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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.13 07:12:00 -
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Aww, comeon we only ask to admit the truth, "it's by design, HTFU" responce is as good as any. That line in devblog saying that it's not necacarily final changes gives false hope so people simply asking for confirmation that you actually going to do this - that's all (since no one had balls to actually confirm this before).
Originally by: Debir Achen The RL scenario is that the Royal Amarr Investment Fund (the ONLY fund in town) says that rather than buying "investment shares" that up your pay rate to $5.72, everyone gets paid $5.00. But those who paid in the big bucks for a run at the higher rate get their big bucks refunded, but also get to keep any benefits from the $5.72 they used to earn.
You forgot the part where everyone else gets their smaller investments back too and increase from , say, $4.00 to $5.00
Point is: while everyone else gets SP and learning speed refund, those who trained skills to 5/5 only get speed refund up to 5/4, everything else is just SP refund. So, it's not SP that will last for 8 years, it's less because everyone else will get those too. So "refund of traning speed loss" is only around 3M SP (difference between 5/4 and 5/5 for those who care to calculate).
Originally by: qaz zaq :-) Well, seems the CSM is not as 'powerful' or 'Important' as we thought.
Mostly PR to cover screwups, as usual. At least this CSM achieved better results in publicity which is not bad either. I don't think any game company would actually listen to playerbase, even if that's select few representatives (at least you won't see any big changes because of it)... not to mention average forum trolls
And I would have loved if they released half-broken incursion (with all "features") two weeks ago - just for lulz. Really if "we didn't manage do make stuff work in time" is not a reason to declare "we decided to listen to community and commit to excellence" I don't know what is IIRC, PI was delayed for exactly same reason... well, at least I had some fun thanks to P.I.POCALYPSE.
Originally by: white kight At the end of the day 72sp/h is such a small difference it isn't a huge game changing issue.
Oh, so entire reason why people trained 5/5s in a first palce is not a "huge game changing issue"? Wonder how would people react had CCP decided to make 5/3 as new top learning speed
What is not a "huge game changing issue" is speed decrease with current 5/4 and +5s compared to new system - that is hardly noticable, but still fact. While a week of traning time a year is not something I wouldn't notice.
Plus it rewards lazy: it's like making all missions pay as L3 because it's so hard for a newbie to catch up with vets in moneymaking process and decreasing L4 and L5 payouts because CCP is unable to come up with new isk sink to compensate... which would be intresting to see, mostly because I don't run missions anyway so "who cares" |
qaz zaq
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Posted - 2010.12.13 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: I'thari Aww, comeon we only ask to admit the truth, "it's by design, HTFU" responce is as good as any. That line in devblog saying that it's not necacarily final changes gives false hope so people simply asking for confirmation that you actually going to do this - that's all (since no one had balls to actually confirm this before).
Originally by: Debir Achen The RL scenario is that the Royal Amarr Investment Fund (the ONLY fund in town) says that rather than buying "investment shares" that up your pay rate to $5.72, everyone gets paid $5.00. But those who paid in the big bucks for a run at the higher rate get their big bucks refunded, but also get to keep any benefits from the $5.72 they used to earn.
You forgot the part where everyone else gets their smaller investments back too and increase from , say, $4.00 to $5.00
Point is: while everyone else gets SP and learning speed refund, those who trained skills to 5/5 only get speed refund up to 5/4, everything else is just SP refund. So, it's not SP that will last for 8 years, it's less because everyone else will get those too. So "refund of traning speed loss" is only around 3M SP (difference between 5/4 and 5/5 for those who care to calculate).
Originally by: qaz zaq :-) Well, seems the CSM is not as 'powerful' or 'Important' as we thought.
