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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:48:00 -
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EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life.
With this background in mind, I'd like to raise the question "How come there are no priests in EVE?" (or if there are "priests", who are they?)
One feature of many real-life societies seems to be the division into a clerical class, a warrior class and a producing class.
And while the warrior class and the producing class are clearly separated in EVE (admittedly more clearly on the character level than on the player level), the metagame has not brought forth anything resembling an actual clerical class from my point of view.
The closest we have come to the development of a priest class is probably some 0.0 alliances that keep political leadership and (tactical) military leadership carefully separated - but even alliance leaders that never log into the game itself lack any association with the sacred (and the authority this creates).
How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies? I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
427
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:50:00 -
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They're called Guardian pilots. |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:53:00 -
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Someone keeps dumping cans with bible quotes around my gates. Does that count...? |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:55:00 -
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Because no one care about religion when science reigns supreme. We get enough evangelical nutters in the real world. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:55:00 -
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What? There are no set careers in EVE. Guys from warrior tribes are traders, people from trading ancestry are soldiers and my background say Mercenary for what that is worth.
If you want to be a priest start preaching, not like they have magical powers or anything, it is a voice and an idea. That is what is great about EVE, your background means less then your goals.
No set classes in EVE. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:56:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:They're called Guardian pilots.
And scimi pilots.
brb |
Bloutok
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:57:00 -
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Religion is a way of live, a book that tell you what you can and cannot do. It is strict in the sense that you are in it or out. It is a way of forming groups that will feel that they belong.
It is a lot of other things but it is enough for my point.
Isn't Eve about having really big egos at the top of the piramid who will tell you how to live or else ? |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:59:00 -
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Holy **** where do I start with this one. WOW IS THAT WAY --->
Really.....I honestly dont think priests should be allowed to play MMO due to the large child populations that play them it leads to bad things with priests touching you in special places.
Jerry Sandusky called he wants his child **** returned.
Before you know it these WOW Refugees will be asking for a mission group finder so they dont have to actually talk to other players. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
163
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:59:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life
I have never heard anyone say they hope they could use EVE as a comparison for how RL develops. Usually it's that EVE is where people show their "true colors" or lets people be douches more easily.
As for priests in EVE...
Our Guardians who art in space, hallowed be thy vessel, thy energy come, thy remote repair be done, on armor that protects me. Give us today our daily repair. Forgive us our damages, as we also have damaged our enemies. And lead us not into structure, but deliver us from the loss of our ship.
Amen. |
Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
299
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:02:00 -
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There's this Space Therapist in Amarr local. That's your space priest right there. An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846 |
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Roki Romani
Rokirith Inc Genx 7
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:04:00 -
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From the article you linked, the clerical class is "is associated with the function of sovereignty".
There is an incredible amount of work that goes into leading a corporation or alliance. It is not particularly visible in most cases because it mostly happens in spreadsheets and email trails, but it's there. Even leading such a small corp as my own, I generally find I put more hours into this game while logged off than logged on.
Now if you want to see some real examples of EVE priests in action, then I recommend watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-lc-eX7A4o
In particular, pay attention to the last 3 speakers. These guys lead almost cult-like followings, and they ooze a a charisma that is tailored towards their specific target audiences. If you've been following the alliance tournament, you'll see some of these same people showing up in the pre-match discussions. They're active and visible, and have no shortage of people listening to their opinions. |
stoicfaux
1415
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:06:00 -
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Priests are for other people. Pod pilots are the gods. * Immortality. Check. * Meddling. Check. * Omniscience, aka local. Check. * Entire populations doing your bidding (PI, alliances, corps.) Check. * Wrath of God, aka Orbital Bombardment. Check. * Too busy doing Important Stuff to be Concerned About Little Timmy's Incurable Illness. Check.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Syler Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
17
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:12:00 -
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Because its a game.
Lore wise Pod Pilots are in fact Gods at least in comparison to the civilian population. |
Roki Romani
Rokirith Inc Genx 7
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:15:00 -
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Syler Puuntai wrote:Lore wise Pod Pilots are in fact Gods at least in comparison to the civilian population. Well sure, they call themselves Gods.... But so did the Goa'uld! >:)
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Lucy Oreless
Raptus-Regaliter EntroPraetorian Aegis
19
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:15:00 -
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There are no priests in EVE because we are all mostly to old for them.. If a game directed at skinny little choirboys came out, then you would see more priests rallied than if Jesus came back.
protestant or catholic only tells if u like your choirboy oral or anal btw!
Amen!
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:16:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Holy **** where do I start with this one. WOW IS THAT WAY --->
Really.....I honestly dont think priests should be allowed to play MMO due to the large child populations that play them it leads to bad things with priests touching you in special places.
Jerry Sandusky called he wants his child **** returned.
Before you know it these WOW Refugees will be asking for a mission group finder so they dont have to actually talk to other players.
