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Zornia Estemaire
The Scope Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.08.12 03:20:00 -
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I have always declined missions that send me into low sec. I always check the system for pod kills, pilots in system and pilots currently docked but never accecpt the mission. If everything looks good what are my chances of sucessfully completing the mission? I would hate to lose a 900 mil. PVE ship just because it is a good mission to take on. So what I'm asking does anyone take these missions in low sec if all looks good? |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
44
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Posted - 2012.08.12 04:00:00 -
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Zornia Estemaire wrote:I have always declined missions that send me into low sec. I always check the system for pod kills, pilots in system and pilots currently docked but never accecpt the mission. If everything looks good what are my chances of sucessfully completing the mission? I would hate to lose a 900 mil. PVE ship just because it is a good mission to take on. So what I'm asking does anyone take these missions in low sec if all looks good?
If you take a battleship or pimped out cruiser into low sec without a gang and it doesn't have a cloak on it, you are 100% guaranteed to lose it eventually.
No matter how buff your PVE fit is, it will crumble as soon as the pirates locate you and calls in a friend or two. |
Traejun DiSanctis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.08.12 04:05:00 -
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I generally decline them as well. The risk vs. reward just isn't balanced in favor of doing the mission.
However, it is well known that doing missions given by agents in low or even null sec are markedly more profitable in terms of isk rewards and, most importantly, LP. I used to blitz missions from Guristas agents in npc null years ago. Was extremely profitable, especially because the items from their LP store were so coveted... and expensive. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
14
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Posted - 2012.08.12 06:50:00 -
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Move to a hub that's atleast 5 jumps away from any low sec it will help. |
Kenpo
61st Angry Angels
5
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Posted - 2012.08.12 13:25:00 -
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Gianath wrote:Zornia Estemaire wrote:I have always declined missions that send me into low sec. I always check the system for pod kills, pilots in system and pilots currently docked but never accecpt the mission. If everything looks good what are my chances of sucessfully completing the mission? I would hate to lose a 900 mil. PVE ship just because it is a good mission to take on. So what I'm asking does anyone take these missions in low sec if all looks good? If you take a battleship or pimped out cruiser into low sec without a gang and it doesn't have a cloak on it, you are 100% guaranteed to lose it eventually. No matter how buff your PVE fit is, it will crumble as soon as the pirates locate you and calls in a friend or two.
^^ this ^^ the first time I chanced a level 4 solo in low sec I got my ship shot out from under me by a proteus, the loss of my mission ship was to expensive to replace at the time so I ran level 3's until I could afford a new level 4 mission boat + fittings, ever since then I have avoided all missions requiring me to enter low sec when solo. |
Whar Target
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.08.12 17:56:00 -
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You would be suprised what's possible when you actually live in low sec. I run level 4's in non-cloaky T3 cruisers all the time, even in a pretty busy system without too much trouble. You have to hit DSCAN often but I find it adds to the fun when doing something boring like missions.
You learn who is likely to try and gank you, and set their corps/alts red. After they fail to probe you out a few times they'll decide you aren't worth the effort and pass through your system without even trying. |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
2
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:30:00 -
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Whar Target wrote:You have to hit DSCAN often but I find it adds to the fun when doing something boring like missions. How does that help?
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Kasutra
Tailor Company IMPERIAL LEGI0N
60
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Posted - 2012.08.12 20:18:00 -
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Missioning in lowsec isn't a bad idea.
Taking a blingy highsec mission boat on sporadic flights into lowsec without knowing the lay of the land is a bad idea.
Chimpy B wrote:Whar Target wrote:You have to hit DSCAN often but I find it adds to the fun when doing something boring like missions. How does that help? You can usually see the probes homing in on you on the scanner. |
Iteken Hotori
The Flowing Penguins Iron Oxide.
2
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Posted - 2012.08.12 22:48:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:Whar Target wrote:You have to hit DSCAN often but I find it adds to the fun when doing something boring like missions. How does that help? if you have to ask this, you really shouldn't try to run missions in lowsec |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
292
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:09:00 -
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last time i accepted a mission in losec, i lost a 2bil tengu. just sayin'
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:57:00 -
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The majority of level 4 missions that send you into lowsec tend to be those courier missions that require you to take a small 1m3 item (like DNA) to another station. If that's the case then you can just use a shuttle, and not take your 900m battleship, obviously.
Apart from those, I decline lowsec missions that require battleship DPS, it isn't worth the risk to me. If I can get a cloaky ship that can pump out enough DPS to complete a combat mission, or at least some guarantee of not getting gate-ganked, I would venture there more often. |
Zornia Estemaire
The Scope Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:10:00 -
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Quote:The majority of level 4 missions that send you into lowsec tend to be those courier missions that require you to take a small 1m3 item (like DNA) to another station. If that's the case then you can just use a shuttle, and not take your 900m battleship, obviously.
