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Bocephus Morgen
The Suicide Kings Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.12 09:57:00 -
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Bare with me here, I've been drinking. Looking at EAS in their current form I noticed a few things.
- They are essentially smaller, faster, squishier Recons.
- They are similar to Stealth Bombers in that they don't tank particularly well, are only useful in certain situations, and get infinitely more useful with larger numbers.
So they don't tank well, and they only seem to do well in groups. Sounds like some other ships I know.....
So what am I getting at?
Give existing EASs a role bonus to Covert Ops Cloaking Device fitting and the ability to take Black-Ops bridges OR create a second variant and give them this capability (similar to Recons being split into Force and Combat).
This instantly makes these ships infinitely more useful, while giving lower SP pilots a feel for Recons. I am actually more of a fan of the idea of having two EASs per race in similar fashion to Combat and Force Recons. Obviously the slots and fitting would need adjusting, but that's a lot of effort for somebody as inebriated as I am, I'll try to hammer something out tomorrow.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4295
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:25:00 -
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The problem with making them "smaller recons" is that you're making them smaller recons. Homogenizing the two classes any further isn't going to do anything to bolster one or the other. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Bocephus Morgen
The Suicide Kings Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.08.12 14:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:The problem with making them "smaller recons" is that you're making them smaller recons. Homogenizing the two classes any further isn't going to do anything to bolster one or the other.
I disagree. HACs don't dilute Assault Frigates or vice versa. The mere existence of the ship class already implies they are miniature recons, yet they don't currently act as such. This proposal does make EASs worth flying, which provides a low SP, low ISK entry into T2 ewar ships. Welping a 200m+ ISK Rapier is much more painful than welping a 40-50m ISK Hyena.
As they stand now, they are almost useless*, and most other proposed buffs vary from silly to overpowered.
*Except for the Keres when used to **** off Makalu. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
836
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Posted - 2012.08.12 21:06:00 -
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Better idea: combine the Covert-ops and EAF in the same ship. Balance them accordingly.
Now the Covert-ops ship will be more useful than as an expensive probing-capable scout... and budding Ewar pilots can get a taste of what to expect with Recons. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Selaya Ataru
Pink Kitten Kommando To The Moon
10
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:27:00 -
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Or, if EAFs arent meant to be covert; make them as tough as Assault Frigates.
Recons can be brick tanked to be able to participate in ordinary fleets and do their job while being hard enough to receive RR. A Lachesis with a single point isnt much more fragile than a Cerberus for example.
If EAFs would be as tough as AFs, they would actually be able to do their job and have a place in frig gangs.
Obviously, the best solution would be to have both: a Covert EAF with slightly better tank, and a bricked out EAF that cant use Covops Cloaks but has slightly better boni for its job. |
Onslaughtor
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
5
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:46:00 -
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Personal I'd like to see the EAF get a MWD sig reduction like the Assault ships and the interceptor. This would make them better than recons in someways as at range + high speed they would be very hard to kill
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Evita KiDuj
The Suicide Kings Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:15:00 -
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Bocephus Morgen wrote:Bare with me here, I've been drinking. Looking at EAS in their current form I noticed a few things.
I agree the Emergency Alert Systems need to be buffed. I sometimes cannot hear the alerts as i get blown up.
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badasskitty
The Suicide Kings Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:15:00 -
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good idea, should work! |
Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
151
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:30:00 -
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Onslaughtor wrote:Personal I'd like to see the EAF get a MWD sig reduction like the Assault ships and the interceptor. This would make them better than recons in someways as at range + high speed they would be very hard to kill
See, I would more like to see them get the 10% per level afterburner speed boost they were suggesting for the assault frigates.
This would make them basically require dedicated anti frigate support to take them out which I think is great, and would set them apart from the rest of the e-war ships |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
99
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:54:00 -
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Sigras wrote: See, I would more like to see them get the 10% per level afterburner speed boost they were suggesting for the assault frigates.
This would make them basically require dedicated anti frigate support to take them out which I think is great, and would set them apart from the rest of the e-war ships
I think this is a good idea. Afterburner speed boost would make them unique and they would be able to play out their EWar much better. However, they would not get overpowered since they still would be slower than the fastest Afterburner Faction Frigs for example. |
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
181
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:27:00 -
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Ship class X doesn't work? SLAP A COVOPS CLOAK ON IT CAUTION
SNIGGS |
Gazmin VanBurin
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:39:00 -
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less cloaks, more AB bonus, also another Mid slot on a few would help, the hyena is so hard to fit |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
451
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:21:00 -
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Onslaughtor wrote:Personal I'd like to see the EAF get a MWD sig reduction like the Assault ships and the interceptor. This would make them better than recons in someways as at range + high speed they would be very hard to kill
This would be decent.... although I think they could use a targeting range buff too....
I think making these covert ships would actually be a bad thing.... I don't think BO's drops need this buff, but perhaps if you made them even LESS tanky than they currently are, it could be balanced... |
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