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Checkzor
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Checkzor on 13/12/2010 03:30:58 Alright, I have 2 friends. One friend was going to be "quiting" eve, he then gave my other friend his account information willingly. Again, the account was not hacked by friend 2.
This account information was transfered by evemail, which has logs.
Upon reading the EULA and TOS. I see this:
You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password.
Now friend 2 has grown accustomed to said account. If I understand this EULA properly, since friend 1 freely gave the account information to friend 2 knowing the possible consequences ex. friend 2 changing the password and email ect since he felt he was taking ownership of the account even though account trading is prohibited.
Will ccp abide by the Eula and not help friend 1 and allow friend 2 to continue using said account or will ccp go against their EULA and remove the account from friend 2's possession and restore the account to friend 1.
Again, remember friend 1 disclosed the information via evemail which ccp can pull up and check the logs.
You tell me oh wonderful eve online community...How you think this will play out?
-Checkzor
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 03:32:00 -
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Friend 1 and Friend 2 will both be banned.
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Vita Commerciante
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Posted - 2010.12.13 03:43:00 -
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What makes you think CCP would intervene, this is taken from the account management page:
Account Ownership: The original owner of an account is firstly, the owner of the boxed CD key, and in case of online purchases the original creator of an account. Accounts may not change ownership. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. Account security is the responsibility of the account owner!. If a shared password leads to abuse of the account or loss of characters, it is the sole responsibility of the account owner and customer support will not repair the damage done to the account.
Passwords are the responsibility of the account owner. If a shared password leads to abuse of the account, it is the responsibility of the account owner and customer support cannot reimburse the loss. All forms of account sharing are a violation of our EULA.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.12.13 08:45:00 -
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As Vita Commerciante correctly pointed out, accounts may not change ownership, willingly or not.
This is a good example why it is never a good idea to give out your account information, no matter how pure your intentions are.
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Br41n
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.12.13 08:54:00 -
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The easiest solution would have been:
The one who quits sells character privately according to eve rules for 1 isk to other friend.
Other friend creates new account, gets character on that account.
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Sir Drake
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Br41n The easiest solution would have been:
The one who quits sells character privately according to eve rules for 1 isk to other friend.
Other friend creates new account, gets character on that account.
Just with the slight hook that it would cost ~35Ç (?) extra due to new account + transfer cost. I would rather keep quite about it and invite my friend over for a nice dinner and a lot of beer for that kind of money. ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer
I like that.
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Valator Uel
Caldari Cursed Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Drake
Originally by: Br41n The easiest solution would have been:
The one who quits sells character privately according to eve rules for 1 isk to other friend.
Other friend creates new account, gets character on that account.
Just with the slight hook that it would cost ~35Ç (?) extra due to new account + transfer cost. I would rather keep quite about it and invite my friend over for a nice dinner and a lot of beer for that kind of money.
This is why CCP should allow an official transfer of account ownership, via the account screen, with consent from both parties. I'm sure there are tons of players in the same situation as the OP. I'm just not sure how hack-proof this is.
And yes, ib4 "CCP are not allowing this because of $$$".
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dankness420
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:45:00 -
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if they are really your friends why dont you act like ****in men and deal with it yourself.
what are you, a bunch of pussies asking for CCP to deal with it for you? if you actually know each other in real life then you have no ****in problem
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Friend 1 and Friend 2 will both be banned.
-Liang
So let me get this correct a ****** gives another ****** his account and he gets banned for it, but botters are free to to whatever they want.
To quote the botting thread "how can CCP detect botters different account ownership" and dont say IP, my router got fried a few months back WHICH has the same IP, but when I got a new one the account management page assumed I was at a new location and asked me to confirm my account :/ as for MAC addresses well they can be changed anyway.
Ban botters, then RMT then idiots who give away accounts when it is really easy to transfer characters
But since we are on the topic, what if ****** A gave his char to ****** B and then wanted it back, what would happen?
Originally by: Kool StoryBro <---
Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2010.12.13 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Br41n The easiest solution would have been:
The one who quits sells character privately according to eve rules for 1 isk to other friend.
Other friend creates new account, gets character on that account.
