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Rex Garvin
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Posted - 2010.12.25 06:46:00 -
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Tell me about the good old days when macro users were few. Tell me about the good old days when PLEX prices were low. Tell me about the good old days when an Ice Miner could make a good living in EVE. Tell me about the good old days when EVE expansions were meaningful and fun. Tell me about the good old days when CCP put game content before profit. Tell me about the good old days.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.25 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/12/2010 06:51:19
The good old days sucked. The sucky todays are better.
P.S. I've got a theory... it could be bunnies ! _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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MailOrder RussianBride
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Posted - 2010.12.25 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when CCP put game content before profit.
You mean the good old days when CCP wasn't a business designed to make money and existing simply for satisfying your wants and desires? Can you give me a time frame on that?
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Ephemeron
Solitairian Society
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Posted - 2010.12.25 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: MailOrder RussianBride
Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when CCP put game content before profit.
You mean the good old days when CCP wasn't a business designed to make money and existing simply for satisfying your wants and desires? Can you give me a time frame on that?
It's pretty hard to believe, but there was a time when they cared about the game more than money.
Just cause something is a business, doesn't mean it can't have ideals.
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.12.25 07:08:00 -
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Bah Humbug!
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Xercodo
Amarr INESTO Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.25 07:16:00 -
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afaik its been exactly the same for the past 2 years by those criteria
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Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.25 07:20:00 -
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The only part of that which is true.
Is that 30 day GTC were 150m.
And not 350.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2010.12.25 08:11:00 -
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EVE is, in my opinion, better now that it was nearly 6 years ago when I first had a look at it. If you are deluded enough to think that CCP ever put profit AFTER anything else, then you should see a psychiatrist.
Expansions are meaningful and fun, just not to everyone. Ice mining, well, what can you say.... And as for PLEX prices, well they are set by players and not by CCP. So I suggest you take it up with the people selling them :D
That pretty much covers your post, pointless as it was, except maybe to say that THESE are the good old days, you're living them.
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Jamie Banks
Wasted and Still Mining
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Posted - 2010.12.25 08:17:00 -
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BecauseofNanophag
BecauseofECMphag
BecauseofFalconAlt
BecauseofBlobs
BecauseofLag
BecauseofAFKCloaker
BecauseofDrake
Becauseof...
PLEASE:
Bring back 'Wob, wob, wob' warp scramble noise!
Bring back Cyno effects!
Bring back nosferatu's that actually worked! _______________________________
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Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.25 08:28:00 -
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Quote: Expansions are meaningful and fun, just not to everyone. Ice mining, well, what can you say.... And as for PLEX prices, well they are set by players and not by CCP. So I suggest you take it up with the people selling them :D
Actually, the price didn't rise until they removed the 30 and 90 day cards.
After they removed those, the price spiked from 150-200m for 30 days and 350-400m for 90 days..
To 350m for 30 days.
This is because the 60 day GTC costs as much as the old 90 day, IE, CCP raised the price of GTC. |
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Jean CurPictat
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jamie Banks Bring back nosferatu's that actually worked!
...And Proper Spelling! Oh wait...
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:17:00 -
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And how long ago was that?? Quite some time I think. Also that doesn't account for the steep rise in prices right around the times of the "plex for.." appeals run by CCP, at which point plex prices yet again began to rise as the sellers got greedy and increased their asking price.
Face it, the main reason plex prices get higher is the greed of the sellers As soon as they see increased demand, for whatever reason, BOOM, up go the prices, and then when there is less demand the prices go down again, as they are right now.
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Zora'e
Amarr Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when macro users were few. Tell me about the good old days when PLEX prices were low. Tell me about the good old days when an Ice Miner could make a good living in EVE. Tell me about the good old days when EVE expansions were meaningful and fun. Tell me about the good old days when CCP put game content before profit. Tell me about the good old days.
