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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.06 07:30:00 -
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I generally use a paladin + rattlesnake combo for blitzing level 4 missions in gallente space. As of right now my rattlesnake pilot uses cruise missiles, however I was wondering how viable torps would be.
The 45.6 km range kind of bothers me but the dps is just way higher than my cruise missiles. Does anyone use a rattler w/ torps in missions? Does it work better with cruise? These are the two fits im looking at.
This is the fit im looking to use. If you swap the siege missile to cruise then you will end up with the fit I usually use. Max range with javelins (before implants or anything) is 45.6 km.
[Rattlesnake, Torp] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Core Defence Field Purger I Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Garde II x5
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.06 07:41:00 -
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Ya I been playing around with a Torp Rattlesnake myself. First thing you will want to do is add a target painter or two and good skills on thoughs target painters pays off too.
Second add in at least on missil rig. Ether a Hydraulic Bay Thruster or Rocket Fuel Cache Partition.
Hope this helps some. I just started playing around with Torps on my Rattlesnake. But this both help alot.
You will see a big diffents in dps with the painters and the added range is very nice too.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.06 07:48:00 -
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I just looked at your set up.
First thing is in passive shield tanking a Large tech 2 shield extender will bet a Shield Recharger tech 2 every time. Both in shield recharge per sec and in EHP. No lie.
Second if you going Torp drop the Omnidirectional Tracking Links and put it Painters. In order to use Torps and keep tank you will have to gimp the Drones. Becouse I have not found a way around that. If you find one let me know plz becouse I am loveing the torps.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
oldmanst4r
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.06 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane Need advice.
Right-click Rattlesnake
Select "Repackage"
Right-Click it again
Select "Create Contract"
Follow the step by step instructions to create a public item exchange contract.
Now, browse contracts Item-Exchange-Ship-Battleship-Name.
Select a contract that says "WTS Raven Navy Issue" double-click it and check to see that it is indeed a Raven Navy Issue. Once you have confirmed this, click "Accept". Have fun with your increased isk/hr.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.06 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: oldmanst4r
Originally by: Sader Rykane Need advice.
Right-click Rattlesnake
Select "Repackage"
Right-Click it again
Select "Create Contract"
Follow the step by step instructions to create a public item exchange contract.
Now, browse contracts Item-Exchange-Ship-Battleship-Name.
Select a contract that says "WTS Raven Navy Issue" double-click it and check to see that it is indeed a Raven Navy Issue. Once you have confirmed this, click "Accept". Have fun with your increased isk/hr.
Thats cooled. You know sometimes people just want to have fun and do something differnt. It's not always isk/per houre.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.06 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sader Rykane on 06/12/2010 07:58:50
Originally by: Rip Minner I just looked at your set up.
First thing is in passive shield tanking a Large tech 2 shield extender will bet a Shield Recharger tech 2 every time. Both in shield recharge per sec and in EHP. No lie.
Second if you going Torp drop the Omnidirectional Tracking Links and put it Painters. In order to use Torps and keep tank you will have to gimp the Drones. Becouse I have not found a way around that. If you find one let me know plz becouse I am loveing the torps.
Considering that my sentries put out nearly 500 dps @ a range of almost 60 km, I'm going to have to pass on the dropping omnidirectionals. It is a drone boat after all, if I wanted to give up the sentries I'de fly a raven. Also, in this case the tank with a recharger is higher, though after checking it myself its only about 1-2 dps higher so I'll concede the Large Shield extender is more useful, though not technically "better".
Also, as I said before the ship generally runs around with a paladin that usually gets the sentries assigned to it. 90% web + gardes + omni directionals = frigate instapop. Now as for the target painter thing? You know it might be possible to fit the paladin with painters but I'de have to micromanage a lot and that might not even be worth it =/
Originally by: oldmanst4r
Originally by: Sader Rykane Need advice.
Right-click Rattlesnake
Select "Repackage"
Right-Click it again
Select "Create Contract"
Follow the step by step instructions to create a public item exchange contract.
Now, browse contracts Item-Exchange-Ship-Battleship-Name.
Select a contract that says "WTS Raven Navy Issue" double-click it and check to see that it is indeed a Raven Navy Issue. Once you have confirmed this, click "Accept". Have fun with your increased isk/hr.
Isk per hour is very much not my priority. I've spent the last 5 months in w-space, i'm not exactly hurting for isk. This is just for f'ing around.
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Aleph Phi
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Posted - 2010.12.06 08:01:00 -
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Pretty much what the above poster said, but if I had to fly a rattlesnake...
[Rattlesnake, Cruise]
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Heat Dissipation Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Bouncer II x5 Garde II x5
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.06 08:03:00 -
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Sader if your wanting the drone boat to be a drone boat thats fine. If you want Torps on it get painters from somewere and add in one of thoughs Missil rigs. With out the rig you already know you will have range problems and with out the painters your cruises will probly end up doing more damg anyways.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.06 08:05:00 -
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Alright try #2. Only annoying part here is that I'de have to buy 4 specific hardeners, might get a little pricey. Tanks 562 for serpentis who are the only enemies I ever get generally. Range still kind of sucks but I don't really want to drop a purger. I could maybe drop a BCS fit 4 relays and slap a range rig on there.