But wouldn't that draw suspicion? CCP would prolly think there was some back-end deal. Account transfer would be a similar problem. How do you knwo the account was not sold for $$$? Well, they should probably allow buyers to pay for the transfer fee.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos To quote the botting thread "how can CCP detect botters different account ownership"
They can't. The reason in the rule is in place is so that when A comes crying that B won't give his account back they can ignore it. TBQH I'd do the same thing, because you can't prevent stupid people from doing stupid things.
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Alyth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Checkzor
Will ccp abide by the Eula and not help friend 1 and allow friend 2 to continue using said account or will ccp go against their EULA and remove the account from friend 2's possession and restore the account to friend 1.
Again, remember friend 1 disclosed the information via evemail which ccp can pull up and check the logs.
You tell me oh wonderful eve online community...How you think this will play out?
-Checkzor
Bolded the important part. CCP would be going against the EULA if they left either account unbanned, not by returning it. It is against the EULA to give anyone your account details, or for them to obtain them from you in any way shape or form. Sure it costs 35 euros to do it the legal way (EULA wise) but thems the breaks sadly.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen
Originally by: Br41n The easiest solution would have been:
The one who quits sells character privately according to eve rules for 1 isk to other friend.
Other friend creates new account, gets character on that account.
But wouldn't that draw suspicion? CCP would prolly think there was some back-end deal. Account transfer would be a similar problem. How do you knwo the account was not sold for $$$? Well, they should probably allow buyers to pay for the transfer fee.
Buy a char of ebay, pay alot and get banned for rmt or whatever
OR
Buy a bot for a fraction of the price, bot 23.5/7 NEVER get banned and buy all the chars and supercaps you want.
Which one do you think people will do? :P
Originally by: Kool StoryBro <---
Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Industrial Exploits The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:11:00 -
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Sigh... he should have forked over the bucks to do a proper char transfer
Beeing stoopid is not a bannable offence, but accountsharing is ________________________________________________
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 13/12/2010 12:33:30
Originally by: Checkzor You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password.
You bolded the wrong part. Here's how you should be reading it:
Originally by: EULA You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password.
Friend 2 will just have to accept that the account is not actually his. "But I invested all this time" friend 2 says? Too bad, it's not friend 2's account. Friend 2 should just give it back to the person who wasn't supposed to give it away in the first place, create their own account, and consider buying a character from the Bazaar. It's not really that much money when you consider the subscription fees required to train a character to that SP total.
No matter how much friend 2 might feel attached to that account now, it was never actually his.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Br41n The easiest solution would have been:
The one who quits sells character privately according to eve rules for 1 isk to other friend.
Other friend creates new account, gets character on that account.
There's no rule that you MUST sell a character, you can "freely" pay the $35 fee to transfer a character at anytime you want. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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WrednaMalpa
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Posted - 2010.12.13 12:51:00 -
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Bahh, after reading title I was expecting something like "Brokeback Mountain" story :(
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.13 13:18:00 -
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Friend 1 should tell friend 2 that if he doesn't give him back his account he's going to:
1) Cry 2) Get the account banned because it's being used by someone who is not the owner 3) burn down the mutha****er's house and nail his dog's head to his car winscreen.
And it would be nice of friend 2 to give him his account back.
Friend 2 should then tell friend 1 to pay the subscription during the period he had been using it, and he'll give it back.
Or he could ransom it for even more (has friend 2 ever wanted to sleep with Friend 1's sister / girlfriend / mother / dog?)
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Keira Matrix on 13/12/2010 14:22:55
Originally by: Muul Udonii Friend 2 should then tell friend 1 to pay the subscription during the period he had been using it, and he'll give it back.
Friend 2 should not have been such an idiot and realised that friend 1 might be just using him to further his account whilst he was doing something else.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2010.12.13 14:57:00 -
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Friend 1 and 2 should realise they are not friends if this is the kind of childish squabbles they have.
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Vita Commerciante
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Posted - 2010.12.13 22:20:00 -
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I'm just sitting back and finding the whole thing hilarious.
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xForever Alonex
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Posted - 2010.12.13 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Checkzor
Alright, I have 2 friends.
I have no friends at all.
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Miriam Letisse
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Posted - 2010.12.13 23:00:00 -
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Be honest.. you are friend 2 right?
