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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I have personally observed some 0.0 bot behaviors, they are smart enough not to get safe when standings are positive. So they ignore blues. As soon as a non-blue comes in local, they warp to safe or POS
as alliance member I was told not to attack bots if they are blue, and they are blue cause they pay rent.
That is standard practice for -A- and AAA Citizens. As you've said your alliance knows all about it and benefits greatly. TBH I have never seen a AAA Citizen doing anything other than bot.
-A- and AAA Citizens cheat on an organised basis. Ephemeron has just confirmed that quite clearly.
Over to you CCP
We won't hold our breath for you doing anything as we know you're not going to bother.
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Ephemeron
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:54:00 -
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Make no mistake, ALL big alliances have members or renters that employ bots - with or without public knowledge of alliance leaders.
It would be political suicide for any alliance to take hard stance against botting. When everyone else does it, you have to do it to stay competitive.
However, it is also wrong to assume that every member of big alliance supports botting. Most of the PvPers hate botting, they just can't do anything. CCP has to level the playing field.
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Milken Gekko
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:57:00 -
[1653]
so we need political suicides... I'll get right on that
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.08 20:12:00 -
[1654]
Originally by: Ephemeron Make no mistake, ALL big alliances have members or renters that employ bots - with or without public knowledge of alliance leaders.
It would be political suicide for any alliance to take hard stance against botting. When everyone else does it, you have to do it to stay competitive.
However, it is also wrong to assume that every member of big alliance supports botting. Most of the PvPers hate botting, they just can't do anything. CCP has to level the playing field.
Well up to a point I agree. Then I look at Stain. Been AAA Citizens in there macro ratting for at least 3 YEARS.
So while I agree with you that macro ratting is endemic I don't agree with your statement of "most of the pvpers hate botting" as many of the "pvpers" in -A- are the people RUNNING the bots in Stain (and Catch last year).
You're inside -A- and I respect you for being honest but you KNOW that botting is encouraged amongst the -A- renters. It always has been, otherwise how are they going to pay the rent each month?
I hope the new BOFH guy has a clue about the community feeling here. I suspect he doesn't and gods help him if he doesn't for he'll be roasted alive - as will CCP who are on the last of their nine lives regarding this matter.
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MahNyx
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Posted - 2011.03.08 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Othran I hope the new BOFH guy has a clue about the community feeling here. I suspect he doesn't and gods help him if he doesn't for he'll be roasted alive - as will CCP who are on the last of their nine lives regarding this matter.
what matter? this is much ado about nothing.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.08 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: MahNyx
what matter? this is much ado about nothing.
Oh I don't know about that. At the very least this thread - and the now-promised FF response - will indicate to people whether they should go bot themselves. Not much point in staying "honest" if the GMs don't ban mmm?
So for that reason anyway we should keep the thread in view.
Do feel free to keep muddying the water though
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2011.03.08 22:06:00 -
[1657]
Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 08/03/2011 22:08:12
Originally by: Milken Gekko What about ALL of Chribba's site that display big google ads for ISK sellers... those ads are seen and clicked everyday by hundreds of eve players... now tell me that's not convenient.
Funny thing is that when I go there, I don't get adds for isk sellers, bots, cheats, hacks, game guides or anything else like that. I guess my history doesn't suggest to GoogleAds I'd be interested in those products. Edit: Just double checked... ad for Allstate insurance.
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Minarete
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.08 22:08:00 -
[1658]
Edited by: Minarete on 08/03/2011 22:09:24
Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 08/03/2011 22:07:25
Originally by: Milken Gekko What about ALL of Chribba's site that display big google ads for ISK sellers... those ads are seen and clicked everyday by hundreds of eve players... now tell me that's not convenient.
Funny thing is that when I go there, I don't get adds for isk sellers, bots, cheats, hacks, game guides or anything else like that. I guess my history doesn't suggest to GoogleAds I'd be interested in those products. Edit: Just double checked... add for Allstate insurance.
Ya, all i get is P O R N site ads.. oh, never mind..
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Herr Starrr
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Posted - 2011.03.08 22:20:00 -
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It seems to me given the upcoming announcement at fanfest that any action or change is already decided.