Mostly PR to cover screwups, as usual. At least this CSM achieved better results in publicity which is not bad either. I don't think any game company would actually listen to playerbase, even if that's select few representatives (at least you won't see any big changes because of it)... not to mention average forum trolls
And I would have loved if they released half-broken incursion (with all "features") two weeks ago - just for lulz. Really if "we didn't manage do make stuff work in time" is not a reason to declare "we decided to listen to community and commit to excellence" I don't know what is IIRC, PI was delayed for exactly same reason... well, at least I had some fun thanks to P.I.POCALYPSE.
Originally by: white kight At the end of the day 72sp/h is such a small difference it isn't a huge game changing issue.
Oh, so entire reason why people trained 5/5s in a first palce is not a "huge game changing issue"? Wonder how would people react had CCP decided to make 5/3 as new top learning speed
What is not a "huge game changing issue" is speed decrease with current 5/4 and +5s compared to new system - that is hardly noticable, but still fact. While a week of traning time a year is not something I wouldn't notice.
Plus it rewards lazy: it's like making all missions pay as L3 because it's so hard for a newbie to catch up with vets in moneymaking process and decreasing L4 and L5 payouts because CCP is unable to come up with new isk sink to compensate... which would be intresting to see, mostly because I don't run missions anyway so "who cares"
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Thanks! :-)
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Faltryka
The Unit...
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Posted - 2010.12.13 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Faltryka on 13/12/2010 07:35:17 I know what iam about to say is off topic but can you plz plz let us swap out subsystems on a T3 In space plz
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Aele Deckard
Caldari Fly Drunk Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.12.13 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: 548645156 will all the char in the same account get the sp for each char
It is done per character. For example: You have one character on your account with 1 million learning skills, that character gets 1 million back. If another character on the same account has 5 million learning skills, then that character gets 5 million back.
Q: To expand on this; for those of us that have used spare slot on our account to train up one purpose alts (cynos, freighters, market, etc.) will we be able to transfer their learning SP to another character on the same account? (since the time spent training the learning was used at some point?). I ask since I doubt my one purpose alts need anymore training, and honsestly I wouldnt add any more skills to them anyways. Thanks.
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qaz zaq
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Posted - 2010.12.13 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aele Deckard
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: 548645156 will all the char in the same account get the sp for each char
It is done per character. For example: You have one character on your account with 1 million learning skills, that character gets 1 million back. If another character on the same account has 5 million learning skills, then that character gets 5 million back.
Q: To expand on this; for those of us that have used spare slot on our account to train up one purpose alts (cynos, freighters, market, etc.) will we be able to transfer their learning SP to another character on the same account? (since the time spent training the learning was used at some point?). I ask since I doubt my one purpose alts need anymore training, and honsestly I wouldnt add any more skills to them anyways. Thanks.
They (CCP) already answered that. No. Character locked.
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Aele Deckard
Caldari Fly Drunk Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.12.13 07:43:00 -
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I didn't read the whole thread, but I had hoped that there would be a way to transfer between chars on same account. Dreams Squashed.
Thanks for the response.
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DoubleD231
Minmatar Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.12.13 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cornwalace [b]Q: What is the meaning of life? A:
42 ^^ Politicians use statistics like drunk people use street lights
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Winston Brunai
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Posted - 2010.12.13 07:58:00 -
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So Long and Thanks for all the fish!
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.13 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aele Deckard I didn't read the whole thread, but I had hoped that there would be a way to transfer between chars on same account. Dreams Squashed.
Thanks for the response.
Lol, and you didn't think that would be abused at all? I mean I would have bought as many low SP chars as possible with remappable SP. Then one by one move them to my main account, copy SP over and resell the chars with a few mill less SP. Someone with a good isk flow wouldn't have much trouble reaching 400m SP that way.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.12.13 08:21:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed. Please try to keep the conversation in a constructive vein.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Eclorc
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:09:00 -
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Small suggestion:
Lots of folks are QQ about 72 sp/hour, this won't affect me, but I can see their point.
Given that everything is governed by little formulas and multipliers in the maths, is there a multiplier in the formula that could be added to?