[Rattlesnake, Round 2] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Shield Extender II
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Core Defence Field Purger I Large Core Defence Field Purger I
Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.06 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rip Minner on 06/12/2010 08:35:10 Edited by: Rip Minner on 06/12/2010 08:30:05
Originally by: Sader Rykane Alright try #2.
I have used that set up with out the named mods just tech 2. I dont have a Pally to back me up so the range was a real problem for me. But probly not for you.
This is what I am using right now. The Tank is kind of low but the dps is high and so is the EHP.
Shield Power Relay IIx2 Power Diagnostic System IIx2 Ballistic Control System IIx2
Mission Hardner x1 Mission Hardner x1 Invulnerability x1 Large Shield Extender IIx2 Target Painter IIx2
Siege Missile Launcher II x4 Mission damg Javelin Torp Drone Agu x2
5xGarde II 5xMission damg Sentry's for Range and yes Mission damg will do omost as much as the Garde most days sometimes more. I can even pick off small ships with this with the targer painters when there flying in.
rigs Sentry Damge Aug 1 Core Defence Field Extender 1 Hydraulic Bay Thrusters 1
Add in want ever other drones you like.
Edit: I do this for fun the Cruse Missiles work best with Rattlesnake. I know why you dont want to give up the Omnidirectional Tracking Links there very nice and effective. And thats why Cruise Missiles work best with Rattlesnake. Becouse they do just fine with out Painters. Or missile rigs.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.12.06 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: oldmanst4r
Originally by: Sader Rykane Need advice.
Right-click Rattlesnake
Select "Repackage"
Right-Click it again
Select "Create Contract"
Follow the step by step instructions to create a public item exchange contract.
Now, browse contracts Item-Exchange-Ship-Battleship-Name.
Select a contract that says "WTS Raven Navy Issue" double-click it and check to see that it is indeed a Raven Navy Issue. Once you have confirmed this, click "Accept". Have fun with your increased isk/hr.
Try again, braniac.
Just look at the market. ---
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Sigaar
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Posted - 2010.12.06 12:31:00 -
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Your fit isnt good. Its overtanked and you need target painters for torps (i d go with at least 2).
All in all i d stick to cruise, torps are more situational.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.06 12:53:00 -
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Torps are good for some missions, however if you want to have only one fit thats always on I would not use torps.
I have tried torps from time to time and prefer Fury cruise with 3 rigors and painter or two. The on paper dps is not as good ofc, but it's easier to use. Main things irritating me with torps are crapish range and small clip size in combination with high RoF - so they reload often (roughly after every 2 minutes for me).
If you are willing to switch setups between missions then create saved setup with torps and refit using that for torps in those missions where their range is adequate.
I can't comment on Rattle part of your question as I myself have only used CNR/Golem/regular Raven for level 4 missions.
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Sigaar
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Posted - 2010.12.06 13:08:00 -
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Quote: If you are willing to switch setups between missions
Refitting rigs for torps will cost you good 40-50kk. Without those rigs you will enjoy 30km range or smth.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.06 14:19:00 -
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Torps on a Rattlesnake are a pretty bad idea. If you use missile range rigs, you lose the sentry drone damage rig. If you don't use missile range rigs, your torp range is too short.
If you don't use multiple TPs, you won't hit for anywhere near full damage except against the largest, slowest battleships. If you do use multiple TPs, then your have to sacrifice either tank or drone tracking links.
Even with cruise missiles, you'll probably want one target painter. Fury cruise missiles will only be hitting for full damage against the slower moving battleships and maybe some battlecruisers (with a TP.)
IMO, a Rattlesnake can barely make cruise missiles work. Torps are just a bad idea unless you're shooting stations.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.06 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sigaar
Quote: If you are willing to switch setups between missions
Refitting rigs for torps will cost you good 40-50kk. Without those rigs you will enjoy 30km range or smth.
Obviously if one uses torps from time to time he would be having those torp rigs always in. That in turn means that he would not be using rigors which makes cruise missiles considerably less effective. Or in case of Rattlesnake sentry drone rigs.
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Dr Chau
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Chau on 06/12/2010 18:47:26
Originally by: Rip Minner I just looked at your set up.
First thing is in passive shield tanking a Large tech 2 shield extender will bet a Shield Recharger tech 2 every time. Both in shield recharge per sec and in EHP. No lie. Second if you going Torp drop the Omnidirectional Tracking Links and put it Painters. In order to use Torps and keep tank you will have to gimp the Drones. Becouse I have not found a way around that. If you find one let me know plz becouse I am loveing the torps.
That is false. EHP will obviously only increase with a LSE II, however there are many applications where a Shield Recharger II gives more tank (shield recharged/s) than a LSE II.
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