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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Waterboard
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Posted - 2010.12.10 22:29:00 -
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anti-terrorist officers scare 12 year old
Today this, yesterday 16 year old script kiddie and a few weeks ago tear gas attack against protesting children in Germany.
Something is wrong here. Somebody is really scared.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.10 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks anti-terrorist officers scare 12 year old
Today this, yesterday 16 year old script kiddie and a few weeks ago tear gas attack against protesting children in Germany.
Something is wrong here. Somebody is really scared.
Been a lot of focus on US, but UK is also pretty bad lately. Seen police stamping hard down on anything the last few years.
And yeas, something is wrong. The Government is no longer here for the people, it now considered itself separate. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.12.10 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Lot of people (groupies) really like faces. People are weak and projecting their hopes on a person.
Maybe little bit less of the face would be good, who knows:
Less Assange more WikiLeaks#1
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Less Assange more WikiLeaks #2
Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Less Assange more WikiLeaks #3
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.10 23:04:00 -
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One county's hero is another county's info-terrorist. USA is lauding Liu Xiaobo with a nobel prize on top as a cherry. China is doing an emo rage against this. USA is branding Julian Assange USA's most wanted. While countries that want to poke USA in the ribs are lauding Assange as a crusader.
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Nyu Shin
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Posted - 2010.12.11 00:35:00 -
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Closed Leaks - infowar foot soldier summarizes
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Tora Nevaal
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Posted - 2010.12.11 04:21:00 -
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Looks like it's about time to start the revolution. I'll go get my gas mask.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.11 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tora Nevaal Looks like it's about time to start the revolution. I'll go get my gas mask.
Sorry, I borrowed yours on a non-temporary basis. Woops. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nyu Shin Closed Leaks - infowar foot soldier summarizes
nice one á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:52:00 -
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Assange moved to isolation in UK jail
Posting in the "week in jail without bail or evidence for a one night stand" thread...
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.12.11 13:28:00 -
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1) Each nation has a right to protect itself and it's secrets. They do that by arresting, imprisoning and sometimes executing those that have violated their laws against espionage. I.E. - Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for giving our nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union.
2) Stating that a nations laws should be enforced and how they should be enforced - is not hate - it is a demand for justice. If the laws concerning a crime of espionage include execution - then calling for that penalty to be imposed is appropriate. Now - that doesn't mean I think that's going to happen. But - the fact that people think they can just do any damn thing they please and not suffer any consequences - needs to be changed. Making an example of someone - by inflicting upon them the full force of the law and the strongest punishment for breaking that law lets other people know - that they can be punished for breaking that law. Now here, I'm assuming that execution is still a penalty, though it might not be.
People who have the silly idea - that execution is to harsh - are woefully ignorant of the law and it's historical precedents. During WWII Battle of The Bulge - enemy soldiers were caught wearing the uniforms of American soldiers, for the purpose of infiltrating their lines and committing sabotage. These people were given summary trials - and shot.
Anyone making a protest of imposing this penalty on someone found guilty of committing espionage - simply does not understand the seriousness of that crime. Virtually ALL nations throughout history have reserved the right to execute spies.
What is happening right now is being treated as a joke. It is NOT a joke. It is serious. When nations secrets are exposed to their enemies or the public - people can die because of that. People who are trying to defend the freedoms of speech and our legal rights - are having that made more difficult by people exposing our secrets.
It is NOT advocating Lynching to call for someone who has committed Espionage to be hung. Lynching is done without a legal trial. Those accused of espionage - are given a fair trial - and if convicted (as far as I know) can be executed.
Acting appalled at the idea that spies might die for what they have done is - just silly - and a complete lack of understanding of the seriousness of what has been done here.
3) Freedom of Speech - is NO excuse to break the law or commit espionage. You do NOT have a right to say anything you want - and the courts are full of examples of this. You can't cry "Fire!" in a crowded theater and cause a panic which gets hundreds of people trampled. You cannot libel someone. You cannot reveal government secrets with out being guilty of a crime. The person who turned over the secrets - is in jail - and will probably spend the rest of his life there. Yes - I think he should be hung too - but they usually don't do that any more.
4) I am happy this guy is in jail - but I would not want him put there if he was innocent. What he is in jail for now - is something between himself and the Swedish Legal System. One of the levers that law enforcement uses to prosecute people who have committed crimes - is arresting them for crimes they have committed - and then once they have them in custody - working to establish a case against them for a more serious crime. Here - you have at least 2 crimes. A minor infraction that gets them arrested - and a more serious offense they will also be charged with but which may take more time to bring charges for.