Like x 1.01 instead of x 1.00 ?
Perhaps if all speeds are added to in this way, maybe by 100 sp/hour for ALL training at base stat level, then the top-skilled won't lose the precious 72 sp/hour?
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Cornwalace Q: What is the meaning of life? A:
What is 6 times 7?
Ahem!
As any true devotee of the HHG2G knows, while the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything is 42, the question itself is "What do you get if you multiply six by nine" -- although the arrival of the Golgafrinchans may have put a telephone sanitizer into the works, so to speak.
Confessions of a Noob Starship Politician The most expensive free trip to Iceland you'll ever win!
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rommah Edited by: Rommah on 13/12/2010 05:55:52 Hello... I already posted a topic on the issue here: Skill Compensation
Basically, I remember that learning skills used to be 5x... I trained them while they were at 5x value... A while back they were made into 3x to make it easier on new players... Since I spent higher LP, then they were converted into 3x LP value. Someone told me Im a bit confused. Now I question my memory...
Q: If Im right, will I be compensated for the old SP value?
You are wrong, they always were Rank 3 on TQ.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Stillman on 13/12/2010 09:46:23 Please stay on topic guys, we're doing this to offer people who might have questions about the actual deployment to get some answers. If you want to discuss 20vs19, free remap or no free remap, removal or no removal, please take that to the dev-blog thread. Everything you've been discussing so far has been done to death in the other thread.
Thanks
EDIT: Here is the link.
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Raven Seldon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:41:00 -
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Q: Is there a time limit to redistribute your SP's? A: ______________________________________________ Everyone has the right to be stupid. Just don't abuse the privilege! |
qaz zaq
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Stillman Please stay on topic guys, we're doing this to offer people who might have questions about the actual deployment to get some answers. If you want to discuss 20vs19, free remap or no free remap, removal or no removal, please take that to the dev-blog thread. Everything you've been discussing so far has been done to death in the other thread.
Thanks
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Maybe provide a link to the Dev Blog discussion please?
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Seldon Q: Is there a time limit to redistribute your SP's?
A: Nope, there's no time limit!
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: qaz zaq
Maybe provide a link to the Dev Blog discussion please?
Splendid idea. Done!
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Yuri Renak
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:13:00 -
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Q: Am I daft to look at the free skill point reimbursement and the the isk for untrained books refund.. and still say.. but can I have that time back?
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Khalia Nestune
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:25:00 -
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For those who are still *****ing about the math, try a real-math real-life example:
Your job pays $27.72/hour. Your work has now changed it to $27.00/hour. In return, they give you a tax-free bonus of $5,376,000.
I would take that IN A F*CKING HEARBEAT.
Even further, you are *only* "losing" your 72sp/hour if a) you trained the skills to 5/5 and b) have a +5 implant AND c) you are actually training a skill that uses those attributes.
If you're still complaining, you're an idiot.
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Kutle
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:25:00 -
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Q: why arent the capital ship prices rising at thme moment but just oposit?
Same question for marauders and t2 big stuff like launchers....
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Kromartie
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kromartie on 13/12/2010 10:32:04 Q: Was there any technical reason why you could not have left the quick to train rank 1 ôLearningö skill in game? Perhaps this skill could have been moved to social or science group? The other 10 skills could have been removed and you could have just added +10 to the attributes.
This would have ensured nobody came out of this worse off and at the same time still removed 5,120,000 SP from the Learning group.
I will be disappointed if I come out of this worse off (630k SP a year) and I remind everyone that reimbursement of the learning SP is not a gift or a favour, this is simply CCP doing the right thing. Those are SP already earned at a much slower rate and they have no bearing on the drop in attribute points or training rate in the future. I donÆt want a free remap, I just want to be able to train at the same rate and I hope something can be done in a later patch to correct this.
Edit: These questions were not answered in the blog thread.
