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Alakazam
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Alakazam on 13/12/2010 12:23:33 Q: Will this give me a cheaper clone? If unallocated skillpoints isn't included in total skillpoints count?
ie. I have 10M sp, 5M is learning skillpoints >> I need a 12M clone. After patch I have 5M skillpoints. >> I only need a 6M clone?
Clarification: I understand that the clone won't change. But if the learning skillpoints count is taken out of the total skillpoint count it is possible that you will get less sp required than the current clone thresold, as long as you don't immediately redistribute your skillpoints ofcourse.
the example: I have 10M sp and a 9M clone contract 5M sp is taken out of skillpoints, thus I have 4M sp and a 9M clone contract. Is this correct assumption?
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alakazam Q: Will this give me a cheaper clone? If unallocated skillpoints isn't included in total skillpoints count?
ie. I have 10M sp, 5M is learning skillpoints >> I need a 12M clone. After patch I have 5M skillpoints. >> I only need a 6M clone?
The clone will not change.
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Im Blue
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Im Blue Q as my attributes are being reduced at what point will i slow down my training speed? will it be the next time i change or add a skill or will it be the start or end of the downtime
didnt see an answer to this, can i get one please?
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alakazamthe example: I have 10M sp and a 9M clone contract 5M sp is taken out of skillpoints, thus I have 4M sp and a 9M clone contract. Is this a correct assumption? [/quote
Yep, what ever your clone is it will stay that way unless you alter it.
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Veebring Greetings
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:42:00 -
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Q. Are the reimbursed SP redistributable between the chars on one account or are they strictly per character?
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Im Blue
Originally by: Im Blue Q as my attributes are being reduced at what point will i slow down my training speed? will it be the next time i change or add a skill or will it be the start or end of the downtime
didnt see an answer to this, can i get one please?
If you are refering to the 72 sp/h loss then, you need to post in the dev blog thread, a link is in post 154 of this thread.
But iirc from other threads it's about 8 years if you had max learning skills already.
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Veebring Greetings Q. Are the reimbursed SP redistributable between the chars on one account or are they strictly per character?
They've already answered this one. It's strictly per character.
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Veebring Greetings
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Keira Matrix They've already answered this one. It's strictly per character.
Mmm I read the OP but don't see it. And redistribution was possible with the free SP back from the extended DT.
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Veebring Greetings
Originally by: Keira Matrix They've already answered this one. It's strictly per character.
Mmm I read the OP but don't see it. And redistribution was possible with the free SP back from the extended DT.
Some of the questions have been answered since the op posts, so it's just a matter of browsing through the pages and just reading the CCP answers.
They could of course update the op posts as the longer this gets the more people will just read the op posts.
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Veebring Greetings
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Posted - 2010.12.13 13:11:00 -
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Six pages surely qualifies as TL;DR
And I think I can understand that SP pooling would compund CCPs problem of too many high-end characters and too little content for them.
Would have been nice tho
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s3v
Caldari Ore Mongers BAT PHONE
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Posted - 2010.12.13 13:18:00 -
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So is there gonna be remap? or do i have to train evemon planned skills with those default 20/20..... if so my training slows down for next 6 months when i can have remap :(.
Obv what i readed earlier, that the earlier remap stays but u will have extra atributs just flowing in the remap pool ?
woot woot :S
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Sabr Sheppard
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Posted - 2010.12.13 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mike deVoid Edited by: Mike deVoid on 12/12/2010 22:45:32 Thought I'd post this as someone was asking about training speed
Some quick number crunching for everyone curious.
Present (5/5 learnings +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 33pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 26.4pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2772 SP/hour.
Present (5/4 learnings +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 31.9pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 25.3pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2673 SP/hour.
Future ([bright or not] +5 implants): Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 32pt. Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 26pt. Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2700 SP/hour.
So *if* you have trained to 5/5 then your maximum possible rate drop by 72 sp/hr at most as this assumes you wear your +5 implants all the time. Because of the 5.376,000 SP reimbursement you won't feel any nerf for a minimum of just over 8.5 years. That figure drops by about 1 year for each Advanced Learning you only put to lvl 4.
For 5/4 and below, it's a boost.
I grow tired of incorrect posts such as these. Your math is correct and people are needlessly crying over that 72 SP/H (I'll get to that later). The part I've pointed out is the problem. First off, not everyone has trained EVERY learning skill to V. Actually it's probably more like < 10% of active EVE characters have ALL learning skills at V. But anyway the main thing is that even if you compensate for YOUR leaning SP total, you can't say that you "wont feel any nerf..." as you already earned those skill points. They are yours. They aren't being given to you, they're being refunded. Just like if you brought a laptop back to Best Buy. You aren't being given money from the kindness of their hearts, it's being refunded.
MATH TIME: So here are the hard numbers for those that complain about loosing those 72SP/H. In a year there are 8766 (24 hours * 365.25 days) hours. That adds up to (assuming that you trained EVERY LEARNING SKILL to V and have +5 implants) 631152 lost SP/Year. Now that may look large but let me put that into perspective. You will now train at 2600 SP/H with neural remap + +5 implants. So it would take you 242.75 (631152/2600) hours or 10 days; 44 minutes; 7 seconds to make those skill points (lost over the course of one year assuming that before the change you were perfect) back. And lets be honest, most of you do not have everything trained to V AND +5 implants in your head (I know those that do will promptly reply saying that you do but I've used so many words in this post that you won't be able to quote me and have much space for your reply :P). I personally made a 2-3 year plan in EVEMon and then trained the suggested learning skills as to not waste time training skills that will end up having a net negative impact on my overall training time. And occasionally you wake up and find that you have no skill in training. Happens to all of us every once in a while.