5) As to the American Judicial System and fairness ... how many of you know - that Osama Bin Laden - was offered to the United States by the government of Sudan - but we wouldn't take him - because we didn't have our legal work done. We were working on it - but we didn't have a legal right at that time to accept him as a prisoner - so - Sudan let him go to Afghanistan - where he organized 9/11. We are fair to a fault.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.12.11 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nyu Shin Closed Leaks - infowar foot soldier summarizes
Worse than Fox news. "And all the while WikiLeaks and Cablegate continue to be front page headlines in big black print around the globe. It's the end of the US empire." What a tard.
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Baneken
Gallente School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.12.11 14:35:00 -
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Got to love the blue eye ignorance of Americans like Toshiro's for still thinking that their government could do no wrong or that the government would care about laws if they can get away with it ...
Besides you can't blame wikileaks & Assange for espionage when they are only publishing material from their source (the actual spy), if they would had caught Assange red handed stealing information it might be different. You case would be pretty much on premises of accusing a new paper and it's head editor for publishing news that people should know but (your US) government doesn't like. Knowledge about german death camps was also highly classified but not released to general public until it was too late to cover it up but hey those guys should hang for telling the public about that. As for those so called **** are charges they are with labels of "not using condom while having sex" which in hardly call for a case of an international arrest warrant ? Nordic countries give out those orders extremely rarely we even had serial killer loose for 3 weeks for killing 5 people over a bicycle in Sweden and no public "international warrant" what so ever was given.
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Nyu Shin
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Posted - 2010.12.11 15:43:00 -
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Freedom vs. Terrorism
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.12.11 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Baneken Got to love the blue eye ignorance of Americans like Toshiro's for still thinking that their government could do no wrong or that the government would care about laws if they can get away with it ...
Besides you can't blame wikileaks & Assange for espionage when they are only publishing material from their source (the actual spy), if they would had caught Assange red handed stealing information it might be different. You case would be pretty much on premises of accusing a new paper and it's head editor for publishing news that people should know but (your US) government doesn't like. Knowledge about german death camps was also highly classified but not released to general public until it was too late to cover it up but hey those guys should hang for telling the public about that. As for those so called **** are charges they are with labels of "not using condom while having sex" which in hardly call for a case of an international arrest warrant ? Nordic countries give out those orders extremely rarely we even had serial killer loose for 3 weeks for killing 5 people over a bicycle in Sweden and no public "international warrant" what so ever was given.
My eyes are brown moron - and you obviously don't know ****. You sit back wrapping yourself smuggly in your own prejudices mindlessly casting aspersions on those you don't like. You don't like the US - so anything we do you see as a chance to attack us. Well - if you live in a free country - you owe your freedom to US.
The Law - protects the innocent and punishes the guilty. It is the law that protects freedom of the press - and the law that punishes abuse of it. Of course it isn't perfect - but then neither are you. You are an example of why the law isn't perfect - because as an imperfect human being - you make mistakes - and the people who administer the law - make mistakes too. One of the mistakes that has been made for decades is a liberalization of the court system that has let people come to think that nothing bad will happen to them no matter what they do.
Publishing state secrets - gives them to our enemies - giving secrets to our enemies - is espionage - and should be punished severely.
What I want is for the Law to be enforced - and for this ass hole to go to jail (I'd rather he was hung but jail is all I'm likely to get).
Receipt of stolen property - is a crime.
Receipt of stolen secrets is a crime or should be - and everyone who has published it is guilty of passing it on.
We've got the little **** for the moment - I hope we at least put him in jail for the rest of his life - oh and as for any other people who have published those secrets - they should be prosecuted too.
If you don't like it - you can just go to hell.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.11 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
My eyes are brown moron - and you obviously don't know ****. You sit back wrapping yourself smuggly in your own prejudices mindlessly casting aspersions on those you don't like. You don't like the US - so anything we do you see as a chance to attack us. Well - if you live in a free country - you owe your freedom to US.
The Law - protects the innocent and punishes the guilty. It is the law that protects freedom of the press - and the law that punishes abuse of it. Of course it isn't perfect - but then neither are you. You are an example of why the law isn't perfect - because as an imperfect human being - you make mistakes - and the people who administer the law - make mistakes too. One of the mistakes that has been made for decades is a liberalization of the court system that has let people come to think that nothing bad will happen to them no matter what they do.
Publishing state secrets - gives them to our enemies - giving secrets to our enemies - is espionage - and should be punished severely.
What I want is for the Law to be enforced - and for this ass hole to go to jail (I'd rather he was hung but jail is all I'm likely to get).
Receipt of stolen property - is a crime.
Receipt of stolen secrets is a crime or should be - and everyone who has published it is guilty of passing it on.
We've got the little **** for the moment - I hope we at least put him in jail for the rest of his life - oh and as for any other people who have published those secrets - they should be prosecuted too.
If you don't like it - you can just go to hell.