I usually take those missions in a cloaked ship especially if it is like part 3 of 4. And I hate to quite the mission half way through. But the one I just declined was Serpentis Extravaganza. It was only one jump into low sec and there was only one pilot in the system. But that's all it takes to call in 2 or 3 buddies so I begrudgingly declined it. |
Lady Aja
61
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:26:00 -
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Zornia Estemaire wrote:I have always declined missions that send me into low sec. I always check the system for pod kills, pilots in system and pilots currently docked but never accecpt the mission. If everything looks good what are my chances of sucessfully completing the mission? I would hate to lose a 900 mil. PVE ship just because it is a good mission to take on. So what I'm asking does anyone take these missions in low sec if all looks good?
when I was running missions I was unlucky if I got a mission in low sec every 300 or so missions. the exception to that was the mission "An Advantageous Catastrophe" which for me was ALWAYS in low sec., Only time I bothered doing the mission was when it was next door in low sec. otherwise wasn't gonna risk a ship more than I had to.
if you are worried about being sent to ls.. then find a new agent if its fairly common. where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!! |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
3
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:35:00 -
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Iteken Hotori wrote:Chimpy B wrote:Whar Target wrote:You have to hit DSCAN often but I find it adds to the fun when doing something boring like missions. How does that help? if you have to ask this, you really shouldn't try to run missions in lowsec I don't :-) But now I know this tip it will help if I do :-)
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Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
96
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:46:00 -
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You can mission in lowsec. Don't expect greater rewards for doing it but it is about as rewarding as missioning in hisec. I missioned in lowsec for about 3 months just to try it....though it was many moons ago. In addition, I would mission in lowsec during wardecs.
The reason it isn't more profitable is that you shouldn't be doing it in your pimped out bling lvl 4 mission runner. Instead, you take a cheaper ship with cheaper mods that you will say 'oh well' if you lose it. Drake, for example. Because you won't put out the DPS, it will take you longer. In addition, you will find yourself trapped from time to time like in a station and unable to mission. You also have to be more careful moving around. This affects your efficiency compared to hisec. All in all, after considering everything it pays about the same as hisec because the rewards are a bit higher as well.
However, if you find a nice area of lowsec without much locals/traffic it isn't too hard. You will need another accounts alt logged in to watch gates because you do not want to jump through a gate without knowing what is there. Some throw away alt in a shuttle works well or a stealthy/cloaky alt if you have the luzury of one. You need to watch local like a hawk and get used to hitting/using Dscan. It is a pain but it does become second nature after awhile.
If you do do it, try to be a bit nomadic. It will start out well at first but you will attract people trying to kill you. They will watch the star map and look for # rat kills and when they see the characteristc pattern they will come to try and snag you. Their favorite tactic is usually to sit on the other side of a gate from your base system waiting for you to accept a mission and jump through. Hence why you need an alt.
I'd mission in lowsec all the time if the rewards were greater. However, I can do as well in Hisec because I don't have to worry about being station camped, gate camps and can use my nice mission runner....so after the novelty of living in lowsec went away, I left. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
358
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:38:00 -
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PVE ships in low sec is like ringing the dinner bell for gate campers. You may make it out alive, a few times, but eventually that shiny mission ship will be someones kill mail. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:59:00 -
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Don't mission in lowsec. Stay in highsec. Don't give the pirate street rats a chance to touch you. |
Zornia Estemaire
The Scope Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:38:00 -
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Quote:Don't mission in lowsec. Stay in highsec. Don't give the pirate street rats a chance to touch you.
Thanks all for the suggestions and advise. I have decided it is not worth taking the chance. Bottom line PVP ship vs PVE ship is a no win situation even if you think you can get away with it sometimes. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1048
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:03:00 -
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Omni tank your ship, fit a cloak and point on it and just do it.
Only thing you've got to lose is boredom. If you stay missioning in hisec, you'll eventually get bored of the game and unsub. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Dennis Gregs
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:11:00 -
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After my friend lost 2 Drakes in the same day by accepting low sec missions I haven't accepted any low sec missions again nor do I plan to. They are more lucrative but the risk VS reward is WAY off.
As people have pointed out, missioning in low sec is more exciting, but if it's money you're looking for, it's just not worth the effort. |
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Kittel
Caldari Navy Urpiken Security
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:07:00 -
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Solution, put a mission ship in the lowsec system that the missions are always in (assuming there is a station). This way you simply take a cloaky or small ship into lowsec, dock , get mission ship, run mission. Keep the ship there, don't fly back and forth with it.