I remember reading online a while back about a poker site using software to identify a bot to player ratio using different flags such as time active online. Hopefully CCP follows similar but also monitor bot software development and copy the small patch theory to frustrating these programmes. Monitoring a users time online before and after a patch that stops bot software can probably be programmed only for those flagged, eg after reading one forum today they mentioned they were all offline after a major patch for about 1 week. Comments earlier about eve not being compatible with certain things in vmware gives examples of small changes that can be made.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Now for a question. Name me the csm candidates with no null sec alliance links since they all to some degree appear to be as bad as each other for allowing botting.
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LABIUM LEAK
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Posted - 2011.03.08 22:27:00 -
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http://tinyurl.com/6kgafhx mass ban please ccp
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.03.09 00:04:00 -
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CCP Sreegs, where are you? This thread was much more fun with your participation. Please come back.
Also, you said you were going to address my last set of questions, but never did.
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Kilarya Amarri
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Posted - 2011.03.09 06:03:00 -
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well it seams that booting problem last about 2/3 of game life so i am curious just how much of the problem is it, 5/6 years of doing nothing sounds terrible and quick fix then isn't possible?
just how much of them are there in % vs real player?
why was booting allowed in the first place common logic dictate preventing thing before epidemic hit the fan.
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Devil's Call
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.09 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kilarya Amarri well it seams that booting problem last about 2/3 of game life so i am curious just how much of the problem is it, 5/6 years of doing nothing sounds terrible and quick fix then isn't possible?
just how much of them are there in % vs real player?
why was booting allowed in the first place common logic dictate preventing thing before epidemic hit the fan.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean...? 2/3th of game life? You imply that 2/3th of the entire game is made out of bots... or what? I suspect that the number of bots can go as high as 10%, maby even higher... hence CCP is carefull with banning them, as they might see a huge dip in subscribers. But then again, the potential subscribers that might all come and/or come back to the game after it has been purged of bots might be huge. I really hope that they can figure something out before incarna hits:-).
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 09/03/2011 11:03:36 Has Riverini published yet?
Also, looks like we were too much of "big meanies" for the CCP guy to come back... that or he realized he made a mistake saying there would be news at fanfest ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:03:00 -
[1665]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1479579
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:18:00 -
[1666]
not letting win thread die.
this is important to us. we don't want cheaters to continue getting ahead of legitimate players by illegal means.
i am directly affected by this as a miner, my minerals are not nearly as valuable as they should be because botters are creating too much supply. |
Avila Cracko
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Posted - 2011.03.09 20:10:00 -
[1667]
very "nice" things to see (again):
In Isk we Trust: Iskbank.com Exposed, Thousand of Customers Outed.
IskBank.com û Client list.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:37:00 -
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In his blog on phishing CCP Sreegs said:
"It is important to note that phishing is not the only way your credentials or private information can be stolen. One example we've given a bit in the past is third-party applications such as bots. We spend some time reverse-engineering this code and there are very few cases where ANY "botting" application does NOT send information to the creator that you did not intend it to. There is also NO class of bot that does not violate the EULA and will not get your account actioned against when we detect it. In one case that springs immediately to mind a freely distributed piece of code had a time-bomb in it where on a certain date and time it transferred the contents of the wallets of everyone using it to the creator."
One wonders how much of the isk being sold came from bots that included such malware.
It also shows that a messy, interrelated issue bots, RMT, phishing, and account hacking is
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:44:00 -
[1669]
So, who's going to kick up the biggest fuss about this? I was going to vote :p.
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Kireiina
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:18:00 -
[1670]
No one is going to kick up a fuss about it at the CSM because nobody believes CCP has any interest in doing anything about it.
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Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:34:00 -
[1671]
Originally by: GM Grimmi We are aware of the evenews24 situation and the leaked list being discussed here. At this time we cannot comment on the information in focus but we would like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that buying ISK for real money is a violation of our EULA and anyone doing so risks getting the ISK removed and punitive action against their accounts, including possible permanent bans.
While we would like to be more transparent about the methods and tools we use to fight RMT, botting and such in EVE we must maintain a level of secrecy in order to conduct successful operations. A presentation is scheduled at FanFest later this month where these matters will be discussed in some detail.
So, apparently something is going to be done about bots... secret though.
It would seem to be contradictory in that it is a secret plan and revealing it would defeat the purpose. Unless they implement it before, during, or immediately after fanfest. I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
Bruce Kemp
Minmatar screaming skulls
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Posted - 2011.03.10 05:28:00 -
[1672]
Its too late baby.
