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Lego Maniac
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Posted - 2010.12.17 01:45:00 -
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I'm planning on doing Minmatar lv4 FW missions and the consensus is that a stealth bomber is best, so this means I need either the Purifier or the Nemesis to exploit the Amarr NPC resist holes
now that CCP has reimbursed my learning skills SP, I plan on spending a portion of it towards acquiring access to one of them
with SBs being roughly equal in pvp, the factors boil down to:
Amarr frig V + more damage on FW NPCs due to bigger resist hole + pads my skills flying a Slicer - none of the Amarrian T2 frigs are exceptional enough to write home about
Gallente frig V + access to the Ishkur + access to the Taranis (do people still care about these?) - less damage against the intended FW mobs
Things to consider: 1. I have both skills to IV already 2. I have access to both scorch and null (but not T2 rockets for the Vengeance, yet) 3. I don't care about either interdictor because I can fly a Sabre
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.17 02:22:00 -
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purifyer is the better bomber - infact, Hound and puri are comprable.
as for which one - do both man its like what. . a 9 day skill?
but amarr first imo. -----------
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Lego Maniac
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Posted - 2010.12.17 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa purifyer is the better bomber - infact, Hound and puri are comprable.
I probably should have made this more explicit, but when I said
Originally by: Lego Maniac I can fly a Sabre
it means that I can also fly a Hound - in fact, I have one (but is not suitable for my purpose) - does this alter your recommendation? as for doing both, I'm trying to stretch that reimbursed SP because I'm saving the early remap for now ˄ ______________ ˄
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2010.12.17 03:36:00 -
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Gallente frigates are kinda just better all around compared to amarr. Gallente get a good AF, ceptor and faction frig and you can fly a daredevil as well. Incursus and tristan aren't too bad either.
Taranis are still pretty awesome considering they only cost about 12 mil fitted, counting insurance. But they'll probably lose to a well fit dramiel.
The amarr frigate lineup just isn't quite as good.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.12.17 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lego Maniac - none of the Amarrian T2 frigs are exceptional enough to write home about
Crusader is pretty ace and while I haven't flown it, I hear the Sentinel is good. Anathema is also the best looking covops for whatever that's worth ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Maylin Li
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.17 04:42:00 -
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Crusader, Slicer are about equal to Taranis and Fed Navy Comet. All four are solid ships. You can't really go wrong here with either Amarr or Gallente frigate to 5.
If you enjoy flying AFs, then Gallente Frigate might be the way to go, although, since you already have Minmatar frigate 5, you already have decent AF options (Wolf / Jaguar), so unless you really want to fly an Ishkur, it's not much of a swing either side.
Stealth Bomber and EAS wise, Amarr and superior, Sentinel and Purifier are both better than the Keres and Nemesis.
When it comes to Pirate frigates, Gallente Frigate 5 gets you both Daredevil and Dramiel maxed. And both are probably more common and make more sense in solo/small gang PvP than the Cruor does.
So really, I'd say go for Amarr, unless you want to / fly pirate frigates often.
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Lego Maniac
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Posted - 2010.12.17 05:23:00 -
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Why do people consider the Purifier > Nemesis? Doesn't thermal make more sense if I were to go around tossing bombs in 0.0? ˄ ______________ ˄
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.12.17 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lego Maniac I'm planning on doing Minmatar lv4 FW missions
Purifier then as the amarr rats are super easy to tank.
[Purifier, Phoon Pharmer] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner Medium Shield Extender II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.12.17 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: ShahFluffers on 17/12/2010 06:49:27
Originally by: Lego Maniac Why do people consider the Purifier > Nemesis? Doesn't thermal make more sense if I were to go around tossing bombs in 0.0?
Yes... but that isn't the issue. The issue is that the Nemesis is a ***** to fit compared to the Purifier. Plus the Nemesis is (for some reason) less agile compared to the other stealth bombers. _______________________
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Darius Brinn
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Posted - 2010.12.17 08:40:00 -
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Nemesis is much more difficult to fit, it's less agile, and has one less low, which would have been much more useful (IMHO) than the fourth mid.
I'm still skilling up for (and bought me already) a Nemesis, because **** yeah, I'm masochistically Gallente. But it sucks compared to Hound and Purifier.
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Lego Maniac
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Posted - 2010.12.17 08:47:00 -
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alrighty then, I'm sold on Amarr frig V
thank you to all who responded ˄ ______________ ˄
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Mocam
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Posted - 2010.12.17 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lego Maniac alrighty then, I'm sold on Amarr frig V
thank you to all who responded
Either works and Amarr is a good choice...
"Amarr is easier to fit" -- This means dink if you're going for 5's with a SB like this and covert ops to 5 is worth a hell of a lot more than torps to 5 or warhead upgrades to 5 with respect to SB use -- 15% torp damage bonus per level. I've been flying a Nemesis for several months and this "harder to fit" -- I never hit fitting issues with how I wanted it fit so this comment always struck me as more "theory of fitting" than actual fitting the ship.
Look at the rest of the lineup of what opens up for you as well. Gallente + Minmitar opens up 2 pirate frigates vs 1 from Minmitar + Amarr. Not a major deal but something to consider for other uses and options plus the 2 pirate ships are both very potent -- dramiel often being called "the best" frigate in the game.
Again, it's a choice issue and neither is a bad choice but those fitting comments... They don't seem to apply beyond looking for problems versus the reality of fitting and flying the ship.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.12.17 11:21:00 -
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Worthwhile hulls. Amarr: Slicer, Vengeance, Crusader/Malediction, Sentinel, Suck-a-bus/Cruor. Gallente: Tristan, Incursus, Taranis, Ishkur, Keres (god tackle in medium plexes), Daredevil/Dramiel.
If the plan is to join the unwashed rabble, aka. Matar, then go Amarr first. Navy rats die hilariously fast to laser fire ... Gallente however has many more solo capable ships and since FW is about the Pew ...
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Beyond Control.
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Posted - 2010.12.17 18:10:00 -
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FOR the SB only go amarr..
I recommend Gallante and Minmatar which is at most a 9 day train from 0 skills for both. This gets you the Dram, and Hound in addition the the wonderful line of gallante t2 frigs, as well as the mini interceptors. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.17 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lego Maniac I'm planning on doing Minmatar lv4 FW missions and the consensus is that a stealth bomber is best, so this means I need either the Purifier or the Nemesis to exploit the Amarr NPC resist holes
now that CCP has reimbursed my learning skills SP, I plan on spending a portion of it towards acquiring access to one of them
with SBs being roughly equal in pvp, the factors boil down to:
Amarr frig V + more damage on FW NPCs due to bigger resist hole + pads my skills flying a Slicer - none of the Amarrian T2 frigs are exceptional enough to write home about
Gallente frig V + access to the Ishkur + access to the Taranis (do people still care about these?) - less damage against the intended FW mobs
Things to consider: 1. I have both skills to IV already 2. I have access to both scorch and null (but not T2 rockets for the Vengeance, yet) 3. I don't care about either interdictor because I can fly a Sabre
What say ye Ships & Mods?
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