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So you think governments are above the law. Nice to know you support North Korea
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.12.11 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ava Starfire on 11/12/2010 18:46:56 In a nutshell, keeping people totally in the dark is OK. Good to know. We dont have a right to know about human rights issues, criminal acts of politicians, or war crimes. I am happy some upstanding Americans are so stoic in their defense of our government. It makes me feel fuzzy...
Comparing the Battle of the Bulge to America's response to WikiLeaks is pretty lame. How about we compare America's attempt to cover the whole thing up to the Holocaust, because if governments are so justified in doing whatever must be done to protect their "security" then the murder of millions of people must have been OK, right?
Edit Ahhh, I just noticed the comment about "if you live in a free country, you owe your freedom to US". Wow. That is pretty awesome, actually. 7/10 for you, cause no way you can be serious unless your brain has been replaced by a slightly overripe eggplant.
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Nyu Shin
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Posted - 2010.12.11 18:43:00 -
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NMAtv, wtf ? WikiLeaks keeps on publishing despite arrest
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nyu Shin NMAtv, wtf ? WikiLeaks keeps on publishing despite arrest
I wish my news was like this
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Tora Nevaal
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Posted - 2010.12.11 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
If you don't like it - you can just go to hell.
Look dude, I know that you're just trolling and that's cool and all, but please stop making all Americans look like raging a-holes. It's already difficult enough to travel abroad, don't make in any worse.
And the US has already stated that Assange and wikileaks have broken no laws.
And I personally am very proud of my blue eyes; they're my most striking feature.
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Betty Boom
Caldari SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.12 00:03:00 -
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Here the map of freedom of speech. Really funny, where are the most dots.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.12.12 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Betty Boom Here the map of freedom of speech. Really funny, where are the most dots.
The cute little dot next to Madagascar is the island of Mauritius. I can never remember which one is Reunion, but that's the island to the left of it. Someday I really need to go sail there...
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2010.12.12 01:05:00 -
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Assange kept in the same cell once occupied by Oscar Wilde
It is most probably a fake information...but in this case I hope the responsible authority demonstrated a bit of british humor :-)
by Oscar Wilde:
A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal.
Illusion is the first of all pleasures.
No good deed goes unpunished
Society often forgives the criminal; it never forgives the dreamer.
It is in the brain, and the brain only, that the great sins of the world take place.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2010.12.12 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Betty Boom Here the map of freedom of speech. Really funny, where are the most dots.
Netherlands ? I like the wikileaks.relaxman.nl domain :-)
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.12.12 01:55:00 -
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Map of freedom of speech made me laugh hideously.
WTG Europe
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.12.12 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Assange kept in the same cell once occupied by Oscar Wilde
It is most probably a fake information...but in this case I hope the responsible authority demonstrated a bit of british humor :-)
by Oscar Wilde:
A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal.
Illusion is the first of all pleasures.
No good deed goes unpunished
Society often forgives the criminal; it never forgives the dreamer.
It is in the brain, and the brain only, that the great sins of the world take place.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
That post made this whole ragefest worth it, too bad it won't get mentioned in the press the mob is tuned in to.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.12.12 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
... Stuff I said ...
So you think governments are above the law. Nice to know you support North Korea
Idiot.
There is nowhere in any of my posts I said the government was above the law - and if you had paid the slightest bit of attention to the news in the US you'd see any number of government officials and military personnel who have been brought up on charges for any number of things.
I am for the Law. This guy has committed a crime by publishing US secrets - he should go to jail (or be hung ...).
Originally by: Tora Nevaal Edited by: Tora Nevaal on 11/12/2010 21:30:25
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
If you don't like it - you can just go to hell.
Look dude, I know that you're just trolling and that's cool and all, but please stop making all Americans look like raging a-holes. It's already difficult enough to travel abroad, don't make in any worse.
Regardless the US has already stated that Assange and wikileaks have broken no laws.
And I personally am very proud of my blue eyes; they're my most striking feature.
No I'm not trolling though you always have people trolling the US. The fact of the matter is much of the world is jealous of our power and wealth - and bad mouth us every chance they get. They are the raging ass holes - and there's nothing any of us are going to do to shut them up. They hate us - and I am tired of their crap.
And NO the US had NOT said that he has broken no laws - what they ARE doing is trying to figure out how to prosecute him using the laws we have. The problem here - is that this particular type of crime has not been committed that often before - so as with much of Internet Legislation - they don't have specific laws designed to cover exactly this. That does NOT mean that there aren't laws that can be applied or that he has not committed a crime - it just means that they have to use laws that were not drafted with the Internet in mind to prosecute him - until new laws can be written which deal more specifically with such offenses.
And yeah ... blue eyes are fine ... mine are just brown.
