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Cesar Menage
MenageTech
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Posted - 2010.12.10 08:45:00 -
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My EveMon just doesnt work any more keeps crashing. Is there any other program that we can use to keep track of what we want to train Next?? Had to drop my 0.02 ISK in. We sell anything that we can make a buck on |
Camroc V
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Posted - 2010.12.10 11:39:00 -
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If any of your character have the ORE Industrial skill paused, it causes evemon to crash, if so, just remove it from the skill plan then loadup evemon again.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.10 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cesar Menage My EveMon just doesnt work any more keeps crashing. Is there any other program that we can use to keep track of what we want to train Next??
Expect a new update on the 14th once the learning skills are removed.
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Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2010.12.10 12:07:00 -
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The issue with the paused ORE industrial skill in skill queue has been resolved in the latest snapshot version (third link on the left in main EVEMon page). DL that, close EVEMon, extract files in your EVEMon installation folder and restart EVEMon.
You could have better support though if you addressed your issues in the official EVEMon forum.
On behalf of The EVEMon Dev Team
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.12.10 12:24:00 -
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Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
Victory.
(Seriously, guys, not rocket science. If you need a computer program to do your skill plan you should probably give up now, since you're not remotely smart enough to grasp the calculations involved in combat. Or breathe.) ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
That's the way I still do it. Never relied on any add-on that makes playing the game easier, they just tend to make players lazy.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
That's the way I still do it. Never relied on any add-on that makes playing the game easier, they just tend to make players lazy.
That's beyond silly. Seriously. EVEMON is a fantastic add-on. If planning ahead makes one lazy, then I plead guilty. --
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Forum Guy
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
That's the way I still do it. Never relied on any add-on that makes playing the game easier, they just tend to make players lazy.
That's beyond silly. Seriously. EVEMON is a fantastic add-on. If planning ahead makes one lazy, then I plead guilty.
I plan ahead, but prefer to do it myself.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Forum Guy
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
That's the way I still do it. Never relied on any add-on that makes playing the game easier, they just tend to make players lazy.
That's beyond silly. Seriously. EVEMON is a fantastic add-on. If planning ahead makes one lazy, then I plead guilty.
I plan ahead, but prefer to do it myself.
I knew you'd say that. :) But, seriously, you make a 1-year plan, using nothing but your own mind? Impressive -- be it implausible. And try calculating a neural remap based on a year plan, all by yourself. I suppose you're against the use of EFT then, too. Well, I'm not. I love both programs! I'm not a walking calculator; nor have any plans to become one. --
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cesar Menage My EveMon just doesnt work any more keeps crashing. Is there any other program that we can use to keep track of what we want to train Next??
Excel or OOCalc
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei I knew you'd say that. :) But, seriously, you make a 1-year plan, using nothing but your own mind? Impressive -- be it implausible. And try calculating a neural remap based on a year plan, all by yourself. I suppose you're against the use of EFT then, too. Well, I'm not. I love both programs! I'm not a walking calculator; nor have any plans to become one.
That's the good thing about this game it allows you to think if you let it. Where games like WoW for the most part are just mindless fun.
As for EFT, yeah I've never used it. Only thing I will use is Vent/TS.
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Jerry Navigator
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:50:00 -
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I use evemon, eft and evehq. So I am lazy like hell These programs are fantastic. However, I use 3 different computers to plan my trainings/fittings. It would be nice to have some kind of web based synchronization, so change on computer A would be automatically uploaded when I use computer B.
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Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Navigator I use evemon, eft and evehq. So I am lazy like hell These programs are fantastic. However, I use 3 different computers to plan my trainings/fittings. It would be nice to have some kind of web based synchronization, so change on computer A would be automatically uploaded when I use computer B.
You can use EVESync as described here.
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Lord Grimmas
Azure Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Navigator It would be nice to have some kind of web based synchronization, so change on computer A would be automatically uploaded when I use computer B.
I don't have EVEMon on this computer but theoretically, if there is an option as to where EVEMon stores its data, you could save to a dropbox-enabled directory (if worst comes to worst you could simply install EVEMon into such a directory). That would automatically share your plans between all of your computers.
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Strategos Dai
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy
That's the good thing about this game it allows you to think if you let it. Where games like WoW for the most part are just mindless fun.
There's no thinking involved in what you're doing, it's just mindless number crunching. You may have the time to compute five year skill plans by hand, but some of us are actually busy people who abhor having their time wasted...
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Guy on 10/12/2010 15:13:53
Originally by: Strategos Dai
Originally by: Forum Guy
That's the good thing about this game it allows you to think if you let it. Where games like WoW for the most part are just mindless fun.
There's no thinking involved in what you're doing, it's just mindless number crunching. You may have the time to compute five year skill plans by hand, but some of us are actually busy people who abhor having their time wasted...
Well there's more thinking involved than adding skills to Evemon and pressing a button. Only need to plan up until the next remap. Planning for 5 years is a total waste of time, there many be a reason you won't be able to play in 3 years time.
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2010.12.10 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
That's the way I still do it. Never relied on any add-on that makes playing the game easier, they just tend to make players lazy.
Understanding the underlying systems is critical to doing well in EvE. But brushing aside hours of work done by others that ultimately simplifies the need to do your own calculations (especially when they are CORRECT, as I can attest to in EveMON; at least the attributes to SP/hour level to skill points part) is extremely inefficient.