Well, back in the good old days, ships were made of wood, used cloth sails, and traversed these large bodies of water called oceans. They didn't have escape pods though so when they got Concorded by Nature all hands were usually lost, including the Captain.
Man wouldn't that be awesome in EVE.. when you get blown up, you really do die. And have to start all over. Man the tears would be epic! -
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FACLON ALT
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jamie Banks
Bring back 'Wob, wob, wob' warp scramble noise!
FGJ
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:35:00 -
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Dual MWD punishers....
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when macro users were few.
You mean when server peaked at 12k online?
Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when PLEX prices were low.
You mean, when lvl4s did pay less and where harder too?
Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when an Ice Miner could make a good living in EVE.
You mean, when POS-spam caused the POS-fuel prices to be high?
Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when EVE expansions were meaningful and fun.
You mean, when the server did choke for weeks on end after a patch had been deployed and the FOTM run around and PWN'ed everything?
Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when CCP put game content before profit.
We're still in the real world here, right? The world where businesses are run to make a buck from it's customers, right?
Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days.
The funny part about those horrible times WE ACTUALLY LIFE IN is, that the people in the future will be calling them the good old times. Hypocrite. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
Traxman
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Dual MWD punishers....
Ah.. the dual mwd ravens.. who can forget thoose ;)
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Traxman
Originally by: Chribba Dual MWD punishers....
Ah.. the dual mwd ravens.. who can forget thoose ;)
I'm much more partial to octuple-heatsink Armageddons face-melty goodness That, or Cruise Missile Kestrels of DoomÖ. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Themanfromdalmontee
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:57:00 -
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I remember the days when there less americans ranting and spamming the forums for no reason.
I remember the days when ccp tried to do good things and americans didn't call the recipitants of that help terroists and spouted other ill informed rubbish.
I remember the days that all the americans that played were intellegent will informed people that I had great times with....
Now we are getting the trailer trash and brainwashed religious morons...
Can the decent americans please post more again!
(BTW, the only good old days were went space felt epic and you didn't see anyone in low sec.....but then there was none of the various exciting things we can do now. Oh and DJ Doby on EVE radio!)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2010.12.25 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/12/2010 10:04:33
Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee anti-american stuff
You... terrorist.
Dont make me post the wikileaks American heroism video where they kill civilians like they are nothing. Be afraid, be very afraid.
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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.25 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Traxman
Originally by: Chribba Dual MWD punishers....
Ah.. the dual mwd ravens.. who can forget thoose ;)
Cavalry Raven
<3 Ravens, if only I knew EVE existed back then.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.25 10:48:00 -
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and oh... engine trails
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.12.25 11:01:00 -
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*attempts to be one of those decent American posters...
In my opinion, there was a time where Eve was fun to play and not a choir that borderlines on work. There were consequences of being a part of this cold, harsh world starting from your initial choices at player creation. Were you going to be "gimped" into a highly intelligent pilot that had trouble flying ships or a space ace that was too dumb to understand lifting the toilet seat is a good move (no neural remaps). Making enough ISK through meager means to obtain an used destroyer, or if fortunate - a battered cruiser, was a milestone where flying a battleship was the epitome of a career (compared to "You fly a tech one <anything> - lol noob!").
Pilots were not prone to require a ten man squad, much less a hot drop, when a newbie wandered into low sec space in a starter ship. Personally I had good fortunes to watch and get guided through that part of the game by people willing to teach instead of collecting my corpse and kill mail as a trophy.
Agents occasionally required a drug supply instead of today's means of a mission popping out drugs and drug agents spawn the gates ready to catch you instantly. You were able to smuggle drugs here and there - making it seem more a darker underside to the game existed.
There used to be good stories on the splash screen about Band of Brothers (of old) versus the universe in some fashion. Yet today, if there are reports, they seem to revolve around "Blob one lost a titan to blob two. Meanwhile, blob one spit out another half dozen titans to compensate!" *yawn*
While players were competitive then, today's group seem to be obsessed with having to win (or twist a win to their favor) with any means possible. Add how min / maxers _have_ to have this, this, and that before being competitive while CCP seems to be changing to cater to this group; add how running bots to perform nearly any (if not all) tasks in the game; add how people feel immune behind the veil of internet animosity = a shallow game with potentially shallower people playing hardcore.
