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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.12.25 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 25/12/2010 23:25:32 I got a nice dual monitor set up for xmas... now I can indulge in LOL Falcon/Guardian PVP like all my cool friends.
However... there is a small issue that I did not anticipate
Evidently my NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT is not powerful enough to power 2 EVE's on 2 Screens without causing lag. Not only will this be counter productive when I am PVPing... it will also lead to a Video card burn out and a great deal of my own tears.
Eve is like your own personal Geek Squad so I couldn't think of a better place to ask questions about Video cards VS Dual monitor game play then here on the EVE Online forums
My Question Is This:
I want a video card that can run both screens in good quality, however I don't need a Video card that can power the spaceshuttle because EVE is all I ever play. Suggestions will be very much appreciated.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2010.12.25 23:29:00 -
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ATI Radeon 5850. Reason powerful enough for just about any game out there and prices plummeting because of the new cards being released. Also you then have the future option of buying another and putting it on crossfire when they become as cheap as can be which won't be that far ahead give it another 6 months and you will probably get one for under a ú100 or close to.
Also ATI cards seem to be the bomb at the moment when running more than one screen. :o)
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2010.12.25 23:30:00 -
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I use 2 x GTX 460's on 4 monitors at 1920x1200. |
Kattshiro
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.25 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kattshiro on 25/12/2010 23:37:36 Things to look for in no particular order of importance.
price need how long it will last before next upgrade power (GPU, ram, etc etc) Fit
One you need to tell your current hardware setup.
I got a 5850 with extra cooling a few months ago for around 200 due to a rebate. I havent had a single problem. I'm not fanboy of either ATI or Nvidia i'll buy whats best or the best value, but current top of the line Nvidia cards run super hot, and while they process tessellation better they give way to other effects. Anit a whole lot of games using dx11 yet so.... You decide for yourself how important that is to you.
But really you need to figure out your needs, fit, and budget first.
However I will say most hardware guides for right now will backup the 5850 as the best bang for buck.
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2010.12.25 23:42:00 -
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Make sure your power supply can handle it.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.12.26 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/12/2010 00:11:09 Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/12/2010 00:08:31
Originally by: Rumple Fourskin Make sure your power supply can handle it.
It's a HP Pavilion a6700y... ATM I am trying to find power supply info.
Thx for your posts BTW
EDIT:
300 Watts
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Kattshiro
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.26 00:16:00 -
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300 anit gonna cut it, based upon what CPU and ram (how many HDD's you have, and if a RAID config) I doubt you're using DDr3 (Has lower power consumption).
You're going to want a min of 500w for newer cards to be on the safe side.
You need to post the rest of your specs.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.12.26 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/12/2010 00:20:04 Linkage
There ya go.
FYI the card I have almost does what I need it to do. So in order to get this working I may not need that big of an upgrade from what I am already running. I think anyway...
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Kattshiro
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.26 00:36:00 -
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Well as far as new cards go you're SOL unless your upgrade your PSU. Both the 460 or 5700's need 450w-500w. You might look into over stocked or used older cards online. Which are just a few steps above your current (even 260's or above require more power) But seems kinda silly because you might need to upgrade to current models sooner anyway.
But if you're not all that concerned or dont need more (visual power) might be worth checking out. If not check out manufac sites, and look for dual dvi support, but be aware that some lesser cards are vga dvi dual not dual dvi. (There are converters....but come on)
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.12.26 00:44:00 -
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Oh well..
Thx for info anyways. I figure out something
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Rahnim
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Posted - 2010.12.26 01:32:00 -
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don't know if it helps, but I was able to run 3 clients no problem with a gtx 260,
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.12.26 02:03:00 -
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Quick google says that's a 500 watt card as well, sadly.
Prime example of getting what you pay for here
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla
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Posted - 2010.12.26 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Quick google says that's a 500 watt card as well, sadly.
Prime example of getting what you pay for here
my gts 450 runs eve flawlessly and im sure it would support two monitors. _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.12.26 04:50:00 -
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Make sure that your clients "Display Adapter" setting corresponds with the display it is running on. CCRES is recruiting pilots who want to live in WSpace/Wormholes. Fill out an application here! |
FACLON ALT
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Posted - 2010.12.26 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: FACLON ALT on 26/12/2010 09:34:33 GTX460. Much more performance than you'll need, great value for money.
Edit: You'll need to upgrade your PSU to at least a 450w unit. Edit2: Does your PC run two or three accounts with one screen without lagging? Are you sure the problem is with the graphics adapter and not CPU\ram? Have you tried running two accounts, dual screen on minimum settings\reduced resolution? (not as a permanent solution, just to verify that the problem is indeed with the GFX card and not with the rest of your system).
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Armored Phoenix
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.26 09:48:00 -
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I can run 2 clients on 2 monitors with my Nvidia GeForce 9400 GT without any problems. I doubt your issue is the graphics card. I am also running 3GB of DDR3 RAM, and an Intel i7 2.66Ghz quad-core CPU.
You may want to consider other possible causes for your lag before replacing your graphics card.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2010.12.26 09:51:00 -
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Get a 450GTS. More than you need. --------------------------------------
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.12.26 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Amberlamps on 26/12/2010 10:13:48
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 25/12/2010 23:25:32 Not only will this be counter productive when I am PVPing... it will also lead to a Video card burn out and a great deal of my own tears.
