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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 17/01/2005 15:01:45 In all other classes bar ceptors, Minmatar ships have the lowest mass, for some reason for ceptors, they have the highest mass ---> see here
Can we get that fixed please to say:
Stiletto: 1,000,000 kg Claw: 1,025,000 kg
and not to sound picky but the crow mass/speed is very 'untypical' of caldari ships. In fact the whole mass/speed of the ceptor class seems a little backwards imo.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:06:00 -
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Well it might not seem right, but even with mwd's involved, the claw will go fastest of them all. Stiletto is, however, slower.
I think its fine the way it is now. Minmatar are still fastest, followed by Amarr, and then Caldari/Gallente are similar.
It was probably done so that the minnie inty's wouldn't go obscenely fast and wtfpwn everything in sight.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
It was probably done so that the minnie inty's wouldn't go obscenely fast and wtfpwn everything in sight.
they cant anyway - the artys are too slow tracking and the ac range is far too close to justify high speeds.
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Muad 'dib
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
It was probably done so that the minnie inty's wouldn't go obscenely fast and wtfpwn everything in sight.
OMG, jeeebus that was close, the minmatars were almost good at something! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Muad 'dib
OMG, jeeebus that was close, the minmatars were almost good at something!
LOL - Indeed!
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:39:00 -
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yeah, fix the mass \o\ ----- ----- -----
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:51:00 -
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It's not broken, so no fix.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:24:00 -
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It seems to me that CCP realised that giving the minnie inties the usual speed advantage would make them rather uber as inties go, and as such nerfed them back a bit with extra mass. Being faster than your opponent makes a big difference in the sort 1 vs 1 fights inty pilots love.
Of course, this does leave them with no discernable advantage or racial strength, so does seem a little unfair. Not sure there is an easy answer though. In general, the tech II ships often seem to reduce racial differences rather than enhance them.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 17/01/2005 16:27:54
"and not to sound picky but the crow mass/speed is very 'untypical' of caldari ships."
Can't we have one ship that doesn't take a week to turn around? ;.;
No one is complaining the Minmatar have one decent missile boat, and a tier 1 battleship that can sport as many missile launchers as Caldari tier 1 battleship... but one somewhat fast Caldari ship and it's omgwtfccpendoftheworld >.<
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 17/01/2005 16:31:08
Originally by: j0sephine
Can't we have one ship that doesn't take a week to turn around? ;.;
you dont need to turn - your missiles do that for you!
if we are talking ceptor vs ceptor, the long range weps wont hit them, so its a battle of the blasters vs autocannons vs pulses vs light missiles. In which case the blasters win closely followed by the stay at 10k/web and spam missile crows
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:29:00 -
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"you dont need to turn - your missiles do that for you! "
Fine, you can have the slow Crow when you give up on the Breacher and 4 missile slots in Typhoon, how about that? ;p
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Can't we have one ship that doesn't take a week to turn around? ;.;
NO.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 17/01/2005 16:34:49
Originally by: j0sephine
Fine, you can have the slow Crow when you give up on the Breacher and 4 missile slots in Typhoon, how about that? ;p
ok ive not flown a breacher in a while but my old tactics were stay at 30k and spam missiles while someone else goes in for the web, was more of a group ship that one. As for phoon, it doesnt really turn much anyway and as picke dup on in the other thread recieves no bonus for those missiles.
Im not suggesting a nerf the crow, more pointing out the weird balance between them as if the speed of the minmater is nerfed to balance with the others in the one area its meant to make a difference against the lower armour/cap/targeting range.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.01.17 16:38:00 -
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"Im not suggesting a nerf the crow, more pointing out the weird balance between them as if the speed of the minmater is nerfed to balance with the others in the one area its meant to make a difference against the lower armour/cap/targeting range."
Aye, but you do know how these weird things tend to get fixed... now i fear to see Crow in the next patch with extra lead weight attached, "for balance"... one of the size of a Scorpion o.o;;
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.18 04:55:00 -
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Breacher sucks now anyway. It lost its velocity bonus! Gained a missile damage bonus yes, but its slow as molasses now.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.01.18 06:39:00 -
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Seems pretty average for interceptors, mass-wise. My Crusader is 1,050,000.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.01.18 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 18/01/2005 06:46:14
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Seems pretty average for interceptors, mass-wise. My Crusader is 1,050,000.
Those numbers are what he wants it changed too. Claw mass is 1,125,000 now, and stiletto is 1,100,000.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.01.18 07:02:00 -
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Oh. Jesus, I guess that is something.
I'm starting to think the weakness of Minmatar ships is intentional. Two reasons for this, the first being the description of the Minmatar in character creation as "the underdogs" or some such... and second, because no innocent blunder during balancing could account for the violent effectiveness disparity between Minmatar ships and the rest of Eve.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.18 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 18/01/2005 07:32:11 Maybe CCP is racist
More seriously, I think the claw is pretty good. Its, basically, a fast taranis that does less damage. About the only inty that can go faster than a claw without totally screwing its setup is a Crusader, and this is with the mass involved.
Of course, this doesn't help the rest of the ships.
edit: I just ran the numbers, apparently a claw IS slower... and a Crow is about the fastest one, just a bit (a couple dozen m/s) slower than a Crusader. While being the most versatile one of them all.
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Erucyll Turon
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Posted - 2005.01.18 07:54:00 -
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crusader 4 teh win as its long range weapons can actually hit while orbitting at 1500 m/s + it can also fit a full rack where as on the claw youd have to put 2 artils 2 launchers..
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Talona
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Posted - 2005.01.18 09:36:00 -
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Yeah, it is a bit silly that the ships with the superior high tech light weight whatever materials are actually a good deal heavier than an ordinary slasher ...
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Fred Meyer
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Posted - 2005.01.19 22:41:00 -
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We all know how accurate thsoe descriptions are. Just like the one for the Cruise Missle where its states it has trouble tracking small fast ships.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2005.01.20 01:33:00 -
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So this is basically.. OMFG I am trained to Caldari frig V and I dont want to train Minmitar frig V so please nerf them...
Caldari cant be good at everything DEAL WITH IT Dude
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.01.20 03:08:00 -
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Actually minnie frigs wouldnt be that fast if they took the mass down and took away their speed bonus...Theyd still be about where they are now, so why *****? --
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