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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.18 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: wr3cks
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome If anyone thought RMTers or their clients would be lying low, no such luck.
NoahPegram (1-day alt) has bought 40bn worth of junk in the last few hours. Screenshot shows a list of his recent customers. If you know these people, let them know their isk's gonna disappear soon.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6387/rmtad.jpg
Petition is in.
How did you find this, by the way?
I was looking at recently listed contracts and found the one selling a rifter for 2.4bn. Since I was in Jita I figured the guy would spam it in some way as a contract but it never was. Then it was sold shortly afterwards to a sub 1-day character which just stank to high heaven. Looking at that character's contracts history made it pretty obvious what was happening.
It looks like they tell their customers to list any item at the price of however much ISK they've bought (and most seem to list it with their name as the description) which is shortly afterwards accepted by a brand new mule character. I wouldn't be surprised if that character is biomassed as soon as possible after a series of transactions to make tracking things just that little bit harder. |
Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.18 21:42:00 -
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Looks like there's another deal going down.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4492/anotherrmtcustomer.jpg
Prove me wrong Joker2309. Explain that contract. Bet it'll be accepted by some 1-day char shortly.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.18 21:53:00 -
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Haha he deleted it. Use an alt next time okay? |
dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.18 23:29:00 -
[1774]
Edited by: dexington on 18/03/2011 23:34:21 @Nadarius
Can't you start a new thread where you post screenshots of people you petition, i really don't know how much more of your smug self-satisfied snitching i can stomach.
It's not your job to be the SS of the space police, you have zero prof that people are doing anything illegal, petition them and let ccp deal with them. If you are the kinda of petty person that needs to gloat, them convo them or send them a mail, before you know they indeed have done anything illegal you should'nt post it on a public forum.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.19 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 19/03/2011 00:07:46 Nice try at godwinning the thread, but if you really want to compare you could call me a concerned citizen sick of the authorities' inaction.
People like you and whitehound are obviously of the opinion that there is no problem. People like me (oh, and 90% of the rest of the people in this and other threads) think there is.
You have a problem with me stating my opinion? Perhaps it is you who need to be compared to the SS.
Edit to add: My petitions carry absolutely 0 weight as proof with CCP, as it should be. I'm merely alerting them to the fact that I personally think that there is an issue with a particular transaction. Much like the evebank list, I do not expect nor want CCP to take that as any kind of proof of nefarious activity. I merely want them to use their own tools, eyes, and perhaps even brain to determine innocence or guilt, entirely with their own data. All I'm doing is trying to get them to take a closer look at the people I'm petitioning.
I guess you're one of those people who looks the other way when you see a car being broken into. Or who ignores the screams of someone being assaulted. "Can't get involved, I'm not the piloce...". |
dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.19 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Nice try at godwinning the thread, but if you really want to compare you could call me a concerned citizen sick of the authorities' inaction.
People like you and whitehound are obviously of the opinion that there is no problem. People like me (oh, and 90% of the rest of the people in this and other threads) think there is.
You have a problem with me stating my opinion? Perhaps it is you who need to be compared to the SS.
The problem is not you stating your opinon, the problem is that you are calling people out to be isk buyers with no proof except an odd 1B contract. What is next you are going to post every scam contract with prices listen in M and not K, they are just as likely to be the cover for an RMT transaction.
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Edit to add: My petitions carry absolutely 0 weight as proof with CCP, as it should be. I'm merely alerting them to the fact that I personally think that there is an issue with a particular transaction. Much like the evebank list, I do not expect nor want CCP to take that as any kind of proof of nefarious activity. I merely want them to use their own tools, eyes, and perhaps even brain to determine innocence or guilt, entirely with their own data. All I'm doing is trying to get them to take a closer look at the people I'm petitioning.
This has nothing to do with the iskbank customer list, that list was the closest you can get to solid proof. What you are doing is picking odd contracts and publicly claiming people are involved RMT transfers, and demanding that they prove you wrong without you in the first place proved they did something illegal.
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome I guess you're one of those people who looks the other way when you see a car being broken into. Or who ignores the screams of someone being assaulted. "Can't get involved, I'm not the piloce...".
You really should get down form your moral high ground, what you are doing is the equivalent picking the first person that maybe matches the description and just start shouting "he did it!, he did it!".
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.19 01:02:00 -
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I'm sure I could argue with you for days or weeks, but my time is worth more to me than that. You're wrong. Everyone else is right.
If CCP actually investigated and did something once in a while this issue would never have arisen. Instead, people are frustrated because other people who are cheating the system are (or appear to be) getting away with it unpunished. |
Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.03.19 01:21:00 -
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CCP, who owns EVERYTHING in this game, including these forums and even your character, is going to do whatever they are going to do. No amount of pointing things out to them is going to change that one bit.
The ONLY thing you have to decide is if you want to keep playing it as is or if you want to play something else. You simply are not going to change the face of the game no matter how much you whinge about it.