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 13/12/2010 23:05:05 I can say that the customer support of another company will handle this by a case by case basis, but most of the time the account will be returned to the original owner if a suitable ID is provided.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.13 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Miriam Letisse Be honest.. you are friend 2 right?
No, the TS was friend 1. :)
Can't believe the gall on these folks, though; they commit banishable offenses, and then loudly adervertise their deeds on the forum, under the guise of a certain 'hypothetical' friend. Yeah, like the devs never heard that one before. --
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Metlec
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Posted - 2010.12.13 23:18:00 -
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Why doesnt friend 2 buy a character from the isk he made with friend 1's account and put it on his own new account then give it back.
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.14 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire As Vita Commerciante correctly pointed out, accounts may not change ownership, willingly or not.
This is a good example why it is never a good idea to give out your account information, no matter how pure your intentions are.
I know for a fact the ccp allows accounts to change hands .. assuming that the new owner has had control for many many moneths ie 12+
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.14 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Checkzor Alright, I have 2 friends. One friend was going to be "quiting" eve, he then gave my other friend his account information willingly. Now friend 2 has grown accustomed to said account. If I understand this EULA properly, since friend 1 freely gave the account information to friend 2 knowing the possible consequences ex. friend 2 changing the password and email ect since he felt he was taking ownership of the account even though account trading is prohibited.
Nope, you didn't read the EULA properly. From CCP's viewpoint, "friend 2" was never the owner of the account, and "friend 1" was its owner at all times and still is. "Friend 1" ALSO broke the EULA by giving "friend 2" access, and he is responsible for everything "friend 2" did with his account.
Quote: Will ccp abide by the Eula and not help friend 1 and allow friend 2 to continue using said account or will ccp go against their EULA and remove the account from friend 2's possession and restore the account to friend 1.
The EULA is "law" only for the player ; for CCP, it's merely a "guideline". The EULA lists stuff for which CCP can punish you, but they can choose the harshness of the punishment from basically nothing (a warning) to a permaban, as they see fit. And they can permaban you even if you did absolutely nothing directly against the EULA anyway, that's also in the EULA.
But yeah, CCP usually does abide by the EULA in most cases (exception for in-household account sharing which they have repeatedly stated it's at best unenforceable, so they don't even try). This probably mean restoring access to "friend 1" provided he can prove he's the one that created the account. An equally likely scenario would be the account gets banned and nobody gets it. It is extremely unlikely the account might remain in the possession of "friend 2", but if the right set of circumstances presents itself (like, say, "friend 2" also having access to all the necessary data AND the original creation email account for some reason), it would be in the realm of (extremely remote) possibility.
Quote: Again, remember friend 1 disclosed the information via evemail which ccp can pull up and check the logs.
Nobody cares how or why it happened, UNLESS it happened before account transfer was forbidden (so... umm... 6 years ago ? 7 ? or something like that), in which case "friend 2" would keep it. But I'm wiling to bet just about anything that's not the case. _
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Decus Daga
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Posted - 2010.12.14 02:02:00 -
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Actually CCP is quite up and down about this situation.
I had an ex-housemate steal one of my accts once, ccp didnt give it back - their reason? he had paid for it for 6 months(i was backpacking around aus so didnt notice until i couldnt re-sub). (so user 2 gets to keep acct, their official word was "he has now transferred the chars to a new acct and the old acct is banned" - so they "technicly" worked around it)
Then a mate gave me an acct he wasnt using so i didnt have to start again, it got hacked and ccp wont give the acct back to either of us.
So it depends on the admin you get mate, personally ive just built up my brand new char back up again, and i wouldnt be surprised if this one got taken too lol.
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ILikeMarkets
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Posted - 2010.12.14 03:35:00 -
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*Person A has quit EVE and given person B account *Person B <3s account. When person B looks at account, his thoughts roughly resemble this: "<3 <3 <3 <3 <3" *Person B posts on forums about "this friend who was given an account" and realizes it is against TOS.
Solution to keep account and avoid banhammer? It will cost about $25 bucks or so (can't remember exact cost)
*Person B returns account to person A. Person B pretends like it never happened to begin with. *Person B goes into fit of depression for all of 10 hours. *Person A posts private sale of <3ed character. *Person B buys it. *Transfer toon to buddy account. Go get the commissioned officer pack or something. *... *Profit??
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