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millsy4606
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:15:00 -
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Hi,
for past few weeks been living out in null sec and have reaped the rewards of doing sanctums and havens to feed the pvp habit, however a new tactic we have seen recently is that reds come into our system, in cloaked ships and sit on the sites preventing them from despawnin once they are completed, and we are not just talking about 1 red, there are usually up to 6 at a time each at different sites.
Now me personally think this is an exploit, if you was using them ship types to gank capsuleers whilst doing them sites then that fine, thats what the ship and mods are designed to be used for, not to sit in AFK for 12hours whilst he plays on his main character.
we have tried baiting, had fleet of interceptors flying around 1 anomally for 3 hours trying to decloak them to no avail.
Something needs to be done as this must be an exploit, if not them something needs to be added to the sites so they automaticly despawn regardless after a set time, or maybe something that can be deployed to stop ships cloaking or actually decloak them.
welcome any feedback or possible solutions to this.
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Jokerface666
Amarr The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:19:00 -
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Like i've posted recently,
i would like to have the Cloaks malfunctions sometimes, like 1 % of the cloak cycles goes wrong and the cloak stops so you have to cloak again.
this DEFINATLY would stop AFK cloakers, anad give more action to this side of the game.
BR, Joker o7
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:26:00 -
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I would like for cloaks to consume fuel. Lets say about 100 m3 / hour.
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Jokerface666
Amarr The Warp Squad
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:30:00 -
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yeah would probably also be a solutions,
it is only needed to prevent cloaks from running 24h.
i'd like the malfunctions thing becouse scouts would then really have to think of what they're doing, not only sitting somwhere 30 km away and watching at someone, they'd always have to be aligned to make sure and so on.
but i like the fuel idea also.
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Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:34:00 -
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How about a fleet of Rapiers, Arazu's and Falcon's cloaked off your precious NPCs, then as soon as this guy decloaks to grab you they decloak and **** them.
Alternatively/above that have a fleet of battlecruisers and hacs out of scanning range aligned to the thing, then when the blackops emerge you pwn them into non-existence. See if they keep harassing you if you kill their most prized posessions. ---
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millsy4606
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gemberslaafje How about a fleet of Rapiers, Arazu's and Falcon's cloaked off your precious NPCs, then as soon as this guy decloaks to grab you they decloak and **** them.
Alternatively/above that have a fleet of battlecruisers and hacs out of scanning range aligned to the thing, then when the blackops emerge you pwn them into non-existence. See if they keep harassing you if you kill their most prized posessions.
thats the idea however not what these guys are doing in our system, we welcome being ganked means we get to kill them, not this hiding S^%$!
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Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: millsy4606
Originally by: Gemberslaafje How about a fleet of Rapiers, Arazu's and Falcon's cloaked off your precious NPCs, then as soon as this guy decloaks to grab you they decloak and **** them.
Alternatively/above that have a fleet of battlecruisers and hacs out of scanning range aligned to the thing, then when the blackops emerge you pwn them into non-existence. See if they keep harassing you if you kill their most prized posessions.
thats the idea however not what these guys are doing in our system, we welcome being ganked means we get to kill them, not this hiding S^%$!
I don't see your point, if he's not ganking you what's the problem? just go NPCing then.. ---
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:34:00 -
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Which isnt possible since the anomalies arent respawning because people are in them
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Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
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Posted - 2010.12.20 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Which isnt possible since the anomalies arent respawning because people are in them
aahh, sorry, /me should've put my learning SP into reading lvl 5... ---
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.20 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 20/12/2010 12:31:39 Maybe they feel, as I do, that you shouldn't have NPC's on tap for safe and easy farming. I'll definitely be adding this tactic to Cloakers corporation for use in the future. Thank you. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up. |
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millsy4606
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Posted - 2010.12.20 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 20/12/2010 12:31:39 Maybe they feel, as I do, that you shouldn't have NPC's on tap for safe and easy farming. I'll definitely be adding this tactic to Cloakers corporation for use in the future. Thank you.
any body who actually rats in 0.0 space can attest that it is not safe, there is a constant threat of hotdrops, cloakys, stealth bombers and all sorts, but what these guys are doing are the none above, they sit their doing nothing.
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Sigras
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:29:00 -
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ive even seen people using grid-fu to get > 1,000 KM and still technically "on grid"
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.12.20 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 20/12/2010 15:11:35
Geez, people seem to be very, very bored nowadays ^^
I have to admit it's a pretty resourceful tactic, but at the same time it's kinda lame and it exploits the game mechanics in a way they surely weren't meant to be 'used'. Hey, it's basically another example of how infinite or unlimited stats or abilities, in this case cloak suration, tend to create problems. Anyway, if there's supposed to be a 'harassment' tactic against enemy plexes or sites, the devs should implement a regular one, not some borderline exploit a clever player comes up with.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.20 16:53:00 -
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Have you tried petitioning them over it ? It might be considered harassment perhaps, same as bumping freighters in shuttle to prevent them from warping.
I would not hold my breath over it ofc, but you never know. CCP sometimes classes stuff as exploit if the receiving end has no counters available. For example nijaing the mission loot that did not flag you as viable target was classed exploit a while ago.
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millsy4606
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Posted - 2010.12.20 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex Have you tried petitioning them over it ? It might be considered harassment perhaps, same as bumping freighters in shuttle to prevent them from warping.
