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JusTaLooN
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.06 06:02:00 -
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Being an Amarr at heart and loving there ships I seem to be cursed to fly ships which are worse (according to some people opinions at least) than other races' ships in their class. On my way towards an Absolution I will be passing through the HACs. What are the roles of the Amarr HACs in small gang pvp? Can the sacriledge only be used as a REALLY heavy tackler and is the zealot just a glass cannon sniper? Does anyone use the Zealot as an up close and personal Hammer or cant it handle it? What other ingenius uses can you come up with?
Thank you in advance and yeah I am new to pvp --- I think violence in games only causes violence in real life if the person in question has an insufficient mental capacity to deal with the real world in the first place |
Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2010.12.06 06:26:00 -
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The Sac makes a good pvper's Transport Ship.
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Truculent Misanthrope
Amarr Generic Internet Spaceships Trading Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.06 06:36:00 -
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Typical role for zealot is sniper hac. Lots of dps at 110km. Its a great ship for that role. Fit with pulse it can solo reasonably well. MWD, injector, faction disruptor and orbit at range. Basically, fly it like a really heavy crusader. Not an ideal way to use it but I does work. 30km disruptor really helps here.
Sac is a jack of all trades HAC. Can fit a scary tank, can nano, can gank, has a huge cargo bay for cap charges. Typically mwd, injector, pt, dual rep, dual eanm, 1 bcu and hams. Rigs and remaining slots to taste. Faction web is a huge help defensively. Overheat to help keep range on targets. Target painter is nice for shooting smaller targets.
Sac is nice in that it can fill a lot of different roles. Can tank gate guns while being fast and agile enough to roam. Downside is that its not good at long range and it isn't the best ship in any given role. It is flexible which is its strength and weakness.
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oldmanst4r
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.06 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: JusTaLooN
Thank you in advance and yeah I am new to pvp
If you are new to PvP your shouldn't be flying HACs. I would recommend the Harbringer if you are Amarr specced. On balance it costs about the same to lose a few Harbringers as it does to lose one Zealot after insurance and as someone new to PvP you are going to lose more than a few of whatever ship you fly, so better make it cheap.
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Salen Kane
Amarr Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
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Posted - 2010.12.06 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: JusTaLooN
Does anyone use the Zealot as an up close and personal Hammer or cant it handle it? What other ingenius uses can you come up with?
Thank you in advance and yeah I am new to pvp
The zealot can be plated and used as a brawler instead of a sniper. However, unless you're running a armor/guardian gang, its not very effective to do so. A harbinger will have more dps (once you factor drones) and ehp, cost less, and you can insure it. That said, a gang of plated zealots with guardian support can get nasty, as they have very good armor resists for remote rep.
But yes, if you're new to PvP, HACs aren't the best place to start. Make your noob mistakes in less expensive ships. Those who would equate EVE violence with RL violence deserves to suffer both. |
Derekian
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.06 11:56:00 -
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Solo beam zealot is the best ship in the game.
Use it, and enter EVE nirvana.
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Nimbat
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Posted - 2010.12.06 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Derekian Solo beam zealot is the best ship in the game.
Use it, and enter EVE nirvana.
sniper zealot is the best ship in the game.
Use it, and enter EVE nirvana.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2010.12.06 14:20:00 -
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Beam Zealot is good HAC sniper. Don't try and fit for short range.
Sacrilage is just useless unless you need to rat against angels and want to stop dealing only EM damage. You can fit a very bad and outdated nano fit on it, but its pretty much a dead ship.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.06 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 06/12/2010 14:41:41
Quote: Being an Amarr at heart and loving there ships I seem to be cursed to fly ships which are worse (according to some people opinions at least)
On average amarr ships are the best in their class with the current metagame, with a few exceptions.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.06 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 06/12/2010 14:41:41
Quote: Being an Amarr at heart and loving there ships I seem to be cursed to fly ships which are worse (according to some people opinions at least)
On average amarr ships are the best in their class with the current metagame, with a few exceptions.
Because nobody flies drakes, or vagabonds, or cynabals, or dramiels, or rifters, or hurricanes, or ruptures, or thrashers, or sleipners, or sabres, or munnins...
Wake up dude.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.06 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 06/12/2010 15:20:34
Originally by: Templar Dane
Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: Being an Amarr at heart and loving there ships I seem to be cursed to fly ships which are worse (according to some people opinions at least)
On average amarr ships are the best in their class with the current metagame, with a few exceptions.
Because nobody flies drakes, or vagabonds, or cynabals, or dramiels, or rifters, or hurricanes, or ruptures, or thrashers, or sleipners, or sabres, or munnins...
Wake up dude.
He said in there class. Amarr Battleships are undoubtatly the best Fleet Battleships. There HAC's are the best fleet HAC's and there EWAR Boats are there solo and small gang ships.