Just my opinion, of course.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.12.25 11:18:00 -
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Ahh... the good old days when ENTERING WARP WOULD MAKE YOUR EARS BLEED.
The good old days when the only way to beat a nano boat was another nano boat.
The good old days when stealth bombers used cruise missiles and couldn't warp while cloaked.
The good old days when sovereignty was all about POS spam, and most of the life of SOV warfare was blowing up POSes, setting up POSes, or fuelling POSes.
The good old days when the price of tritanium was capped by the NPC sell orders for shuttles.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2010.12.25 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee [orange]Can the decent americans please post more again![/size=5]
Why would we want to, this place if full of trash, of the euro and trailer variety. ------------Cut-Along-The-Dotted-Line-------------
Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
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Agent Argosy
Amarr 133rd Ghost Wing
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Posted - 2010.12.25 12:11:00 -
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ah, the good old days... fighting in a system in Impass in my Eagle. because i couldn't fly anything bigger. and just raping support ships from a distance. 170 vs 220 and lagging like ****. 0.5 fps, but about 270 kills in an hour. -------------------- I'm not interested in preserving the status quo. (I want to overthrow it) |
Xylengra
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Posted - 2010.12.25 12:16:00 -
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In the good old days, we had to walk five mile in the snow, UPHILL both ways, to play Eve.
Seriously, wishing to live in the "good old days" is direct evidence of an inability to adapt to change.
If there are elements of the game that have changed (and that you do not like), there are avenues to propose and effect change back to a way you liked it.
The same cannot be said for a dislike of the game as a whole. You either like it and keep playing, or your don't. Expecting the world to change to your ideal is, on the face of it, self-centered and, probably, pie-in-the sky. I won't meme you with a hearty 'adapt or die', but the sentiment behind that meme may certainly apply.
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knickersoffalot
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Posted - 2010.12.25 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when PLEX prices were low.
They did not exist.
FYI
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jinny sue
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Posted - 2010.12.25 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee [orange]Can the decent americans please post more again![/size=5]
Why would we want to, this place if full of trash, of the euro and trailer variety.
and you twinkie eating fat jabbers wonder why 95% of the world hate you with comments like that!
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Jordon Spikes
Gallente Mineral Traders of Eve Korp LLC.
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Posted - 2010.12.25 12:47:00 -
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the good old day we had lazy hamsters, today we got steroid pumped terminator hamsters.
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Trader Gandry
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Posted - 2010.12.25 13:30:00 -
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These topics are like an EVE Midlife crisis.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.12.25 17:58:00 -
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Ahh... the good old days when we didn't have trolls on the forum.
Oh... wai... ...never mind.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.25 18:05:00 -
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nostalgica...
KIERON!
/c
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2010.12.25 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when macro users were few. Tell me about the good old days when PLEX prices were low. Tell me about the good old days when an Ice Miner could make a good living in EVE. Tell me about the good old days when EVE expansions were meaningful and fun. Tell me about the good old days when CCP put game content before profit. Tell me about the good old days.
I think you got something wrong.
In the good old days, there was no PLEX, no ice miners, no expansions, low amount of content, you could AP through 0.0 without being killed. You could kill people in highsec and tank concord.
Anyway, failtroll...post with your main weakling. --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Musashi IV
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Posted - 2010.12.27 14:09:00 -
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The good old days are gone.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:43:00 -
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Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be...
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Oxylan
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Oxylan on 27/12/2010 20:44:18 "Tell me about the good old days"
4 year ago 90 day GTC 290-310mil isk,5-6 year ago dual mwd ships? cruise torpedo frigates ? autopilot freighter accros emtpy 0.0 with zero risk ;)
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:41:00 -
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There are decent americans ? proof or stfu
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Edited by: Themanfromdalmontee on 25/12/2010 09:57:38 I remember the days when there less americans ranting and spamming the forums for no reason.