That aside this is the only game IÆm still playing after 7 years, thanks for all the hard work CCP and have a great Christmas.
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qaz zaq
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Posted - 2010.12.13 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Khalia Nestune For those who are still *****ing about the math, try a real-math real-life example:
Your job pays $27.72/hour. Your work has now changed it to $27.00/hour. In return, they give you a tax-free bonus of $5,376,000.
I would take that IN A F*CKING HEARBEAT.
Even further, you are *only* "losing" your 72sp/hour if a) you trained the skills to 5/5 and b) have a +5 implant AND c) you are actually training a skill that uses those attributes.
If you're still complaining, you're an idiot.
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Nice work up. But, in reality there is one point I would say differently: There is not a Bonus, it is a reimbursement because they took away your house.
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Yuri Renak
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Yuri Renak on 13/12/2010 11:03:52
Originally by: qaz zaq Edited by: qaz zaq on 13/12/2010 10:47:11
Originally by: Khalia Nestune For those who are still *****ing about the math, try a real-math real-life example:
Your job pays $27.72/hour. Your work has now changed it to $27.00/hour. In return, they give you a tax-free bonus of $5,376,000.
I would take that IN A F*CKING HEARBEAT.
Even further, you are *only* "losing" your 72sp/hour if a) you trained the skills to 5/5 and b) have a +5 implant AND c) you are actually training a skill that uses those attributes.
If you're still complaining, you're an idiot.
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Nice work up. But, in reality there is one point I would say differently: There is not a Bonus, it is a reimbursement because they took away your house.
And also, I notice in your comments that you even admit, they are losing the 72 sp/hour? I ask, what are you losing? Anything?
I trained all of my learning skills to V. I don't have all +5 implants though. Either way: MATH TEIM
_The logic behind the following is misguided but it shows the point in a relatively accurate fashion_
Caldari Cruiser V has 1053725 skill points right now left in my skill window. Divide that by 2244 per hour and I get 469.5666666666667 hours total hours or 19d 13h 34m (confirmed by EvEMon).
Now subtract 72 and its 2172 so 1053725/2172 comes out to 485.140423572744 total hours. Making it 20.214184315531 total days or 20d 5h 8m and 43*rounded* seconds.
So that's what? A little less than 16 extra hours of training?
Conclusion: I CAN LIVE WITH THAT
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Kromartie
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:10:00 -
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Only people with +5 plugged in will be down 72 SP per hour, if you don't have +5 it will be less.
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qaz zaq
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: qaz zaq on 13/12/2010 11:16:03 Back to orignal discussion point: A loss is a loss, a slower Sp rate is a slower Sp rate..
and what about the statement in this blog from eve wiki?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Modify_or_Remove_Learning_Skills_%28CSM%29
Which was agreed upon or stated as an Important concern:
---------- Important Caveats Whichever method is chosen, the following guidelines must apply:
No player should train at a rate slower than their current rate. ---------
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Industrial Pirate
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:23:00 -
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Do they transfer with char? Does this include 100k SP given for that..er... ''longer''... DT in May ?
Thanks
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Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Q: *Your question here* A:
What about our immunity to Sansha mind control? If the Sansha are using a version of the Jove Book of Emptiness then the SoCT training built into the advanced Learning skills is probably all that is protecting us capsuleers from its effects. What will be replacing Learning skills in that arena? --
Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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Kuntakinte NL
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:48:00 -
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Q: can we have 5 mil free sp for beeing awesome? Just like on SiSi
(and give me an extra 5 for mentioning it?) "Nations that place their faith in treaty's, and fail to keep their hardware up. Don't stick around long enough to write very many pages in history." |
Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Industrial Pirate Do they transfer with char? Does this include 100k SP given for that..er... ''longer''... DT in May ?
Thanks
Your questions have already been answered. At least read the replies from CCP members you don't need to read the questions from the Eve community in this thread. So it won't take that long to see what's going on.
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