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.03.19 01:21:00 -
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keep up the good work Nadarius Chrom, even if your wrong at least your helping to clear up crappy contracts that clog the system.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.19 01:38:00 -
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Haha yep. Previous threadnaughts have never achieved anything, and people should just pay their $15 and stfu. |
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Katie Tanaka
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Posted - 2011.03.19 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: dexington The problem is not you stating your opinon, the problem is that you are calling people out to be isk buyers with no proof except an odd 1B contract. What is next you are going to post every scam contract with prices listen in M and not K, they are just as likely to be the cover for an RMT transaction.
Oh please. Give us your alternative explanation for why a sub-one-day old character would buy a script worth approximately 10,000 ISK in the market via the contracts system for 2.5bn ISK from a player who feels the need to put his name as the contract description? You get bonus points if I don't sneeze my coffee out of my nose in laughter at the outlandishness of your suggestion.
If you did a financial transaction like this in the real world, you'd be reported under anti-money-laundering legislation.
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.03.19 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Haha yep. Previous threadnaughts have never achieved anything, and people should just pay their $15 and stfu.
No, I'm suggesting that you don't pay your $15 and gtfo.
I hope you can appreciate the subtle difference.
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.03.19 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: ArtieLange Did that AFK cloaking alliance ever kick off? I've got an alt I will never use for anything productive that's now in a cov-ops. I might be tempted to sit griefing people all day.
Nah. CCP made some changes to the netcode that means I can no longer play EvE at Australian prime time. So I cancelled the AFK cloaker thing till they fix it, which will be never apparently.
Hoping that somebody that can actually play will pick it up and do it though.
I'm very curious about what you're referring to here. If your ISP is filtering you it's the fault of bad signatures on the ISPs side. We can't stop developing EVE on the off chance IDS vendors will mislabel us as something we aren't. I'm happy to work with the ISP to try to get the vendor to update whatever product it is they're running, but in the absence of information about said product there's not a whole lot we can do.
Either Optus Internet or Tata communications is flagging EvE data as p2p. Been happening for the last 4 months. This is in my opinion the direct result of the bitcode change and not because Optus or Tata is flagging traffic since they have been packet shaping for years with the old code and the issue never presented until CCP made its recent changes.
While we can point fingers and pass blame on whose fault it is, the end result is CCP have millions of potential customers who are unable to log into EvE at their prime time because of it.
Im a little surprised you don't know about this since I've made numerous threads and complaints on the issues forum and there have been multiple threads running consistently since the problem appeared.
Unfortunately its not a simple matter to change providers in Australia since were locked into contracts that are quite expensive to get out of.
complain to your isp not to eve they don't control your connection
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Katie Tanaka
Originally by: dexington The problem is not you stating your opinon, the problem is that you are calling people out to be isk buyers with no proof except an odd 1B contract. What is next you are going to post every scam contract with prices listen in M and not K, they are just as likely to be the cover for an RMT transaction.
Oh please. Give us your alternative explanation for why a sub-one-day old character would buy a script worth approximately 10,000 ISK in the market via the contracts system for 2.5bn ISK from a player who feels the need to put his name as the contract description? You get bonus points if I don't sneeze my coffee out of my nose in laughter at the outlandishness of your suggestion.
If you did a financial transaction like this in the real world, you'd be reported under anti-money-laundering legislation.
My comment was aimed at the post with the 1B contract for 1 unit of salvage loot, which does seem odd but i don't think it qualifies as proof of RMT. I would say there is a big difference between someone who makes multiple 2.5B transaction on a character that seem created only for that purpose, and someone that make a strange 1B contract.
If some transaction seems suspicious then get the GM's to look at it, there is no point in using the forum to convict players of RMT when it's impossible to prove their guilt or for them to prove their innocence.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Looks like there's another deal going down.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4492/anotherrmtcustomer.jpg
Prove me wrong Joker2309. Explain that contract. Bet it'll be accepted by some 1-day char shortly.
Funny thing about this; I thought calling ppl out on the forums was a no-no
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:05:00 -
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lol I know what the Fanfest thing is: "Guess how many CSM have been RMT traders and bot farmer farm managers?"
Id lol
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Looks like there's another deal going down.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4492/anotherrmtcustomer.jpg
Prove me wrong Joker2309. Explain that contract. Bet it'll be accepted by some 1-day char shortly.
Funny thing about this; I thought calling ppl out on the forums was a no-no
That would be funny. Ban me for that and let RMT'ers run wild. |
Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xylengra You simply are not going to change the face of the game no matter how much you whinge about it.
Well, to be fair, all it took was about 5 whiny ****s to complain about inactive RP to get that changed.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.03.19 04:39:00 -
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I too am fed up with the bots
I wish CCP would do something about NC bots :( .
Im not Bismaru, im better! |
Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.19 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos I too am fed up with the bots
I wish CCP would do something about NC bots :(
these maps are painful to look at.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.03.19 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Looks like there's another deal going down.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4492/anotherrmtcustomer.jpg
Prove me wrong Joker2309. Explain that contract. Bet it'll be accepted by some 1-day char shortly.
