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Rommah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.08 11:16:00 -
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Hello.. Im hoping to bring this issue into public attention. A while ago I remember the learning skills were something like (X5) or (X8) Then they were wrought down to (X3) to make it more noobie friendly and what not. I swallowed that with a thought it will make eve grow. Now that CCP has decided to remove learning all together, I feel slightly sour on this. I realize Im loosing an advantage I had, but thats not an issue. X3 skills take considerably less time to train to lvl 5 than X5 or X8. The difference is literally goes into a monthly figure...
How do I go around in making this public so that we are fairly compensated?
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.12.08 11:54:00 -
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you get all the SP back that you put into learning skills. that is a fair compensation. that you had to train longer for them doesnt really matter.
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Rommah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.08 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rommah on 08/12/2010 12:12:53 You are missing the point... I spent 1,280,000 SP to get a single advanced learning skill to lvl 5 when it was x5. (6,400,000 SP for a set of 5) Now since the learning skills have been nerfed to x3, one advanced skill maxed is worth 768,000 SP. Thats a 512,000 SP difference! Times 5 for all advanced learning skills equals 2,560,000 SP ripoff... Im sorry mate, but two and a half million SP calls for a second thought.
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.08 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rommah Edited by: Rommah on 08/12/2010 12:12:53 You are missing the point... I spent 1,280,000 SP to get a single advanced learning skill to lvl 5 when it was x5. (6,400,000 SP for a set of 5) Now since the learning skills have been nerfed to x3, one advanced skill maxed is worth 768,000 SP. Thats a 512,000 SP difference! Times 5 for all advanced learning skills equals 2,560,000 SP ripoff... Im sorry mate, but two and a half million SP calls for a second thought.
If that's so it definitely has to be considered. I don't think that CCP keeps logs of WHEN you trained a skill so how are they to determin who should receive a compensation? Sure enough, there IS a log, your training history but does it go all the way back to the start of eve? I doubt that.
Supported but you would need to find a way to determin who deserves the extra compensation.
Laxyr
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.08 13:41:00 -
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Considering that was more than two years ago (since they have always been x1 and x3 as far as I can remember) I think the statute of limitations on whining for compensation for lost skill points has passed. You should have done it then. --Vel
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.08 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Laxyr on 08/12/2010 14:12:15
Originally by: De'Veldrin Considering that was more than two years ago (since they have always been x1 and x3 as far as I can remember) I think the statute of limitations on whining for compensation for lost skill points has passed. You should have done it then.
CCP wants to compensate you for the time it took you to train the skill and they are doing so by returning the skillpoints you aquired. Since the amount of skillpoints determines (in general) how long it takes for you to train a skill they are infact compensationg you for the time it took you to train the skill.
If it took you more time in 2005 to train that skill you should be compensated for that accordingly. I'm not implying that we should factor in attribute values etc. because the differences would be so ridiculessly small compared to the Learning SPs as a whole. 2,5 mil on the other hand constitute a considerable amount of time that was sunk into those skills. By removing those sps CCP did basically undo the last 3rd or so of your training and left your overall Sp in a state as if you hadn't trained anything in that time. I think people have asked for a compensation back then but obviously they haven't gotten it. I don't even know if I would be one of those cases but I do support the proposal nonetheless
Again: I do not know if it's even possible to determine who is entitled to get the extra compensation.
Regards, Lax
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2010.12.08 15:21:00 -
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+1 He has a point, he is totally right. I dont know why there is such a rush after so many years to get rid of the learning skills so fast.
Of course it might be difficult to find a fair way to compensate the right way, but i am pretty sure this is possible, if you just want to do that and if you want to care for long year customers.
/supported
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steave435
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.08 16:54:00 -
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Supported, but at the same time, this must have been changed a very long time ago, so the people that trained it then have probabaly gained a lot more SP out of them already, so I don't see it as a huge issue.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2010.12.08 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 08/12/2010 17:42:02 I'm with De on this.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2010.12.08 19:26:00 -
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Adv Learning have always been rank 3 and basic Learning have been rank 1 since 2004 and probably always were rank 1.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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PhoenixDawn
Forge Regional Security United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.12.08 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian Adv Learning have always been rank 3 and basic Learning have been rank 1 since 2004 and probably always were rank 1.
I am tending to agree here with this fellow... But I /do/ seem to remember that the basic learning skills were at one time rather insane to train. There were huge threads on how soon you could recoup the time spent to train 'Learning' to 5 (which, IIRC, was a month at one time). It's one of the reasons I left off the advanced skills for years until I suddenly noticed that they were x3 and not so difficult to get up.
I have not a clue when they made such changes but it was likely sometime around the Exodus (an expansion that was anything but) release.
So, the answer is simple: Find out when the skills were changed (if they actually were), and credit anyone older than that with the old points levels and anyone younger with the modified totals.
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EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.12.09 02:55:00 -
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I support this. You can probably file a petition for this already. CCRES is recruiting pilots who want to live in WSpace/Wormholes. Fill out an application here! |
Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.12.09 03:03:00 -
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seems remarkably unfair not to compensate accordingly.
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.12.09 03:07:00 -
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Supported, but realistically, it probably won't get fixed.
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 03:11:00 -
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Would be unfair not to fix this, CCP I know you can check skill completion dates. Refund skill points based on the rank when it was trained and not the current rank! __________________________
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.09 10:31:00 -
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I'd like to see some evidence apart from your unsupported and rather vague recollection that the advanced learnings were ever anything other than Rank 3
From your own account, you cant even remember this clearly enough to remember what rank you think they were. Are you sure you're not confusing this with some proposed-but-never-made-it-to-TQ tier 3 learning skills?
In short: proof or STFU
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2010.12.09 11:24:00 -
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Everyone is getting the same mate.
5M effective skill points ( attribute boost + reallocatable sp ).
All that changed in learning skill was the pre-req for training the advanced skills iirc. Used to be higher than it is at present.
I'm pretty sure they never changed the multiplier. Cause if they had, players would have raged about there sp loss back then.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.09 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: PhoenixDawn I am tending to agree here with this fellow... But I /do/ seem to remember that the basic learning skills were at one time rather insane to train.
The only change done to the learning skills in the past is that the requirement to train the advanced ones was reduced from basic learning 5 to 4. Nothing else.
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.12.09 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I'd like to see some evidence apart from your unsupported and rather vague recollection that the advanced learnings were ever anything other than Rank 3
From your own account, you cant even remember this clearly enough to remember what rank you think they were. Are you sure you're not confusing this with some proposed-but-never-made-it-to-TQ tier 3 learning skills?
In short: proof or STFU
/This
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Rommah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.13 06:14:00 -
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Im hoping someone has an old screenshot of the skills confirming or disproving my claim... :( I cant be that confused...
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:33:00 -
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The OP is wrong, all I trained at the start was learning. As I hit level 5 on the first tier rank 1 skills, the second tier rank 3 skills came into the game. 28th of Nov 2004.
The only change they made, was to reduce the requisite from level 5 to level 4 for the second tier.
They never changed the rank of the second tier, it was always Rank 3 on TQ.
Here is a link to a learning skills post back then.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
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Mujahadeenah
Minmatar Recon Research Academy Minmatar Australia
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:17:00 -
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Yes I support it.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Self Preservation Society the 2nd Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mujahadeenah Yes I support it.
You didn't read the whole thread did you? Especially the post right above yours that proves the OP was laughably wrong.
So now he's wrong and you're look like an idiot.
Anyone else want to necro a stupid thread without reading all of it? --Vel
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