I would not hold my breath over it ofc, but you never know. CCP sometimes classes stuff as exploit if the receiving end has no counters available. For example nijaing the mission loot that did not flag you as viable target was classed exploit a while ago.
petitioned it and went through 3 GM's, all pretty much said same thing, that its not an exploit but a game mechanic 1 did link me to this forum and recommended that i post something to get it changed etc...so here i am!
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.20 21:33:00 -
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The proper solution is to fix anomaly respawning, not nerf cloaks
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.21 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: millsy4606
Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 20/12/2010 12:31:39 Maybe they feel, as I do, that you shouldn't have NPC's on tap for safe and easy farming. I'll definitely be adding this tactic to Cloakers corporation for use in the future. Thank you.
any body who actually rats in 0.0 space can attest that it is not safe, there is a constant threat of hotdrops, cloakys, stealth bombers and all sorts, but what these guys are doing are the none above, they sit their doing nothing.
We both know that this danger is not really there. With local you can exist in 0.0 in complete safety if you are willing to dock or log as soon as a nuetral or red comes into system. Cloaks are balancing devices, balancing the risk free high profit safety of local by adding a little bit of possible danger. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up. |
Doctero
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.12.21 01:12:00 -
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Don't anomalies still despawn after 4 days?
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Kabaal S'sylistha
Caldari Technomage Trilogy Crimson Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.21 04:25:00 -
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Man, the lengths people will go to rationalize bad game mechanics.
Because it exits != It is a good game mechanic.
Now, with cloaking itself the issue is most player suggested fixes just make cloaks absolutely useless, so play on player, play on.
But trying to justify it being ok to use said cloak to effectively cause monetary damage is a bit much. You can't even use the "ECCM stacking can do it too!" since (afaik) the ECCM users would have to be on grid and showing. -More Pewpew, Less QQ- |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2010.12.21 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 20/12/2010 12:31:39 Maybe they feel, as I do, that you shouldn't have NPC's on tap for safe and easy farming. I'll definitely be adding this tactic to Cloakers corporation for use in the future. Thank you.
Go for it. The more people abuse the all but complete safety cloaks provide, the faster they'll get nerfed.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.12.21 08:21:00 -
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We were told by a GM that staying in an anomily cloaked to prevent it respawning was an exploit and could result in banning.
-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
millsy4606
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Posted - 2010.12.21 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rhinanna We were told by a GM that staying in an anomily cloaked to prevent it respawning was an exploit and could result in banning.
do you remember what GM?
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.21 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 21/12/2010 10:15:28
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 20/12/2010 12:31:39 Maybe they feel, as I do, that you shouldn't have NPC's on tap for safe and easy farming. I'll definitely be adding this tactic to Cloakers corporation for use in the future. Thank you.
Go for it. The more people abuse the all but complete safety cloaks provide, the faster they'll get nerfed.
Its unlikely they'll be nerfed. If they are, unlike nullbears, we will adapt and find another way to make your 0.0 carebearing fearful. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up. |
Envious Position
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Posted - 2010.12.21 18:22:00 -
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Income denial is a reasonable war strategy, and should be part of the game.
Deal with it. Respond in kind. Do something different.
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2010.12.21 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Chuc Morris on 21/12/2010 18:43:21
Originally by: Ephemeron The proper solution is to fix anomaly respawning, not nerf cloaks
These guys actions is exactly what "reds" or pirates inspire to most players, what i don't understand and never accept is to read from some "real pirates" that they are ashame when they read anti-pirate coments.
It's about time to make some cleaning on your own ranks red-guys or the only thing you'll get in return is more and more anti-pirate posts and more and more anti-piracy systems. You will loose this war, it's a matter of time.
ATM "pirates" look more like Hackers and their only ability is to exploit game faillures on their own profit with no consequences for them.
+1 and ability to those mobs to decloak any ship inside their op range.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.12.21 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Envious Position Income denial is a reasonable war strategy, and should be part of the game.
Deal with it. Respond in kind. Do something different.
Using exploits to do so however is not. This is a clear and simple unintended use of game mechanics and should be treated as the cheating it is.
Unfortunately I can't remember which GM it was, I know a russian player was instructed not to do it any more by a GM when we were living in Insmother and they were doing it to us.
I've no objection to Income denial, I do have objections to exploits. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.12.21 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Caldera on 21/12/2010 19:44:06
whether exploit or not depends of how GMs think about the whole thing, if they consider it as income denial tactic it cant be an exploit in the same time.
0.0 bears should HTFU and STFU already about cloaky tactics, there is still too small number of methods for effectively disrupting 0.0 bearing, there should be more of them.
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Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.12.21 20:00:00 -
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It this isn't an exploit, then I don't know what is. When afk cloakers are just sitting in the systems, the counter is to simply ignore them. Even then it's almost crossing the line, as they don't have to put in any effort to stay online, but whatever they can be ignored. But in this case, there's no way to counter them, anomalies - main source of the income ain't respawning and there's nothing anyone could do.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.12.21 20:10:00 -
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bearing disruptive tactics are all welcome
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Joss56
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.22 00:32:00 -
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Pvp'ers spirit strikes again, nice.
I love this, it shows how easy it is for a single player to ruin other players experience in game, and nobody can/want do anything about it.
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