If the scientific community decided to re-invent their own wheel without reading up or using the results of other people's work, we wouldn't have the computing technology to play games like Eve Online.
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Pantload
Gallente Handsome Millionaire Playboys Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.10 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
That's the way I still do it. Never relied on any add-on that makes playing the game easier, they just tend to make players lazy.
And you had the gall to say I'm condescending. Now I see you were just being ironic when you said it. Using a better tool for a job is efficient. If you enjoy scribbling on paper because it makes you feel smart, have fun, but don't pretend that it's a better way.
TUG: The Underpants Gnomes. Buy Corps here
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: DarthCaboose
Originally by: Forum Guy
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
That's the way I still do it. Never relied on any add-on that makes playing the game easier, they just tend to make players lazy.
Understanding the underlying systems is critical to doing well in EvE. But brushing aside hours of work done by others that ultimately simplifies the need to do your own calculations (especially when they are CORRECT, as I can attest to in EveMON; at least the attributes to SP/hour level to skill points part) is extremely inefficient.
If the scientific community decided to re-invent their own wheel without reading up or using the results of other people's work, we wouldn't have the computing technology to play games like Eve Online.
This is part of the point, it's an add-on it's not part of the game. It is something someone has done for you to save you time. Personally, I prefer to do it myself, rather than having it handed to me on a plate.
As for last paragraph about reinventing the wheel. If they made the game so you only had to press the win button would you play. Remote controls make life easier they also make people lazier by design.
I'm not saying people should not use them I'm only saying that they tend to make people lazier. You only have to look at other games to see that.
If you really wanted efficiency in your life, you would not be playing computer/MMO games they are not the most efficient or useful leisure time activity.
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Strategos Dai
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy
Well there's more thinking involved than adding skills to Evemon and pressing a button.
That's the thing, there really isn't. Fortunately for me, the world is full of people like you who fool themselves into thinking they are not wasting their time and are therefore willing to do this kind of monkey work for minimal wages.
Originally by: Forum Guy
Only need to plan up until the next remap. Planning for 5 years is a total waste of time, there many be a reason you won't be able to play in 3 years time.
You are missing the point there. The actual number is completely irrelevant.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Strategos Dai
Originally by: Forum Guy
Well there's more thinking involved than adding skills to Evemon and pressing a button.
That's the thing, there really isn't. Fortunately for me, the world is full of people like you who fool themselves into thinking they are not wasting their time and are therefore willing to do this kind of monkey work for minimal wages.
I'm not fooling myself about anything. I don't use add-ons because I don't actually see them as part of the game. As for better use of my time if I was truely worried about that, I would not be playing MMOs. As for work that's something I don't have to do. So I'll let you work for the peanuts.
Originally by: Strategos Dai
Originally by: Forum Guy
Only need to plan up until the next remap. Planning for 5 years is a total waste of time, there many be a reason you won't be able to play in 3 years time.
You are missing the point there. The actual number is completely irrelevant.
Actually the amounts of years do matter as planning for one year takes a lot less time than five or six years.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.12.10 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Orin on 10/12/2010 18:03:44
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Sure.
Take a flat sheet of pressed wood-pulp.
Apply a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood to the pulp-sheet to mark it with symbols.
Victory.
(Seriously, guys, not rocket science. If you need a computer program to do your skill plan you should probably give up now, since you're not remotely smart enough to grasp the calculations involved in combat. Or breathe.)
The relocate tool alone is worth installing EveMon for.
Try to emulate that function with a charcoal or compressed-charcoal rod encased in wood and a pulp-sheet I dare you. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.12.10 18:54:00 -
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did you try the reset settings button? that fixed evemon for me once.
eveHQ has skill data, it also has a bunch of other useful features. dunno if it has a skill plan/remap optimizer though.
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Pralance Kibarso
Crux Republic Aerospace Navy Elites
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Posted - 2010.12.13 23:29:00 -
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EVEMon is probably crashing because CCP just introduced a new category called Fake Skills with a single skill Stealth Bombers Fake Skill. This new skill has a Rank of zero which results in a divide by zero when trying to calculate the points per level. It's happened to me in EVE Player's Tool as well, but that was fixed today.
EVEMon developers will no doubt fix this shortly.
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Xearal
Minmatar SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.14 00:51:00 -
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Or you can just use Eve HQ
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2010.12.14 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pralance Kibarso EVEMon is probably crashing because CCP just introduced a new category called Fake Skills with a single skill Stealth Bombers Fake Skill. This new skill has a Rank of zero which results in a divide by zero when trying to calculate the points per level. It's happened to me in EVE Player's Tool as well, but that was fixed today.
EVEMon developers will no doubt fix this shortly.
Ahhh... Good ol' DED Connections.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.15 07:56:00 -
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I use GtkEVEmon at work.
Not as many features as EVEmon.
Might run under Cygwin, but I've not tried that combination.
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Destamon
Azure Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.12.16 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander I use GtkEVEmon at work.
Not as many features as EVEmon.
Might run under Cygwin, but I've not tried that combination.
I've noticed that GtkEveMon sometimes reports pretty ridiculous numbers (over 6000 sp/hour gain), but generally it's good enough to see what's in queue and to plan ahead a bit and look at the certificates. I run it when booted to Ubuntu (my primary work environment at home) but wouldn't recommend running it in Cygwin under Windows though - just use the regular EveMon, which has many more features (skill pie charts and the item and ship browser are my favorites). If images are a problem, EveMon has a "safe for work" mode which disables all of them.
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