make things require more interaction and thus.. not only help relieve the mining bordem but be seen as making it harder for bots to simply click a button and drag.
I could go on but I figure one whole post and a half is enough.. Again I'd like to say thank you for some of the replies they are helpful but yeah more communication = good.. Please? - Juil Intergrated Information Services Information is Power
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.03.02 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Juil
Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 02/03/2011 19:12:00 Lots of posts.
a really big post
I agree that communication is a big part of the issue. I've explained the reasoning behind waiting for fanfest and while you might say that it seems like a copout 3 weeks doesn't really give me a whole lot of wiggle-room to not look like an idiot in that regard. I also said that following fanfest if there's no video we'll be releasing regular blogs and while I didn't state it explicitly in the absence of something EVERYONE can watch the first blog will be essentially what's shared at fanfest.
I understand that people feel this issue's been festering for a long time and there's really and truly nothing I can do about that. I've only been here a few months and there are fresh members of the team who have been here even less. One of the reasons we're here is because CCP recognized that this (among other things) needed to be addressed.
So, hyperbole aside one should at least lend an ear to the fact that CCP recognized that there were problems of a very specific nature and hired very specialized people to deal with them. I don't think that means you should suddenly be happy or even necessarily take my telling you that we're working on a solution of solutions for granted. What I can say though is that there are people devoted to this task a few of whom are sourced primarily to this task. I can tell you that this isn't considered a "feature". It's a security problem and it's being addressed as such. I can understand your perspective regarding features not being delivered, but given that you're not going to get any detailed information for 3 weeks or so you could give us a chance to get the ball rolling and I welcome you to pass judgement once we've released some more information.
Otherwise you could pass judgement in the meantime but really you'd just be kicking around the new(ish) guy and that could get old. |
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Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.03.02 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Juil
Originally by: CCP Sreegs Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 02/03/2011 19:12:00 Lots of posts.
a really big post
I agree that communication is a big part of the issue. I've explained the reasoning behind waiting for fanfest and while you might say that it seems like a copout 3 weeks doesn't really give me a whole lot of wiggle-room to not look like an idiot in that regard. I also said that following fanfest if there's no video we'll be releasing regular blogs and while I didn't state it explicitly in the absence of something EVERYONE can watch the first blog will be essentially what's shared at fanfest.
I understand that people feel this issue's been festering for a long time and there's really and truly nothing I can do about that. I've only been here a few months and there are fresh members of the team who have been here even less. One of the reasons we're here is because CCP recognized that this (among other things) needed to be addressed.
So, hyperbole aside one should at least lend an ear to the fact that CCP recognized that there were problems of a very specific nature and hired very specialized people to deal with them. I don't think that means you should suddenly be happy or even necessarily take my telling you that we're working on a solution of solutions for granted. What I can say though is that there are people devoted to this task a few of whom are sourced primarily to this task. I can tell you that this isn't considered a "feature". It's a security problem and it's being addressed as such. I can understand your perspective regarding features not being delivered, but given that you're not going to get any detailed information for 3 weeks or so you could give us a chance to get the ball rolling and I welcome you to pass judgement once we've released some more information.
Otherwise you could pass judgement in the meantime but really you'd just be kicking around the new(ish) guy and that could get old.
Damn.. that's a fast responce ;)
Ok I'll give you your 3 - 4 weeks hows that sound lol. But can you PLEASE make certain that the information does get posts ASAP from the Fanfest? Ie not 6 months later :)
and I also understand that you don't want to be constantly feeling like great i'm here to fix the problem and now there attacking me. That's why i stated 'not necessaryly you' but ccp as a whole. And my reasoning behind the Fanfest comment is simply that everything tends to be 'fanfest' that is all, ie anything to do with Incarna.. fanfest, anything to do with x fanfest it's not an attack on you personally.
So ok i'll give ya 4 weeks and maybe the others might too.. i can't speak for them ;) - Juil Intergrated Information Services Information is Power
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.03.03 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Juil
"CCP's war on bots
CCP has continued it's war on botters and others who break the EULA with 200 3 day warning bans, and 100 permabans occuring, due to EULA breachs, we would like to remind ALL players that we take these breaches seriously, we hope to one day be able to post 'no bans have been given out because every one is playing by the rules' "
Warhammer used to do that exact thing. Theyd put out a system message when they caught a goldspammer/guyer/seller and how they got eviscerated/hanged/burt at the stake.
One of the few cool things about the game. ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.03.03 01:33:00 -
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So... you've been plotting for months? really?
lol you know if it was giving you such trouble you should've just hired me, I've lived with bots for three years now.
I could scorch just about every 0.0 bot in less then half a month, with at least a 99% accuracy rating.
But I suppose nobody likes to do things the brute force way anymore... Becoming an old man I guess. It's all about the high-level plotting and scheming these days. tsk tsk.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.03 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
a lot of stuff that makes him my new favorite dev
From you telling people to stop being asshats, or ****tards in appropriate childhood epithets, to the very clear "yes we consider this a problem, yes it is a problem, yes there is a team on it and yes there are individuals working on it full time" I have to say you're my favorite dev right now. It is extremely infuriating that the mega alliances have all the supercaps they want for free. It's frustrating that CCP (who is on record for having cheated for mega alliances in the past) has seemed to let it slide in the past.
It's extremely encouraging to see the very first real dev posts acknowledging that it is a problem and that they are committed to making it go away. That's mostly what we've wanted. Well, that and actually making it go away.
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Angel of Night
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Posted - 2011.03.03 03:40:00 -
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^^ well said. Thanks about the good informative dev posts. |
Juil
Gallente Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.03.03 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Warhammer used to do that exact thing. Theyd put out a system message when they caught a goldspammer/guyer/seller and how they got eviscerated/hanged/burt at the stake.
One of the few cool things about the game.
Yeah Mythic used to be great ... before they sold out lol.
But I mean it could even be kept in 'universe' if you don't like we have caught x amount of bots' as the news item.. ie:
In recent developments Concord has reported that it's long running investigations into Pilot Licencing Abuse claims have began to show fruit with XXXX pod pilots being found in clear violation of the Yula Protocols, after through investigation these pilots have had their Pod Licenses permenantly revoked and their assets seized. The investigation team is continuing to look at all reports that come over its desk and would like to remind all pilots that breachs of the terms they agree to when being issued their Piloting Licenses are not to be triffled with and if they breach these conditions they will be found and delt with.
Though I honestly would also like to see the BIGGER botters fully hung out named etc it's how it happens in real life. - Juil Intergrated Information Services Information is Power
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2011.03.03 08:52:00 -
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Would it be possible to use a blizzard style authenticator device to not only secure accounts but also to secure the client - prevent it from being hacked?
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