I remember the days when ccp tried to do good things and americans didn't call the recipitants of that help terroists and spouted other ill informed rubbish.
I remember the days that all the americans that played were intellegent well informed people that I had great times with....
Now we are getting the trailer trash and brainwashed religious morons...
Can the decent americans please post more again!
(BTW, the only good old days were went space felt epic and you didn't see anyone in low sec.....but then there was none of the various exciting things we can do now. Oh and DJ Doby on EVE radio!)
Statistics indicate that your country is less important than ours. Ps, though you failed beyond measure, we would like to extend to you a very appreciative welcome for attempting to learn our language. Yours is dying.
-L Team America, Captain
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lecherito
Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Edited by: Themanfromdalmontee on 25/12/2010 09:57:38 I remember the days when there less americans ranting and spamming the forums for no reason.
I remember the days when ccp tried to do good things and americans didn't call the recipitants of that help terroists and spouted other ill informed rubbish.
I remember the days that all the americans that played were intellegent well informed people that I had great times with....
Now we are getting the trailer trash and brainwashed religious morons...
Can the decent americans please post more again!
(BTW, the only good old days were went space felt epic and you didn't see anyone in low sec.....but then there was none of the various exciting things we can do now. Oh and DJ Doby on EVE radio!)
Statistics indicate that your country is less important than ours. Ps, though you failed beyond measure, we would like to extend to you a very appreciative welcome for attempting to learn our language. Yours is dying.
-L Team America, Captain
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Major Sackrash
Odium Certa
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Posted - 2010.12.27 22:06:00 -
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You would be in your sniping tempest, You would have a cup of tea in one hand and in the other your mouse, you would instalock anything that jumped in and do godknowshowmuchalphadamage to it, it would blow up and you would virtually high-five your buddy that would be next to you in his tempest, you would both laugh without fear of being blobbed at any second. Those, where the good old days.
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hedfunk
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.27 22:47:00 -
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Privateers annoying the rest of eve. Bring back the old wardec system!
Please refrain from political commentary in your signature. Navigator
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Ephemeron
Solitairian Society
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Posted - 2010.12.27 22:53:00 -
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basically what it comes down to - if you like hardcore PvP, the old days were better. If you like soft PvP and carebearing - the new EVE is the best.
Since majority of players are soft or carebearish, they wouldn't understand why old days were better.
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Chill Dude
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Posted - 2010.12.27 23:13:00 -
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I remember those days... Loved buying Vigilants for 70m a pop! Oh... wait, nvm....
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.27 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Guttripper *attempts to be one of those decent American posters...
In my opinion, there was a time where Eve was fun to play and not a choir that borderlines on work.
While players were competitive then, today's group seem to be obsessed with having to win (or twist a win to their favor) with any means possible. Add how min / maxers _have_ to have this, this, and that before being competitive while CCP seems to be changing to cater to this group; add how running bots to perform nearly any (if not all) tasks in the game; add how people feel immune behind the veil of internet animosity = a shallow game with potentially shallower people playing hardcore.
Just my opinion, of course.
I agree on that with you.
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Ephemeron
Solitairian Society
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Posted - 2010.12.27 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Guttripper *attempts to be one of those decent American posters...
In my opinion, there was a time where Eve was fun to play and not a choir that borderlines on work.
While players were competitive then, today's group seem to be obsessed with having to win (or twist a win to their favor) with any means possible. Add how min / maxers _have_ to have this, this, and that before being competitive while CCP seems to be changing to cater to this group; add how running bots to perform nearly any (if not all) tasks in the game; add how people feel immune behind the veil of internet animosity = a shallow game with potentially shallower people playing hardcore.
Just my opinion, of course.
