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Zebs Clone
Minmatar
Zebra Corp
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.20 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zebs Clone on 20/12/2010 12:07:33
had an issue with the extraction amounts. i need 48k per hour to run my factorys. so i select the 2d 10h cycle showing 48167/hour i hit select and the extracters start mining. as soon as they start mining / i hit the button, the amount drops from teh 48167 amount shown to a lesser amount of 41245.
tried this a few times and it always drops to a lower amount after i select the one just above 48k/hour.
am i going mental or has anyone else seen this issue
edit, seams that each time i stop the program the amount goes back to what it was 48k. so is thsi jsut a graphical bug?
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CCP Tuxford
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:22:00 -
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It's because you are working on not perfect data. When you press Install Program we do an actual "Scan" in the sense that we get the values from the server.
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Zebs Clone
Minmatar
Zebra Corp
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:24:00 -
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so every time we install we will have to cancell it after and set it to teh correct amount, even though thats not displayed even after the install cancell process?
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CCP Tuxford
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zebs Clone
so every time we install we will have to cancell it after and set it to teh correct amount, even though thats not displayed even after the install cancell process?
I'm sorry I don't really get what you're asking about, can you clarify a bit.
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Zebs Clone
Minmatar
Zebra Corp
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Zebs Clone on 20/12/2010 13:41:20
when your setting the amount to be extracted. im looking for 48000 every hour.
so i set it in the extract hub panel to just over that 48123 which was 2d 10h. i hit apply.
the amount 48123 changes to 43657.
so while i wnated to mine the first amount, what im actually getting is less. you said that its when you hit apply that it does the "scan". this would imply that only after we hit teh apply button would we get a true amount to be mined, meaning that we woudld have to cancell the extraction and go back in and adjust it for the reduced out put.
im hoping teh dropped amount when you hit apply is just a graphical bug
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CCP Tuxford
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:43:00 -
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No it's not a graphical bug, it's actually you working in not perfect information. You can't really guarantee that the output will be over 48k each cycle as it does vary. This doesn't always work against you though as you might very well get better results than you hoped for.
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STONED OPERATOR
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:47:00 -
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Train planetology skills as high as possible and that will give you the most accurate estimate. Seems the extractor crawling will not work as an alternative. Also the "bug" that don't let you submit changes sometimes, might be a form of counter measure for extractor crawling as well ...
ps
Would be nice if there would be a choice in extraction methods, current decaying method and a conventional method with fixed extraction rate but with less mineral extracted in total.
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Zebs Clone
Minmatar
Zebra Corp
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Zebs Clone on 20/12/2010 13:51:26
so basicly we set it to one amount and get another?
also everytime ive seen this its a lesser amount by almost a factorys input value.
i can not think of anything more anoying that having to set an amount, then reset it via guess work 25 sec's later thanks to a session timer.
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my skills for scanning are at 4/4 and will not be going higher.
surley by adjusting the duration thingy and getting results i am scanning
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.20 14:35:00 -
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Also, where are you getting the amount/hour figure?
If it's from the individual bars in the program window, or from the average? If it's the latter, you might simply be seeing a cycle that gets less than average`
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.12.20 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zebs Clone
i can not think of anything more anoying that having to set an amount, then reset it via guess work 25 sec's later thanks to a session timer.
This.
Where is the fun with that?
In my opinion the whole system with extractors and stuff should be screwed and all worked new from scratch. Otherwise it will be all patchworking a bad (or at best mediocre) system. You will never get something unique and brilliant out of it this way. Just my cc. |
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.12.20 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmwolke on 20/12/2010 15:51:27
Originally by: Zebs Clone
i can not think of anything more anoying that having to set an amount, then reset it via guess work 25 sec's later thanks to a session timer.
I have to agree with the OP. The discrepancy in amount from the inital placement to what you get after running the program is simply annoying and contributes little to gameplay. Keep in mind, people that do PI have an interest in keeping the factory running as optimally as possible, this means getting the avg output as precisely as possible.
When you throw a spanner into the calculations, it ticks people off especially when it involves trivial and tedious re-adjustments to get the numbers right. This is simply backsliding into the design concept that spawned the original zillions click PI that you're trying to replace.
If the basis for this issue is technical, then please create an extra survey ping button (limit to 1 press per 30-60sec, or even longer if need be) to query the server for the exact figure. The guesswork need to go.
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Zebs Clone
Minmatar
Zebra Corp
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.20 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Also, where are you getting the amount/hour figure?
If it's from the individual bars in the program window, or from the average? If it's the latter, you might simply be seeing a cycle that gets less than average`
its the average figure in both the window/bar thing and the figure in the bottom right hand side. im looking for an average of 48k/h and after i hit apply ive seen it change to amounts from 42k and 47k.
what seams to be worse is if i go and try to reduce the duration of the extraction period so the average should be higher and then hit apply it actually ends up being lower than the 42k i ended up with the first time i set it.
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