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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:52:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:New Mack is awesome, great change for the downtrodden hisec miners, Goon stranglehold on Eve economy is loosening There never was a stranglehold on economy. Jihad/hulkageddon only effected the lazy an the stupid. It is impossible to die in HS if you pay attention.
This happened before perma Hulkageddon. While you paid attention and lost 1 ship, many never lost a ship and mined so AFK that they could go walk the dog, eat a snack and much more. When they lost that ship they would notice they lost 1 day worth of mining over 1 year of no gank and they carried on.
Not sure it was worth to play like a spasm low sec perma danger miner, it's not like your efforts earned 1 penny more than the lazy AFKers.
I still keep my ancient, large rigs Hulks parked in a station as souvenir. They had some massive AFK mining done on them Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9027
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:56:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Some of the belts I screenshotted had over a dozen orcas yet no hulks, so much for orca support groups using hulks. That's largely because they're not fleet mining, but rather solo-mining with boosts. Fleet-mining requires effort, co-ordination and being at the keyboard.
James 315 wrote:Deise Koraka wrote:All it did was make the Mack the choice of high sec solo miners. Hulks still mine more, they just need the support of a corp.
These changes made sure every type of miner had a ship that catered to their mining style of choice, that's all. Not necessarily. You look around the highsec belts and see the extinction of the hulk in favor of the mackinaw. Check the market and note the price changes, too. GǪwhich doesn't particularly disprove what he said. Each type of miner has a ship for his mining style. The prevalent style is solo mining, to absolutely no-one's surprise. The Hulk still caters to the fleet mining and does a fine job of it, but you won't see that by looking at the average miner. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1263
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:57:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:While you paid attention and lost 1 ship, many never lost a ship and mined so AFK that they could go walk the dog, eat a snack and much more. When they lost that ship they would notice they lost 1 day worth of mining over 1 year of no gank and they carried on. Not sure it was worth to play like a spasm low sec perma danger miner, it's not like your efforts earned 1 penny more than the lazy AFKers. I still keep my ancient, large rigs Hulks parked in a station as souvenir. They had some massive AFK mining done on them Heh heh. The truth comes out.
One wonders if the cost of T2 cystals is comparable to the loss of the hulk, over its lifetime. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
339
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:57:00 -
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Why are so many of you shouting every time you say "ore," "ice," and "Orca?"
Or have those been officially backronym'ed whilst I was...errrm...on forum-holiday? There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1725
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:59:00 -
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Oh look, I guess my crystal ball was right....https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1703059#post1703059 price of Mack's are going up and they truly are now the King of mining. |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:03:00 -
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I'm going to laugh my ass off when ice has crashed to an all new low, and all the miners are bitching on the forum. Bring back hulkageddon And even I can see that the mac is the new top barge on the block. |
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1725
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:06:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:I'm going to laugh my ass off when ice has crashed to an all new low, and all the miners are bitching on the forum. Bring back hulkageddon And even I can see that the mac is the new top barge on the block.
Price of ores all around have all ready started to take a nose dive. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1832
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:09:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:I'm going to laugh my ass off when ice has crashed to an all new low, and all the miners are bitching on the forum. Bring back hulkageddon And even I can see that the mac is the new top barge on the block. Price of ores all around have all ready started to take a nose dive.
Which is good, because price double bottoms need nose dives. And then... Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
209
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:46:00 -
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Tippia has some very good points in regard to indy haulers.
However, for me, the only reason I use a hauler is to move minerals. I can fly a freighter once I have the money to not worry about losing one, so it's not really a big deal. The standard haulers on the other hand, I can't help but feel like they could use an increase in cargo capacity.
Not because of the Mack though, but because I never thought that a few thousand m3 was ever very much, it sure isn't a worthwhile amount of minerals.
But, why in the world would you use a hauler to move ore? Isn't 3000m3 of minerals more than 35k m3 of ore? Anyone that would use a Mack to move 35k worth of ore has to be somewhat ********.
I wouldn't mind seeing haulers get a boost closer to 10k m3 of cargo though. |
ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2012.08.13 03:12:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Melodee619 wrote:[quote=Peter Raptor]it is impossible to die in HS if you pay attention. That is not even remotely true.. Last time I died to a gank was bvack in Jihad, when I was foolish enough to mine in Genisis which was goons favorite hunting ground. I treat HS just the same as I would 4CB7x or 9UY etc etc..... I use SS, an I have insta warps off every station I use. Never once been ganked since that day. When I mission I Dscan every 15 seconds on dot. Edit, an I never EVER mission in high population systems. It is most definitely true Your personal experience doesn't matter. You said it was impossible to die to a gank in HS which is completely and utterly wrong. IF someone wants you dead they'll bring enough damage to alpha you if nothing else.
Now is it very likely that you'll be killed in HS if you take precautions? No it's very unlikely you'll die.. It's also very unlikely you'll die in nullsec if you take the proper precautions..
