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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.07 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Othran LOL the USA has just totally lost the plot.
State Dept Press Release :
The United States is pleased to announce that it will host Unesco's World Press Freedom Day event in 2011, from 1-3 May in Washington, DC.
The theme for next year's commemoration will be 21st Century Media: New Frontiers, New Barriers. The United States places technology and innovation at the forefront of its diplomatic and development efforts. New media has empowered citizens around the world to report on their circumstances, express opinions on world events, and exchange information in environments sometimes hostile to such exercises of individuals' right to freedom of expression. At the same time, we are concerned about the determination of some governments to censor and silence individuals, and to restrict the free flow of information. We mark events such as World Press Freedom Day in the context of our enduring commitment to support and expand press freedom and the free flow of information in this digital age.
Uhuh. Tossers.
I just had an irony overload
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.07 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Kidd Man some of those cables contain info that pose a security risk, like which assets are of important interest to national security. I wouldn't want that kind of info to be leaked out, regardless of the country to which it belongs to.
Because nobody would have guessed BAE systems factories and the port of rotterdam were important things
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.07 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos Why did paypal ban wikileaks?
I am guessing america asked "nicely"
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.08 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Umega Well, atleast it is reassuring to see that some people get it.
Posting secret documents/info a country/government has can cause conflict. How many people really want a war(s)? It shouldn't matter what country the 'leaks' are on. We're all human.
I think people have had their minds warped by biased media that exists in every country. No.. your country is NOT special and does not have unbiased journalism, no one does. Quit that crap. This isn't some Real World drama **** that plays out for people to be entertained.. which is sadly the case with a lot of you. Admit it or not, idc.
Since people like conspiracy theories. Here is one.. Assange has contacts or is upto his old hacking tricks. Paid by corp or government that wants to see **** go down, and by that.. I mean boom boom fighting. He potentially now has the means to make such happen.. and his employeer is pleased. Before he hands over the 'Golden Chalice of Truth' to his employeer or made released.. he needs to be made to disappear. Sent to Prison.. on a nice tropical island.
I can come up with crap out of my ass too that actually sounds legit.
Doesn't make the **** you read true.
Freedom of speech is wonderful.. gives people the freedom to lie out of their ass, remember that.
Freedom of speech shouldn't be a tool that esculates the world landscape into warfare and the death of people. That's simply ****ED UP.
Some of you really need to get your head's checked.
Sorry but if a government commits a crime and lies to its own people and the world then the whistle should blown and those responsible punished. Funny how America condones this kind of thing when it happens to other countries it doesnt like but when it happens to them it is suddenly bad.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.08 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 08/12/2010 12:20:58 Internet hacktivists are claiming to have brought down the Mastercard website as revenge for the firm withdrawing services to Wikileaks.
The Anonymous group of hackers have also brought down the website of the Swedish prosecutors office which is pursuing founder Julian Assange.
It has pledged to launch denial-of-service attacks on websites it sees as anti-Wikileaks.
Earlier it hit the Swiss bank that froze Mr Assange's assets.
PayPal, which has stopped processing donations to Wikileaks, has also been targeted.
Anonymous is a loose-knit group of hacktivists, with links to the notorious message board 4chan.
4chan is now at war LOL
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.08 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Have they endangered national security? No, not likely. Have they damanged the USA? undoubtedly. How? They have disclosed a lot of people in war zones that are friendly to the US and western interests. The enemy can read and take action and this will make it much harder to recruit CI's in the future.
That's why things stay classified. No one has the RIGHT to read this stuff. It's classified to protect the USA's national interest the same reason that every other country on earth classifies certain things. Anyone saying this is a freedom of speech issue needs to have their head checked - STAT. Freedom of speech, like all other rights is NOT absolute - and I'm saying that as a HUGE fan of freedom of speach. Every country in the world has classified information. That doesn't mean that's it's covering up some nefarious crimes or anything.
But yes Tarantula most of this stuff is just boring banter but there is no doubt that Assange WANTS to damage the USA. What he is really doing is exposing people to vengeance from the Taliban and/or Al Quaeda. That's the nexus of it.
Apparently Assange doesn't care.
It's also apparent that a lot of people's political leanings are preventing them from seeing what is blindingly obvious.
Is this what fox news is going with now?
Nothing given out so far will result in world war three, or terrorist attacks. Also the leaks are not just digging out dirt on the USA. It turns out that Blair decided to go to war in Iraq 18 months before the parliment vote which blows everything he said at the inquest out of the water. Now we hear he has been ordered back to the inquest to answer further questions.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.08 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Quote: It turns out that Blair decided to go to war in Iraq 18 months before the parliment vote which blows everything he said at the inquest out of the water. Now we hear he has been ordered back to the inquest to answer further questions.
lol who cares?