Direction Scanner is a must, learn to use it!
But, by all means if this is too difficult, please keep bringing those mission ships into low sec, they make good killmails! |
Syrias Bizniz
Flawless-Industries
4
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:51:00 -
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Use cheap ships, don't pimp em out. Also, keep in mind that there are Cruiser Sized ships able to deploy 5 Sentries. Ishtar and Gila. Strap a MWD and Cloak on them, and you should be pretty safe in terms of gatecamps. If you undock, check with a shuttle first or have an alt outside station permacloaked. If you happen to run a lot in one lowsec system, you could also setup a small pos, store your mission ship in there, grab missions in shuttles. This way, they can camp the station 23/7 and still wont catch you. Keep an eye on directional, hit it EVERY 2 TO 3 SECONDS. Skilled probers need a timeframe of about 10 seconds, in which the combat probes are visible on your directional. If there is an acceleration gate into your mission, you might also a) place a cloaked alt to it and you will see anyone who travels through (even cloakies, they have to decloak to activate gate) or b) set your directional to the distance of the acceleration gate you used, you will see on direx whenever someone wants to join you (hit direx every second).
And standard EVE rule #1 as well as #2 always apply: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and only in a clone up2date. |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
83
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:06:00 -
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Go and have goodfights with the locals, smoke the peace pipe with them, and mission away "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |
CaleAdaire
Research Industry Mining and Support Gatekeepers Universe
51
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:42:00 -
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Honestly I think its better to take lvl 4's that are offered by lowsec agents. There are tons of gate campers waiting on the routes that AP takes when you get a lowsec mission from a highsec agent. I'm bored... Let's shoot the rocks. |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:46:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Keep an eye on directional, hit it EVERY 2 TO 3 SECONDS. We're expected to do this every 2-3 seconds for the entire duration of the mission encounters?
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Syrias Bizniz
Flawless-Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:49:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Keep an eye on directional, hit it EVERY 2 TO 3 SECONDS. We're expected to do this every 2-3 seconds for the entire duration of the mission encounters?
Well, you don't have to. But then don't complain when someone warps ontop of you, lands a point and calls in reinforcements and you're all like 'But i watched directional from time to time, how could i NOT recognize him? HACKS!'
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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:07:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Chimpy B wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Keep an eye on directional, hit it EVERY 2 TO 3 SECONDS. We're expected to do this every 2-3 seconds for the entire duration of the mission encounters? Well, you don't have to. But then don't complain when someone warps ontop of you, lands a point and calls in reinforcements and you're all like 'But i watched directional from time to time, how could i NOT recognize him? HACKS!' This demonstrates why low sec missioning isn't feasible. Yeah, it's possible, but who wants all that hassle?
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
293
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:27:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Chimpy B wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Keep an eye on directional, hit it EVERY 2 TO 3 SECONDS. We're expected to do this every 2-3 seconds for the entire duration of the mission encounters? Well, you don't have to. But then don't complain when someone warps ontop of you, lands a point and calls in reinforcements and you're all like 'But i watched directional from time to time, how could i NOT recognize him? HACKS!' This demonstrates why low sec missioning isn't feasible. Yeah, it's possible, but who wants all that hassle? i may or may not have been daytripping into w-space for 10 hours straight, d-scanning every few seconds for the whole time.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
608
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:45:00 -
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Chimpy B wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Keep an eye on directional, hit it EVERY 2 TO 3 SECONDS. We're expected to do this every 2-3 seconds for the entire duration of the mission encounters?
It's really not that dire. If someone is in system and acting suspicious, make sure you spam dscan. If you're alone or if someone seems pretty uninterested in what you're doing, you're probably safe.
A certain level of paranoia is healthy and justified, but at the same time it likely won't save you from everything.
By the by, I actually disagree with the suggestion to keep a mission ship in a lowsec system for running stuff there. For the most part, station camps are harder to work with than gate camps because while you're unlikely to die in the latter, it can totally trap you for a long period of time. Granted it's a better idea if you're running a frequently-camped gate, but what's to stop someone from just camping your station instead? |
Yahrr
The Tuskers
15
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:00:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:last time i accepted a mission in losec, i lost a 2bil tengu. just sayin' WHY?!
You can run L4 missions in an AF. It takes a while but it is possible. You can also run them in different T3s - T2 fit with or without the cloak sub. Depending on the mission you could even blitz it with a dps bomber.
Just fly the minimum you need to do the mission, use the dscan and the local list, bookmark a few mid-warp spots and you'll be fine. |
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