Overall this change is good for the future of EVE as I've tried to get three people to play and they gave up because for the first month and a half to two months they can't do anything but train learning skills. It allows people to jump right into the game and actually PLAY it instead of just watching their skill queue and game time tick away.
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: s3v So is there gonna be remap? or do i have to train evemon planned skills with those default 20/20..... if so my training slows down for next 6 months when i can have remap :(.
Obv what i readed earlier, that the earlier remap stays but u will have extra atributs just flowing in the remap pool ?
woot woot :S
Not sure, the actual changes to the remap UI would not necessarily mean they would have to give you a remap.
But the question is, if someone has 33 in an attribute and that becomes 32 then it is likely that that one attribute point will be ready to reuse.
So I see no reason to give a free remap, if they will or not guess we will have to wait and see.
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adrobomb
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:27:00 -
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Unfortunetly for those that did put in the effort of training everything to level 5 with the long term goal of gaining advantage over those who hadn't (a benefit that actually takes several years to pay off), have not only had that taken away, but have had their immediate training speed reduced, clearly a nerf for those people. I for one am not happy, but its not like its the only unfair playing field in EVE. CCP have failed to address some other glaring inequities so i don't see them really caring about those losing out on this one either, and of course those who hadn't trained those skills, have now had their laziness rewarded and any learning speed disadvantage removed, and they will no doubt be singing CCP's praises loudly enough for CCP to ignore the ones who are clearly being penalized.
Disappointing but typical....
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Guy on 13/12/2010 14:32:24 Edited by: Forum Guy on 13/12/2010 14:31:38
Originally by: adrobomb Unfortunetly for those that did put in the effort of training everything to level 5 with the long term goal of gaining advantage over those who hadn't (a benefit that actually takes several years to pay off), have not only had that taken away, but have had their immediate training speed reduced, clearly a nerf for those people. I for one am not happy, but its not like its the only unfair playing field in EVE. CCP have failed to address some other glaring inequities so i don't see them really caring about those losing out on this one either, and of course those who hadn't trained those skills, have now had their laziness rewarded and any learning speed disadvantage removed, and they will no doubt be singing CCP's praises loudly enough for CCP to ignore the ones who are clearly being penalized.
Disappointing but typical....
If you invest in a long-term investment, then you take a risk. So your long-term investment has not paid off much this time, that is a risk you took. So there really is nothing to complain about.
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Amy Elteam
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:31:00 -
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Q: Are the skill books being completely erased from existence? If I somehow managed to figure out some loophole in this erasure process would they even be able to exist in the new eve universe?
Say I want to own some copies for posterity.
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Elteam Q: Are the skill books being completely erased from existence? If I somehow managed to figure out some loophole in this erasure process would they even be able to exist in the new eve universe?
Say I want to own some copies for posterity.
Totally going, no keep-sakes.
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kuntakinte NL Q: can we have 5 mil free sp for beeing awesome? Just like on SiSi
(and give me an extra 5 for mentioning it?)
While all EVE players are awesome, we'll not be giving any bonus like we did on SISI, which was purely for encouraging players to partake in the testing.
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Im Blue Q as my attributes are being reduced at what point will i slow down my training speed? will it be the next time i change or add a skill or will it be the start or end of the downtime
Your new attributes will take effect at downtime.
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Veebring Greetings Edited by: Veebring Greetings on 13/12/2010 12:50:28 Q: Are the reimbursed SP redistributable between the chars on one account or are they strictly per character?
Strictly per character I'm afraid.
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Elteam Q: Are the skill books being completely erased from existence? If I somehow managed to figure out some loophole in this erasure process would they even be able to exist in the new eve universe?
Say I want to own some copies for posterity.
Skill books are being completely erased. If you somehow manage to keep some, they'll definitely be erased in the future.
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matt987
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:00:00 -
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i participated in the test on singularity you guys and ladies need not worry everything should go fine and look at it this way u will have free sp to boost your current skills without training thats the best part
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Black998
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:28:00 -
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Do we get a free attribute remap?
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Boinz
Caldari Muffin Munchers
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Black998 Do we get a free attribute remap?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
Guess what I'm wearing.
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ShadowStar90
Gallente Rico's Roughnecks -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:39:00 -
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Q: How long can we hold Skill Point Pool until add to old skillbook?
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Bel Rigean
Gallente GoldLeaf Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Q: *Your question here* A:
Q: Will it hurt?
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowStar90 Q: How long can we hold Skill Point Pool until add to old skillbook?
The skill point pool will not expire at any point.
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Bel Rigean
Gallente GoldLeaf Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.13 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bel Rigean on 13/12/2010 15:43:32
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.12.13 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bel Rigean
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Q: *Your question here* A:
Q: Will it hurt?
It'll be painless, I promise!
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Schmacos tryne
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Posted - 2010.12.13 16:36:00 -
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I see you guys got out of bed and modded my "throughthenight rage session"... Don't worry this night will be long and I suggest those of you who isn't on the payroll to stay tuned!
Now I have two very constructive question to ask (Which you'll surely not answer since you only answer "meaning of life BS questions" but anyway here goes:
Q1: In light of the recent information where CCP/CSM made it clear in the beginning that NOONE shall train slower then they do now, Why do the players who have 5/5/5 get nerfed by 72SP compared to present training speed?
Q2: Are you aware of the fact that you will remove a barrier for BOT/RTM accounts? I mean you can get an account, have it training at max speed for whatever you need it to do and voila, freeride in much shorter time!!! IMH this is a bigger problem and is a potential game breaker then the skills themselves. I think most people would understand this barrier as restriction towards excessive alting/botting (no I mean really understand it not just whinewhine I want freeride whining).
bst regards: Schmacos tryne (aka. My butt hurts).
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