It actually is amazing that anyone has any sympathy for this guy. He has clearly committed a crime.
Suppose he got hold of some authors new novel and posted it on the internet. Would that be OK? No. It wouldn't.
Mostly - holders of copy rights are satisfied with suing the person or merely having the material they have illegally posted taken down.
Government Secrets are more important than that. Peoples lives may be lost because of the loss of these secrets. There are any number of historical cases where in Spies have cost people their lives.
Right now - the US is at war. We are killing people who are killing our people. And this little **** - doesn't like us - so he's going to just post our secrets on the internet - where our enemies can read them. That is why I hope he hangs. He won't but I can hope. He has attacked my country by revealing some of it's secrets and I would very much like to see him dead.
The thing here is - here ... on the internet - you have a large community of people who are very much into being anti-authority. The Authorities won't let them hack computer programs and give them all away for free. They won't let them hack other peoples computers and mess with them for the fun of it. They won't let them rob other people through their computers. And these anti-authority people just love it when anyone for any reason tweaks the tail of any authority.
Well - tweaking the tail of a tiger can have serious consequences.
And yes - a lot of this does come down to whose side you are on. If you support terrorists who intentionally target innocent people in order to terrorize them - then of course you're going to support guys like this.
If you're not an idiot - then you support seeing people such as this punished to the full extent of the law.
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Betty Boom
Caldari SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.12 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
No I'm not trolling though you always have people trolling the US. The fact of the matter is much of the world is jealous of our power and wealth - and bad mouth us every chance they get. They are the raging ass holes - and there's nothing any of us are going to do to shut them up. They hate us - and I am tired of their crap.
USA is bankcrupt. Without paycheck from China you could fire a single bullet. Every american gave out more then $100 every month then he work for and this over decades. (look your trade defict). You are trolling
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And yeah ... blue eyes are fine ... mine are just brown.
my eyes are green, brown with a bit grey in the centre.
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It actually is amazing that anyone has any sympathy for this guy. He has clearly committed a crime.
A crime that you can not tell us the law that he broke. Publishing secret documents in the USA was never illegal. (Watergate, Pentagon papers etc)
Quote: Right now - the US is at war. We are killing people who are killing our people. And this little **** - doesn't like us - so he's going to just post our secrets on the internet - where our enemies can read them. That is why I hope he hangs. He won't but I can hope. He has attacked my country by revealing some of it's secrets and I would very much like to see him dead.
To lie is not patriotic.
Quote: And yes - a lot of this does come down to whose side you are on. If you support terrorists who intentionally target innocent people in order to terrorize them - then of course you're going to support guys like this.
Are you still believe there are weapon of mass decruction in Iraq ? USA killed like 1,5 Million innocent people in Iraq (UN datas). Iraq and ****** ******* had nothing to do with terrorists. So you support War criminal and mass murders in uniform.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.12.12 04:10:00 -
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I am so happy.
I just figured out why the rest of the world hates Americans.
Thanks a lot.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.12 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 12/12/2010 04:40:30 The funny thing is, most of this boils down to "This is my room. In my room, I make the law. The law is you do not tell other people about illegal or otherwise immoral things I do in my room. Should you break this law outside of my room, you will still be held accountable" _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.12.12 04:44:00 -
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Dear Betty,
You've no idea what you are talking about - except your eye color - which is probably Hazel.
1) Being bankrupt is when you have no money and no one will lend you any. 2) Espionage is the crime - what part of did you miss? Publishing secret documents in the US has always been illegal. Look more closely into the cases you've cited and you will see that. 3) Lies are common place in diplomacy and war - you don't tell your enemy what you are going to do. 4) Do you know what a WMD is? There were WMD's in Iraq and the weapons inspectors found them continually. The only question is - did we find them all before we invaded? That however was not the real issue. The real issue was - why did we wait all that time to do what we should have done ten years earlier? We should have invaded Iraq during the first part of the Gulf War - and removed it's leader from power THEN. The thing that was wrong - was that it took 9/11 to give us the impetus to do what we already should have done.
5) The UN does NOT have figures stating that the American's killed 1.5 Million Innocent people. Most of the people the US killed - were terrorists - who job it is to kill innocent people. Terrorists live to kill innocent people. The US has kill innocent people accidentally - but when we do - we feel bad about it and try to do what we can for their families - such as the reparations we paid for shooting down an Iranian Air Liner - because we thought it was an F14 that was attacking us. People make mistakes and when you are at war mistakes can kill people you did not intend to kill - such as our own troops. BUT - when WE do that - is is a mistake. When the terrorist do that - it is a success. If you cannot tell the difference it is because you are so wrapped up in your hatred for people who are better off and more powerful than yours - that you can't see what is right and what is wrong.
Oh ... and as I said - THAT is why people hate the US.
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