They don't have the best frigate line up sans the Sader and Slicer but then can participate in all levels of warfare at great effinentcy. There only gimp is that besides the Harby and Arby there T1 non Battleship classes are not that great.
But they have a plethera of ships for any situation. Also they have the best capitals. just to recap...
Frigate PVP
Punisher(AC) Slicer Sader
Small Gang Warefare
Arbitrator Curse Harbinger Zealot Navy Omen Purifier Gaurdian
Large Fleets
Zealot Devoter Harbinger Guardian Armageddon Apocalypse Abbadon Archon Revelation Aeon
Solo
Sader Slicer Arbitrator Curse Pilgram Harbinger Purifier Sentinal(Difficult)
No matter what level you play on they have a ship that will do it effectively. The only downside is it is skill intensive and expensive. But they have ships at every level and a lot of bests. Sure Minmatar may be better at small gang and solo, but match the Zealot in fleets or even with the Tempest and Phoon with Battleships, No way.
No other races don't get this kind of coverage at the effective level the Ammar do. Caldari have the Drake and ECM, Gallente have Drone Boats, the Megathron and almost as good Carriers and Minmatar are awesome in anything below a Blob. But Ammar are better at big Fleets and have representation at every other level.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.06 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
No matter what level you play on they have a ship that will do it effectively. The only downside is it is skill intensive and expensive. But they have ships at every level and a lot of bests. Sure Minmatar may be better at small gang and solo, but match the Zealot in fleets or even with the Tempest and Phoon with Battleships, No way.
No other race gets this kind of coverage at the effective level the Ammar do. Caldari have the Drake and ECM, Gallente have Drone Boats, the Megathron and almost as good Carriers and Minmatar are awsome in anything below a Blob. But Ammar are the with there Fleet class and have representation at every level.
Undock in low sec some time and look at the ships you see flying around. 90+% are minmatar. You'll see one harb for every 10-15 canes, and that's for a reason. You'll never see punishers unless it's a dumb noob, or PIE(and that's because that's what they have to fly). Most of the inties will be stilletos
"Coverage", ha. Can I have some of what you're smoking?
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.06 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 06/12/2010 16:07:47
Originally by: Templar Dane
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
No matter what level you play on they have a ship that will do it effectively. The only downside is it is skill intensive and expensive. But they have ships at every level and a lot of bests. Sure Minmatar may be better at small gang and solo, but match the Zealot in fleets or even with the Tempest and Phoon with Battleships, No way.
No other race gets this kind of coverage at the effective level the Ammar do. Caldari have the Drake and ECM, Gallente have Drone Boats, the Megathron and almost as good Carriers and Minmatar are awsome in anything below a Blob. But Ammar are the with there Fleet class and have representation at every level.
Undock in low sec some time and look at the ships you see flying around. 90+% are minmatar. You'll see one harb for every 10-15 canes, and that's for a reason. You'll never see punishers unless it's a dumb noob, or PIE(and that's because that's what they have to fly). Most of the inties will be stilletos
"Coverage", ha. Can I have some of what you're smoking?
Yes Minmatar are the best in Solo and Small Gang, just like you see a ton of Ammar in large fleets. Doesn't change the fact that there ships are effective. People tend to fly the best no exceptions and that means more Minmatar in small gangs. It also means Blobs are mostly Ammar or Drakes.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.06 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Templar Dane
Undock in low sec some time and look at the ships you see flying around. 90+% are minmatar. You'll see one harb for every 10-15 canes, and that's for a reason. You'll never see punishers unless it's a dumb noob, or PIE(and that's because that's what they have to fly). Most of the inties will be stilletos
"Coverage", ha. Can I have some of what you're smoking?
I have a feeling we're in the same part of lowsec.
All the same, regardless of the number of people riding the FOTM train, that doesn't discount the fact that Alara presented a solid list of very good ships.
I used to loathe Amarr ships for the iwin-button-chasers that flew them...now that they're being abandoned wholesale, at least in my part of space, I'm considering crosstraining.
A shield nanoHarb looks like it could spank all these Hurricanes flying around... I already have BC V, now all I need are the lasers! (I never thought this day would come.) I'll let you know in a month if I DIAF.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.06 16:28:00 -
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The problem with the nanoharb is that is doesn't have the sheer tracking the cane does. Cane is pretty good at shooting down the frigs, harb has more trouble.
And guys, I did not say that amarr doesn't have good ships. They have a good recon, a good hac, and the battleships are solid.
What I don't like are people coming onto the forums and whining about amarr having a monopoly on all/most ship classes. Absurd. I will continue to flame/bash the minnie fanbois that come on here and complain about amarr/scorch because they aren't able to kite everything.
Laser boats and blaster boats fitting shield tanks so they can compete, and the whines ensue.
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