One of Americas most important allies?
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.08 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
ABSO****INGLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FREE SPEECH.
You are right. Its to do with a free media.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.08 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Now THAT is a whole different can of worms. I think we can all agree that there is no such thing.
Maby not over in the USA but it is out there.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.08 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 08/12/2010 22:51:32 Edited by: Astenion on 08/12/2010 22:50:44
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Astenion
Now THAT is a whole different can of worms. I think we can all agree that there is no such thing.
Maby not over in the USA but it is out there.
Ha! Where? Twitter? Blogs? Facebook? Not the press, my friend.
BBC, Dispatures, several UK newspapers have done some very good investigations, then there are the indipendent reporters. Just recently there has been the rory peck awards which once again had some very good reporting.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.08 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Don't even mention the BBC. They are a good source of news and less corrupt than the others, but that by no means means they aren't biased, and they're incredibly biased against the US.
Linkage
You see, I'm American but I live in Europe. Our news agencies here are no more balanced than American news agencies, you just happen to agree with what they have to say.
If America doesnt want bad press then it shouldnt do bad things.
Also linking CBS doesnt give you much of a leg to stand on. Its like linking the mirror to get your news on a tory government.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.09 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 09/12/2010 09:08:38
Originally by: Astenion This is what I was trying to link Baltec.
Linkage
Everyone knows the Bush administration deserves every bit of derision it gets, but derision shouldn't be coming from any news source, and the BBC dished it out daily. Again, I watch the BBC but I am not blind to its political leanings and neither should you be.
Again thats not something I would base an arguement on. He goes on about how the beeb supported the kosovo war over the iraq war because a blue was in charge of the white house. He skips the fact that kosovo was the sight of a gonocide while the second iraq war was proven to be based upon lies at worst or bad intel at best before the war even started.
The BBC is not anti America, its just that America has a nasty habbit of doing some rather bad and stupid things. Like for example their reactions to wikileaks as very action they have made to combat the leaks has just made it worse for them.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.10 09:36:00 -
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And in todays twist...
Burma may be building missile and nuclear sites in remote locations with support from North Korea, according to secret US cables released by Wikileaks.
As for the man himself:
Secretary of Defence Robert Gates has said the leaked diplomatic cables were embarrassing but would have only "modest" consequences for US foreign policy.
In addition, in November Mr Assange contacted US Ambassador in London Louis Susman asking for help redacting information that could put individuals at risk. When the US government refused, Mr Assange wrote he therefore concluded the risk of harm was "fanciful" while stating he had no interest in hurting US national security.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.11 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
My eyes are brown moron - and you obviously don't know ****. You sit back wrapping yourself smuggly in your own prejudices mindlessly casting aspersions on those you don't like. You don't like the US - so anything we do you see as a chance to attack us. Well - if you live in a free country - you owe your freedom to US.
The Law - protects the innocent and punishes the guilty. It is the law that protects freedom of the press - and the law that punishes abuse of it. Of course it isn't perfect - but then neither are you. You are an example of why the law isn't perfect - because as an imperfect human being - you make mistakes - and the people who administer the law - make mistakes too. One of the mistakes that has been made for decades is a liberalization of the court system that has let people come to think that nothing bad will happen to them no matter what they do.
Publishing state secrets - gives them to our enemies - giving secrets to our enemies - is espionage - and should be punished severely.
What I want is for the Law to be enforced - and for this ass hole to go to jail (I'd rather he was hung but jail is all I'm likely to get).
Receipt of stolen property - is a crime.
Receipt of stolen secrets is a crime or should be - and everyone who has published it is guilty of passing it on.
We've got the little **** for the moment - I hope we at least put him in jail for the rest of his life - oh and as for any other people who have published those secrets - they should be prosecuted too.
If you don't like it - you can just go to hell.
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So you think governments are above the law. Nice to know you support North Korea
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nyu Shin NMAtv, wtf ? WikiLeaks keeps on publishing despite arrest
I wish my news was like this
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.12 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
... Stuff I said ...
So you think governments are above the law. Nice to know you support North Korea
Idiot.
There is nowhere in any of my posts I said the government was above the law - and if you had paid the slightest bit of attention to the news in the US you'd see any number of government officials and military personnel who have been brought up on charges for any number of things.