Personally I've always though that regular indies need a bit of a cargo boost or there needs to be some sort of a middle ground hauler between a cheap disposable iteron IV and an Obelisk. |
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
638
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Posted - 2012.08.13 04:52:00 -
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fleet-hulk with orca support <-mines the most solo- mackinaw <- best solo because of ore hold size want to tank? skiff.<- tanks pretty well
t1 versions are exactly the same way but about 10% worse in every way. except much weaker tanks anyone still complaining can contract their stuff to me and I will compile their complaints. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
332
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:16:00 -
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I just want it to remind you that every hauler that I have holds more than the Mack. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
pussnheels
535
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:32:00 -
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i hate to burst you bubble OP but the mack is not the king of the exhumers the hulk still is , that is with maxed out mining skills and maxed orca support, even in icemining the mack is indeed king if you are a casual miner and want to mine solo / afk for a while
Yes granted the mack has a better tank , but that is giving alot of miners a false sense of security Even now a few days after the patch i see alot of macks from players who are fitted for max yield in favour of the antigank tank , sure it might help defend against the casual gank attempt but against a determined gank attack it is just as vulnerable as before
It will only be a few weeks before gankers develop new tactics , probably even faster, and all the whinning will continue when that happens This time it will not be the gankers it will be the miners who bring this on themselves ,
CCP gave you good tankable exhumers , now use it FFS I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1264
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:25:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Yes granted the mack has a better tank , but that is giving alot of miners a false sense of security Even now a few days after the patch i see alot of macks from players who are fitted for max yield in favour of the antigank tank , sure it might help defend against the casual gank attempt but against a determined gank attack it is just as vulnerable as before
It will only be a few weeks before gankers develop new tactics , probably even faster, and all the whinning will continue when that happens This time it will not be the gankers it will be the miners who bring this on themselves ,
CCP gave you good tankable exhumers , now use it FFS No.
They'll hope to get another buff by screaming about gankers as they get ganked. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1327
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:36:00 -
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I think everyone is forgetting that the bonuses that MLUs provide are applied to each laser, thus compounding the benefit of fitting one to a ship such as a covetor or a hulk The Drake is a Lie |
pussnheels
535
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:37:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:[No.
They'll hope to get another buff by screaming about gankers as they get ganked. most likely but i am sure this is all they will get for a long time , it just amazes me that after all these months alarge number of them still go out untanked and afk mine , if they are unwilling to learn and adapt they deserve to be ganked , and that is final I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
444
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:38:00 -
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yeah, because nobody pointed this out when it was on sisi, right? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4309
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:47:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:most likely but i am sure this is all they will get for a long time , it just amazes me that after all these months alarge number of them still go out untanked and afk mine , if they are unwilling to learn and adapt they deserve to be ganked , and that is final
The consensus will change in time to "Well the mining barge buff wasn't enough, we're still losing our untanked hulks and mackinaws to destroyers!!!" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lexmana
690
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:53:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Which is good, because price double bottoms need nose dives. lol TA.
... it goes up or down or stays the same. |
pussnheels
535
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:01:00 -
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Andski wrote:pussnheels wrote:most likely but i am sure this is all they will get for a long time , it just amazes me that after all these months alarge number of them still go out untanked and afk mine , if they are unwilling to learn and adapt they deserve to be ganked , and that is final The consensus will change in time to "Well the mining barge buff wasn't enough, we're still losing our untanked hulks and mackinaws to destroyers!!!"
not often i find myself in agreement with a goon , but you are right sad but true , even tho the loss in yield isn't even that much if you go for a tank , sometimes i just don't understand them anymore, you fight a war of words for them and what they do ...bah , maybe there is a carreer as a ganker waiting for me I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
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Arcticblue2
Nordic Freelancers inc
54
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:56:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Best thing is that you dock your full mack in the orca that is also full to carry even more ore
Now that is not possible is it ?, I can't dock my covetor in my Orca with load, I can only dock after I dump the orebay.... that was like that also before the patch. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9035
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:22:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:I think everyone is forgetting that the bonuses that MLUs provide are applied to each laser, thus compounding the benefit of fitting one to a ship such as a covetor or a hulk. WhyGǪ no, how would anyone forget that? It's a yield percent bonus. You multiply old yield with bonus to get new yield. How can anyone possibly mess that up (especially now that all barges have the same effective amount of lasers before bonuses). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1833
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:26:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Which is good, because price double bottoms need nose dives. lol TA. ... it goes up or down or stays the same.
Well, after a confirmed double bottom it's very very hard for price to go down or stay the same. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:30:00 -
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Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol
One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity..... |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
565
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:35:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol
One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....
Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on.
They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention.
If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
MortisLegati
Caldari War Materiel
15
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:38:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Honestly I think they should just dump the Cargohold down to 2000 for Crystals and increase the ORE Bay to around 200k.
Then introduce light freighters if people miss their improvised hauler so much.
THIS THIS SO MUCH |
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:22:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol
One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....
Checking the weekend kill mail it seems that specialized gank setups like, Illest/Iller insurectionist for example, can do OK "mack ganking" with two destros. For everyone else its probaply 3 destroyers for a save mack kill
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Slaughterhouse
Xtar
Wena Corra
Soprano
Steve Ronuken wrote:
They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention.
Ice miner's exhumers are more vulnerable to ganks then roid miners because they probaply use the rigs slots for harvester modifications. Asteroid miner can fit the rig slots with extender/hardener modifications because cargo modifications are near to useless after the patch |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:26:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol
One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....
Better write an complain
Dear CCP, its terrible, ppl are no longer flying paper thin hulls that don't shoot back. Please force them back into such ships so I can blow them up easily for no risk . Its completely ruined mining ....... sulk
Tal
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
579
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:33:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:
The influx of bots is already noticeable, in last 4 days ive seen so many bots where before there were none. They come an go to the exact same spot, they act exactly same every time no matter what you do....
You realize they could just be - ignoring you, right? Ahh no, vanity.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
516
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:36:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Melodee619 wrote:
The influx of bots is already noticeable, in last 4 days ive seen so many bots where before there were none. They come an go to the exact same spot, they act exactly same every time no matter what you do....
You realize they could just be - ignoring you, right? Ahh no, vanity. Yeah any bets on cloaked ships near by or just afk pilots in Macks Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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