You're an idiot. He's talking about in societal/sociological aspects, not an actual priest. Contract me your stuff and biomass. You do not meet the IQ level required for this game. |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
614
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:16:00 -
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this thread needs to go away, far away, like taken on an ark and crash landed into some rocks kinda far away The Like button is over there --> and up a lil bit. <3 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9047
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:20:00 -
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Every corp CEO, diplomat, spy, PR person and general shiptoaster fills the clerical function in EVE. There are more of them than of any of the other two classes, so I'm kind of wondering how you missed themGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Nex apparatu5
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
332
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:34:00 -
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12/10 |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
375
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:40:00 -
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Try reading the eve books... Amarr are mad for religion.
Now just create an Amarrian character and roleplay a God botherer. |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2331
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:46:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies? No chefs in EVE, either.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
756
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:47:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies? No chefs in EVE, either.
Or butlers. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
782
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:51:00 -
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Well, in our current society who are "priests". Most priests are carryovers from an older generation and are slowly dying out.
Priests essentially are meant to be social guides on the path to proper social interaction between people and their environment. So, lets redefine your idea of "Priests" and lets call them Social Guides.
Social Guides are gonna be all over the place in EVE. They're your PVP teachers, your corporations CEO's right hand man who keeps his guys in check. They're the corp member that everyone goes to talk to when drama hits the wall, etc.
An official "priest" position is clearly a bit absurd from that vantage. But social examples are all over the place. They're just not always the good guys. :)
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Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
96
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:54:00 -
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Oh, OP you need to think more outside the box.
Eve is like medieval times, I agree...you have a warrior class and a producer class....I also agree.
However, the priest class exists in Eve. It is not religious because who needs relgion in a game. If Eve was real, then we would probably see it. However, it is a game.
The 'priest' class exists in Eve just not in a form you recognise. The 'priest' class are the builders of alliances. The diplomats, the making sure the Infrastructure is there for the alliance people. The warrior class may or may not do this much...but there ARE people out there that devote insane amount of time to this.
Yup...the priest class are the logistics people |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:57:00 -
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IRL: There's a toon called PriestSJ (or something like that) that helps host Fly Reckless now. He's a man of the cloth in real life. And I'm an ordained minister in the Universal Life Church myself (performed two marriages IRL).
In-game: The Amarrian culture is full of spiritual types according to lore and background.
Oh, and I'm hoping and praying you don't mean a priest "class". If you do, go back to WoW. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
272
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:17:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:They're called Guardian pilots.
:Logi fist bump: |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
867
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:26:00 -
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I think I get the question.
The political meta game is the societal priest caste. Striking deals to avoid the warriors and an exchange of goods to keep the commoners busy. Unless its high/low sec. Then the game mechanics are the moral leadership in what can and cant be accomplished. There are similar actions to be bartered but not to the scale you are asking about.
It's not clearly defined in the game as it is player content. Not everything in EVE can be represented with spaceships. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United Asgard Supplies and Logistics
68
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:31:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:EVE players and developers alike tend to praise the game for its emergent social structures and frequently express the hope that EVE as a "social experiment" can help us understand how similar structures came to be in real-life. With this background in mind, I'd like to raise the question "How come there are no priests in EVE?"(or if there are "priests", who are they?) One feature of many real-life societies seems to be the division into a clerical class, a warrior class and a producing class. And while the warrior class and the producing class are clearly separated in EVE (admittedly more clearly on the character level than on the player level), the metagame has not brought forth anything resembling an actual clerical class from my point of view. The closest we have come to the development of a priest class is probably some 0.0 alliances that keep political leadership and (tactical) military leadership carefully separated - but even alliance leaders that never log into the game itself lack any association with the sacred (and the authority this creates). How come we do just fine without priests in EVE (without even noticing their absence) when we apparently can't do entirely without them in our (enlightened, 21st century) real life societies?
They're called Shiptoasters in Eve. Serious answer. I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
WAXER Hinken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:44:00 -
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what the f*ck? your OP is confusing is hell.
it seems to be predicated on a view of society that might have been prevelant prior to the 20th century. i'll sum things up for you: the priests and religion were proto-scientists. They asked and answered the quetions how did we get here, what are we doing, how do we do it, and why. Science and religion diverge with the introduction of the scientific method. One is grounded in the provable, the other in the currently unprovable, but both concern themselves with how the universe and existence work and how we can work within that framework. In EVE, the scientists (and i don't mean the character role) and priests, the "thinkers" as it were, are all around you. |
WAXER Hinken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:46:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:IRL: There's a toon called PriestSJ (or something like that) that helps host Fly Reckless now. He's a man of the cloth in real life. And I'm an ordained minister in the Universal Life Church myself (performed two marriages IRL).
In-game: The Amarrian culture is full of spiritual types according to lore and background.
Oh, and I'm hoping and praying you don't mean a priest "class". If you do, go back to WoW. you guys aren't the only reverends playing either! i know of at least one more for sure. |
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