What you describe is simply human nature and has nothing to do with the game itself. The playerbase did change over the years - it got bigger, it got dumber - as CCP lowered the bar and made things "easier".
If you look at any major game, you'd notice how quickly community maturity level degrades as the game becomes more popular. Just look at Blizzard forums.
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Chill Dude
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Posted - 2010.12.27 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Chill Dude on 27/12/2010 23:28:26
Just silouetting RL humanity. Just a smaller version of our Earth is all.
Look around, You can see it in RL. Because of the size of the community such as Eve you just ses a faster version of our evolution.
Unfortunately it's just a natural cylce. =) WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!
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NCDOTSUCK
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Posted - 2010.12.28 03:46:00 -
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BRING BACK RECOIL!
the game is empty without it.
also:
old cyno
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Electra Mercy
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:00:00 -
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Gankageddon(a brilliant flash of light, and you were gone), Bumpageddon (space bowling), Battleship mining (cause it was the best), Missions at gates, m0o (the terror of the empty universe) and the Tactical Display (the blue onion)
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Gay'Lord
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:27:00 -
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cruise missile fitted kestrals
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Callha Ri
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Posted - 2010.12.28 04:29:00 -
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C'mon, nobody ever did exploration in the good old days? When it *was* actually a real challenge to get them sigs? When you pulled allnighters just scanning down sites? I am quite disapointed... it's like if that part of eve had been lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to DIE!!! ***** -- 'Canari' |
Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2010.12.28 05:07:00 -
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Best days of EvE were definitely the first few years.
Getting a battleship was difficult. Had to mine the minerals, transport them to a station for a friendly person to build it. Took a few weeks to get into.
Taking it into low sec and fighting in it, winning a couple of fights without 50 people showing up to 'defend' the target, and then travelling out to 0.0 (great wildlands). No bubbles, hotdrops or massive gangs.
Getting chased around Egbinger by a couple of Black Omega Security before slipping into BVIP and the freedom and vastness of 0.0 space. There were very few people, more like space is supposed to be rather then the suburban feel of 0.0 today.
Killng a hauler carrying zydrine and mega and stuffing as much as I could into my hold. I was rich but no jump bridges, no cyno's, stuck behind enemy lines and having to try to get it all back to empire through actual travel.
Finally losing it and my battleship to another battleship pilot a few days later. I was traveling along a pipe and the other guy was too, didn't aggress me for 5 jumps but all of a sudden I guess I just looked too tempting or he thought I was following him.
Today nothing like that is really possible. You don't find haulers carrying expensive stuff 50 jumps through 0.0. Every second gate has a bloody bubble, almost every system has someone in it reporting exactly where you are and the excitement is just not there anymore imo.
Played both WoW and EvE and I feel the PvP in both games is now very similiar as well as many of the 'helpful' mechanics that have been added, resembling each other way too much (heals / RR, mana transfer / cap transfer, ports / jump bridges, cyno's) and losing a ship takes about as long to recover from as it does to recover from equipment damage in WoW. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up. |
Mina Hiragi
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.12.28 05:17:00 -
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In the great old days, if you dual-MWD'd out to the EVE gate, a pink-haired Oveur would give you kladdkaka and pour you a beer from his sodastream. True story. |
Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.28 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Guttripper
While players were competitive then, today's group seem to be obsessed with having to win (or twist a win to their favor) with any means possible. Add how min / maxers _have_ to have this, this, and that before being competitive while CCP seems to be changing to cater to this group; add how running bots to perform nearly any (if not all) tasks in the game; add how people feel immune behind the veil of internet animosity = a shallow game with potentially shallower people playing hardcore.
Just my opinion, of course.
I really don't think that winning battles by any means is actually a new idea. There were A LOT of bugs/questionable tactics in the early stages of the game that people happily took advantage of to slaughter people.