I am for the Law. This guy has committed a crime by publishing US secrets - he should go to jail (or be hung ...).
But he has not committed a crime. He has simply done what any other media organisation would have done if they were given the USAs dirty secrets. If this was china or north korea it had happened to the USA would be calling him a hero. Your posts smack of "my country can do no wrong and must never have its secrets exposed for the world too see"
Welcome to the free world, we hope you enjoy your stay.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.12 15:08:00 -
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This may come as a shock to you Toshiro but US laws on espionage (which will not hold up in court according to most lawyers and judges) do not reach outside of the united states and in Europe he has broken no laws. Acording to your post, just about every single media outlet in Europe should be shut down as a spy agency.
He was GIVEN these documents and even asked the USA what they wanted redacted. The USA refused to help so he gave access to several media orgaisations who are still sifting through the papers removing names and papers which might result in deaths.
Its ironic how people who bang on about how America is a beacon of freedom are so quick to defend it in stopping a free press across the globe when it doesnt suit them.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.14 09:26:00 -
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In the uk, it was a leak that brought to light the abuse of the expences system. Every party was doing it and without the leak it would never have been known that it was happening. Because of the leak the people found abusing the system were madeto pay back all themoney they took from the taxpayer.
We need people to bring the crimes of governments to light because no government will ever let out info thats shows them breaking laws. Most of the things comming out of these reports are either harmless stuff everyone already knows to do with other nations, such as Burma working on missile launch sites and nuke research sites or good things like the pope helping to free the captured british marine in Iran.
They are not US naval deployments, or nuke codes or a list of US spies in Lybia and while espionage is a crime wikileaks cannot be charged with it because they did not commit it. It has brought out the info like any other media organisation has done countless times over the decades. Your calls to silence the free press of the world falls in line with countries such as Iran and China.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.14 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
1) American laws are NOT subject to the nationality of the people who have committed espionage against us.
2) He is in receipt of stolen secrets - which makes him as guilty as the person who stole them.
3) NO. He does NOT have the right to publish whatever he wants.
1. American law does not extend into Europe
2. Wikileaks is publishing these documents as a media organisation as are several other media outlets, this is perfectly legal in Europe and happens all of the time.
3. He is within his rights under European laws to publish these leaks to the general public.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.14 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks U.S. Air Force blocks Internet access to NYT, Guardian and 23 other sites posting WikiLeaks documents - Reuters
Taliban group issues new ban on sale of music
Looks like America is well on the way to losing its right to call itself a free and fair nation.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.15 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
But - for you to take anything I said - and attribute that to all American's - what does that say about you?
We are not saying all Americans are like you. We are saying its people like you who give Americans a bad name.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.15 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
His actions are damaging the US' ability to conduct foriegn policy, there are also security issues, not only national, but global.
You honestly think the rest of the planets governments didnt already know about all of this? Given that a Private managed to drop this load of documents into the hands of a media orgaisation.
The USA is not going to be bombed over these leaks in the same way that the afghan papers led to zero deaths and the petagon leaks on Nam also did not result in any deaths. The BBC has been running in some of the worst places in the world and very very few people have been killed over what they have reported.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.15 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 15/12/2010 19:13:02
Quote: You honestly think the rest of the planets governments didnĘt already know about all of this? Given that a Private managed to drop this load of documents into the hands of a media organization.
That's not the big pictureą
Future cooperation of world governments is jeopardized due to such leaks. Not just for the USA either, pretty much the Western world.
Everyone knows America leaks like a sieve. Same as nobody is shocked when an MP leaves a laptop on the train. The differnece is that most countries do not go into a rage and make the situation even worse by trying to silence the free press and going on a witch hunt. Even Iran has managed to take the steam out of the situation.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.15 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
You havent even read the leaks have you?
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baltec1
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Posted - 2010.12.18 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: So Sensational Taxes are alright if done right, proportional taxation where what you pay is what you get. I.e. if you own a car you pay taxes to fix the roads, if you ride the subway you don't have to. Blanket taxation, especially that which is not equal (Such as income tax), is pure evil.
That person might only use the subway to get to work but roads will still play an important part in their life. Now lets not get ourselves sidetracked.
Today we learn:
Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir has been accused of siphoning off up to $9bn (ś5.6bn; 7bn euros) of his country's funds by the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC).
Luis Moreno Ocampo told the BBC that President Bashir had hidden the money in personal accounts outside Sudan.
Mr Ocampo's suspicions originally came to light when a diplomatic cable obtained by Wikileaks was published by the Guardian newspaper.
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