Originally by: Lady Spank Minmatar born, Minmatar bred, Strong in the arm, Thick in the head.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kireiina
No one is going to kick up a fuss about it at the CSM because nobody believes CCP has any interest in doing anything about it.
Hm, I'd phrase that differently: everyone believes that CCP is interested in doing nothing about it, since bots contribute much to PCU numbers and subscriptions, as well as their "legalized" RMT through PLEX.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder So, who's going to kick up the biggest fuss about this? I was going to vote :p.
/me looks at the masses....
Here he is, we've found the voter.
/me forms a small gang, and commences to harang him.
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0Lona 0ltor
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Posted - 2011.03.10 13:38:00 -
[1675]
CCP is a disgrace. When is the next EVE convention in the UK I plan to go dressed as a bot/robot and **** all CCP persons off. Would be epic if we ruined a meeting and got in the game mags as a protest against CCP not tackling the bot problem.
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moneykeeper
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Posted - 2011.03.11 06:53:00 -
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Bump to stop CCP's strategy of ignore it and it will go away from working.
Bots are why I dont have an industrial alt. For an industrial alt to make sense it needs to make more isk than selling a plex plus the isk that could make in that time running missions. I'm guessing there's quite a few people who would have indy alts if they were economically viable.
But in this game only bot alts make sense. A dude with a hulk can't compete with a fleet of 6 mining bots working 24 hours per day. Nor can a pvper compete with people who have unlimited isk to spend on ships and fittings.
In eve the only way is by botting. Doing anything else is foolish.
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2011.03.11 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: moneykeeper Bump to stop CCP's strategy of ignore it and it will go away from working.
Bots are why I dont have an industrial alt. For an industrial alt to make sense it needs to make more isk than selling a plex plus the isk that could make in that time running missions. I'm guessing there's quite a few people who would have indy alts if they were economically viable.
But in this game only bot alts make sense. A dude with a hulk can't compete with a fleet of 6 mining bots working 24 hours per day. Nor can a pvper compete with people who have unlimited isk to spend on ships and fittings.
In eve the only way is by botting. Doing anything else is foolish.
Your one extra account vs their 6... Can see why CCP like bots....
Tho the real damage comes from the 0.0 belt ratting bots, injecting pure isk into the economy. They devalue both your isk and drive plex prices up, also making faction stuff massivley overpriced.
What is most annoying is 'old' CCP a few years ago (bitter vet checking in) would have cared about the quality of the game much more than the bottom line, and both done more and liased with the community more (tho the asshats in the community these days may have something to answer for here). As it is they have to keep Eve alive to fund WoD and DUST.
Heres awaiting the much - touted fanfest report.
Also: free bump. Why is this not on page 1?
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riverini
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:06:00 -
[1678]
Edited by: riverini on 11/03/2011 16:06:28 title fixed...
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riverini
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.11 16:14:00 -
[1679]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Originally by: moneykeeper Bump to stop CCP's strategy of ignore it and it will go away from working.
Bots are why I dont have an industrial alt. For an industrial alt to make sense it needs to make more isk than selling a plex plus the isk that could make in that time running missions. I'm guessing there's quite a few people who would have indy alts if they were economically viable.
But in this game only bot alts make sense. A dude with a hulk can't compete with a fleet of 6 mining bots working 24 hours per day. Nor can a pvper compete with people who have unlimited isk to spend on ships and fittings.
In eve the only way is by botting. Doing anything else is foolish.
Your one extra account vs their 6... Can see why CCP like bots....
Tho the real damage comes from the 0.0 belt ratting bots, injecting pure isk into the economy. They devalue both your isk and drive plex prices up, also making faction stuff massivley overpriced.
What is most annoying is 'old' CCP a few years ago (bitter vet checking in) would have cared about the quality of the game much more than the bottom line, and both done more and liased with the community more (tho the asshats in the community these days may have something to answer for here). As it is they have to keep Eve alive to fund WoD and DUST.
Heres awaiting the much - touted fanfest report.
Also: free bump. Why is this not on page 1?
You are WRONG, most of the botting is done in empire, we are releasing an article soon on that.
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Veebring Greetings
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Posted - 2011.03.11 17:18:00 -
[1680]
posting in an epic thread
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