Ejecting cans/drones to lag people out,The stabbabonds, stabbageddons, the ECM Multi-spec in everybody's mids, the old NOS in everybody's highs, 14km/s crows just to name a few.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Yob tvay'matar
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Posted - 2010.12.28 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Electra Mercy
Most impressive show of skill by the devs, IMHO, changing out the graphics engine in the client. (Trinity)
Impressive? idk about that, most old ship models actually looked better, Gallente ship models were beautiful. Now they are fugly. If I had a choice I'd run old graphics engine.
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Rat Mcgee
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Posted - 2010.12.29 20:50:00 -
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Do you mean the old days befor money?
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.29 20:57:00 -
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In the begining, there was darkness. So Chirriba said "LET THERE BE VELDSPAR.", and so it came to pass and he said it was good...
...the rest is EVE history.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2010.12.29 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 29/12/2010 21:14:13 NOS how I miss thee on my minmatar ships...
Also, try hitting "first" on the general discussion page list and read some really old posts. You will laugh at how similar things were back then compared to today.
And hey those long ass downtimes were NEVER any fun.
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2010.12.29 21:27:00 -
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There used to be skills you could train to increase your attributes and thus lessen your training times.....
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Phu Bar
Federation of Xenotech Angry Dogs
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Posted - 2010.12.29 21:36:00 -
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Prior Warp to zero (and making all those bookmarks - lag maker). Castor and subsequent fallout. When 6k would kill the hamsters. You could travel through massive amounts of 0.0 without seeing another pilot. Kieron.
Seriously - some nostalgia there, but change is good (for the most part).
~phu
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.29 21:44:00 -
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EVE is now a better game but a lesser sandbox.
Also, if CCP really put money ahead of the game, you'd know it. -
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.29 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: K'uata Sayus There used to be skills you could train to increase your attributes and thus lessen your training times.....
I see what you did there.
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Musashi IV
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:33:00 -
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A wish for the good old days.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 22/01/2011 12:47:54 http://www.eveger.de/forum/archive/index.php/t-647.html http://www.eveger.de/forum/archive/index.php/t-565.html
Oh the fun back then
And EvE is a much better place today. --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Anashka caldari
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:47:00 -
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EVE online is getting better year by year, also if you think CCP puts money before the game go play Koren MMO's like aion.
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Scorpyn
Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 22/01/2011 13:05:44
Originally by: Rex Garvin Tell me about the good old days when macro users were few. Tell me about the good old days when PLEX prices were low. Tell me about the good old days when an Ice Miner could make a good living in EVE. Tell me about the good old days when EVE expansions were meaningful and fun. Tell me about the good old days when CCP put game content before profit. Tell me about the good old days.
In the good old days there was no PLEX and you weren't allowed to sell GTC for isk. There was also only npc sovereignity. This was very good.
However, there was no ice, so you couldn't get rich by mining it. You couldn't mine a moon, you couldn't put up a POS or create a station. There were no Titans, no motherships, no battlecruisers, no destroyers and no interceptors. The best miner was a tech 2 miner, and it cost a fortune. Missiles cost about the same as the npc bounty, and if you weren't careful you'd hit your friend - directly or with the splash damage.
In the good old days you weren't cloaked on jump-in, so if the other side was camped you were usually dead before you loaded. There was no 15 minute aggression, making logoff tactics way too common. There was also no EVE Voice.
In the good old days, implants were only capable of increasing attributes. Also, no jump clones.
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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
...The best miner was a tech 2 miner, and it cost a fortune. ... .
and before even tech 2, the best miner in the game was cu-vaps if you could afford them at the time.
battleships were fairly rare so not uncommon to be using thoraxes with a zillion mining drones and dd or xecl miners trying to strip belts into jet cans that were almost infinite sized...
oh the good'ole days...