Funny thing about this; I thought calling ppl out on the forums was a no-no
That would be funny. Ban me for that and let RMT'ers run wild.
theyre not ALREADY running wild?
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.19 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 19/03/2011 06:57:28 Check out *****2's (where the stars obscure the common word for a female of negotiable affection) history of managing to sell overpriced shuttles.
200m for one (sold in 36 minutes) on 16/2/2011 1bn for one (sold in 33 minutes) on 20/2/2011 500m for one (sold in 24 minutes) on 1/3/2011 And one listed right now for 1bn. Bet a new char buys it any minute now.
This is obviously someone's alt. Only other contracts it has are couriers from around the place to Villore, obviously where his main lives. Time to biomass that one whoever owns it. |
Memorya
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Posted - 2011.03.19 09:44:00 -
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For CCP's good it is time to start permanent banning even if the guy rtmed 0.1$. ------------------------
English is my 5th. Language.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2011.03.19 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: sableye complain to your isp not to eve they don't control your connection
No they don't control the connection but they control the bitcode that is being flagged. Like I said before, this happened when CCP changed the bitcode not because all of a sudden ISP's started shaping traffic in peak times.
Its sortof like making me dress up as a bear on a hunting reserve and then going, well yeah people are taking potshots at you but its not our bear suit, its the hunters with guns...
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.03.19 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 19/03/2011 06:57:28 Check out *****2's (where the stars obscure the common word for a female of negotiable affection) history of managing to sell overpriced shuttles.
200m for one (sold in 36 minutes) on 16/2/2011 1bn for one (sold in 33 minutes) on 20/2/2011 500m for one (sold in 24 minutes) on 1/3/2011 And one listed right now for 1bn. Bet a new char buys it any minute now.
This is obviously someone's alt. Only other contracts it has are couriers from around the place to Villore, obviously where his main lives. Time to biomass that one whoever owns it.
where the stars obscure the common word for a female of negotiable affection
If the forums werent bugged I would never have got have said.
The player in question is *****2 the word starred out is also starred out below.
"A person who drools over killmails is a killmail *****, who contributes to nothing but killmail whoring, then claims to be elite because his stats are full of blobs where all he did was killmail *****" .
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.19 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona No they don't control the connection but they control the bitcode that is being flagged. Like I said before, this happened when CCP changed the bitcode not because all of a sudden ISP's started shaping traffic in peak times.
The problem is no the program code, it's the ISP's system that is not configured correctly. It's the ISP that needs to fix the problem, not CCP.
Do you have any proof that the ISP is throttling internet speed based on the eve data signature, or are you just guessing?. The systems i've heared of doing this, does it based of the amount of data you are down/up loading. Eve don't use a massive amount of bandwidth, seem very odd they would use that as a trigger.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.19 11:01:00 -
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Its not Optus, its Tata who are running the offending traffic shaper. Tata are Optus' "partner" - AKA upstream supplier and I can only assume that Optus agreed to this. Optus massively increased their data caps for customers in Nov/Dec and patently do NOT have the transit bandwidth to cope, hence the shaping times changing from 20:00 EDT to 18:00 EDT.
Pretty bloody odd running DPI on the actual transit (shaper in question seems to be in Telehouse NYC) rather than at the edge/core routers but Tata have a less than reliable reputation so who knows.
All been discussed in the relevant forum anyway - where it should stay.
If CCP want to get involved in talking to transit providers then good luck to them, I suspect they'll get ignored or told to **** off.
NB - Eve is not the only affected game by any means, there's a fair few discussions regarding Optus and games on Aussie internet forums. Same symptoms.
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Paul Mustaka Hekard
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Posted - 2011.03.20 01:18:00 -
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Eagerly awaiting the CCP fanfest announcement on this issue. Better be a good plan that they roll out.
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.03.20 02:45:00 -
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My money is on some corporate-speak using many words to say not much of anything at all.
Those expecting a proclamation from the heavens with a final solution attached will be disappointed.
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Florestan Bronstein
Amarr Taishi Combine
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Posted - 2011.03.20 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Consortium Agent A big post that I can't quote :(
Hey guy thanks for the kind words. I didn't run away from the thread or anything there's just
A) Only so much to say at the moment with Fanfest a week or so away B) A lot more of you guys than there are of me C) I was traveling last week which minimizes my posting time
I was aware of your site and found it very useful from a few perspectives that if I don't remember to mention at Fanfest I'll be happy to discuss with you in person if you're attending. If not just bump the thread after or post in the dev blog and I'll get into some more detail.
Linkage
So the talk on bots has been masked (again!) as a presentation on "Security"? or has CCP decided that the issue of botting is not of sufficient interest to the EVE audience that it warrants a livestream?
looking forward to no mention of bots and plenty "evil RMTers will steal your account details" propaganda.
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