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Creh Ester
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Posted - 2011.01.22 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Creh Ester on 22/01/2011 15:44:48 No, I don't think EVE has necessarily got all better, as some suggests. Not at all. I think one of the things that attracted me to EVE, in the beginning, was all the thoughts about what it could be, one day. Of course, it didn't. I had a lot more fun in my early days. To some extent that was probably due to the experience being new. But the early life as an impoverished, powerless noob with few skills and very slow skilling was actually interesting and enjoyable. And there was a lot of genuine other noobs around. There was a degree of fairness and an experience of exploring EVE together. These days, most players are veterans, and a noob is usually just another alt. And frankly, I don't blame new players for rejecting EVE in most cases. I would too, today I think. In those days, it was common to live and work in lowsec. We did it twice, for long periods. But today, some CCP designers vitriolic hatred for ôcarebearsö (who apparently ruin their precious, ôharshö, ôcoldö PvP game in some mysterious way - probably by not always presenting themselves as easy victims, and their hard-earned fruits of their labor as easy spoils) have grown to such proportions and driven them to unbalance things so ridiculously in favor of the gank-team, as to make business and work in lowsec impossible for most. This probably infuriates those CCP designers even more, and make them tilt things even more in favor of the gank-teams. Today, I believe we're seeing increasing steps to make highsec the new PvP ground.
Gameplay mechanics, which in practice require you to play minimum 6h/7d, and preferably 20/7, is nothing for me. And I would say it should be for no one. Another problem is that I'm not a mean person. I take no joy or pleasure in hurting others. I've shot and killed, but I've never really felt particularly good about it afterwards, and I've always let them pick up their cans. What really interested me about EVE was the RP-game of scraping an existence in a dangerous place. What annoys me about EVE is that this isn't really possible any more. You can live very affluently, in a mostly exceedingly safe place, 0.0, if you can put up with moronic alliance leaders - ...and if you can put up with the notion that a single, snotfaced, disgruntled jerk, for whatever reason, can suddenly ruin it all, thousands of players work for years, simply by just disbanding the alliance. Or you can scratch an existence, in an almost safe place û at least for now - by putting in huge amounts of drudging work-hours in hisec.
My own solutions to all this, has been to jump off the threadmill. I don't care that I don't have isk. I don't care that I fly t1. On the contrary, I've made it the point. So I entertain myself by challenging L4 in ridiculously underpowered ships. I've found gameplay that interests me enough, now and then. |
Creh Ester
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Posted - 2011.01.22 15:41:00 -
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Finally, if I had been in CCP, - rather than triumphantly declaring and praising the acts of scammers, thiefs and saboteurs, despite that those things are so totally easy and take no efforts or risks at all, the game bending over backwards for them û I would have at least some concern for what this game so much fosters and lauds: - When you put small people, persons of low IQ, low education, low income, and cowards, in a place where they can, without any effort, without any risks, join societies to grief and hurt others, while gloating, hating, giggling, enjoying and feeling themselves important and awesome for what they do, despite that the game mechanics guarantee their success and guarantee that there will be no repercussions, - then you create exactly the same kind of environment as the US Army created for their guards in Abu Ghraib in Iraq, and the ****s created for their guards in their concentration camps. A society of acts of abuse, sadistic glee, hateful language, twisted minds. - Evil. It's actually quite amazing what small people will do, when they believe they will face no consequences for their acts. (I'm going to recommend EVE for studies in behavioral research). While I perfectly understand that you can't have a true retaliatory mechanism in a game, since it will immediately be used for griefing, - the game must protect players, I do understand that û I do think that CCP has made a whole series of huge mistakes by so grotesquely overpowering the gang. We could have had a much better game. Perhaps by leading CCP designers being less caught up in what they ô...want players to...ö and more sensitive to what players want. And more understanding of that a good PvP game must have a whole eco-system, from low to bottom. There can be no life in a system where three ants are always guaranteed a kill on an elephant. It's ironically that with a bit of less ôpirates rulezö, there would have been a lot more true pirate gameplay in this game, with more gaming interest for everyone.
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.01.22 15:44:00 -
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Every mmo i play there is always a thread like this.
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