How did you work that one out? The GFX card won't burn out just because it's unable to do it without lagging. The graphics card will burn out faster if you literally cause it to burn out due to excessive heat, which no doubt won't be the case with you. Spend $200 on a good card and you'll be sorted for a year or two and Eve future proof probably.
My ATI 6850 is super smooth dual accounting on max graphics on both, though with only a 300w PSU I'll be surprised if many new cards will actually work for you.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.12.26 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: EdwardNardella Make sure that your clients "Display Adapter" setting corresponds with the display it is running on.
can you elaborate on this a bit further?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.12.26 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/12/2010 17:05:55
I unticked "Shadows" and it looks like it may have actually fixed the lag issue.
Also it seems that running the client in a window instead of double clicking the top bar in order to have it fully fill (and stick to the edges) of both monitors makes the lag non existent \0/
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage
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Posted - 2010.12.26 17:19:00 -
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There are two sides to the power supply question - over 12 years of professional experience assembling systems, PSU needs are always overstated. I've been using a good 350 watt PSU in my last 2 systems, and it's never had any issues with the gfx, cpu, or multiple HD's I've thrown at it. Wattage labels can be very misleading, there are a lot of other factors like watts/rail, and wattage at a specific voltage. This is where a quality PSU will outperform a cheaper one.
That said - stock PSU's in off the shelf systems tend to be just enough to power the original system. You may be able to get away with using a mid-range card - which sounds more like the budget level you're looking for anyways - but the only way to know for sure would be to either total up the power usage of all devices as mentioned above (and perhaps also getting more detailed specs on the PSU like wattage at 5 and 12 volts); or try the new card, and just be prepared to replace the PSU if the draw is too much. In my experience, it's rare for too much power draw to hurt anything in the system besides the power supply itself, far more aggravating is a slightly overtaxed PSU, which can cause odd/random stability issues.
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So Cash
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Posted - 2010.12.26 18:33:00 -
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I would advise you to play lower graphics until you get a new card for now. If it is "solved" by something as simple by turning of shadows to free up the GFX card imagine what it's going to be like when there is a **** storm of ships and missiles on both... it's going to lag like crap again.
Just bite the bullet, lower the graphics and sort out a new card.
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FACLON ALT
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Posted - 2010.12.26 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Armored Phoenix I can run 2 clients on 2 monitors with my Nvidia GeForce 9400 GT without any problems. I doubt your issue is the graphics card.
Quote: You may want to consider other possible causes for your lag before replacing your graphics card.
Quoting for relevance and in case the OP missed it.
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Kattshiro
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.26 18:47:00 -
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Borking power is not a good thing. Causing to much draw can fry either the unit its self or other things. I've seen CPU fans or MB's fritz because of poor power management. Now it is true things will not draw the minimum power requirements full time, however. With newer cards they wont even boot past POST/BIOS if power needs are not met.
A decent modular PSU wont cost too much 70-100 (modular PSU's are worth every extra penny). But it sounds like you might need to evaluate whether or not you're at the point of a "full upgrade" You might at this point might want to hold off save up for a newer system.
In which case a new lower to mid gaming PC will run between 700-800 out of the box, and lower than that if you build it yourself depending upon what OS you want to stick on there or already own.
If not thats not an option and you really just want a new card. I say run a search on newegg for dual DVI support, and skim the lower price cards seeing if they can make your current PSU requirements.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2010.12.26 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: TZeer on 26/12/2010 18:48:16
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/12/2010 17:05:55
I unticked "Shadows" and it looks like it may have actually fixed the lag issue.
Also it seems that running the client in a window instead of double clicking the top bar in order to have it fully fill (and stick to the edges) of both monitors makes the lag non existent \0/
-If you are running XP it`s important that your eve windows never overlap with the other monitor. This will cause lag.
-When looking at graphic options you have display adapter or whatever. Make sure they are matching with the screen you have the client on.
You have 2 options: AMD GPU Display 1 and AMD GPU Display 2
Be sure to select Display adpater 1 for primary/main screen and Display 2 for secondary screen.
Also have v-sync turned on. It`s called interval something, you`ll find it at the bottom on the graphic options.
Also, play around with the shadows and ****, some of it has almost no visual gain, but eats up alot of resources.
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Th155
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Posted - 2010.12.26 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian My Question Is This:
I want a video card that can run both screens in good quality, however I don't need a Video card that can power the spaceshuttle because EVE is all I ever play. Suggestions will be very much appreciated.
/random off topicness
Your computer is 5-10x as powerfull as the spaceshuttle, it doesn't have to do much work, does it? The first working shuttle worked perfectly fine and a faster computer wouldn't help it, so after that they kept it at the old slow computer stage. So, that point is wrong, but still gives a point.
/on topic
I'm fine with my nVidia 240 GT that i got for christmas last year for both screens, just i have to run eve on low for both otherwise i have ghosting/un-vsync (or whatever) on the second one. I'm not sure if the 240 is better or worse than the 9400, but anything above the 240 would be fine.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2010.12.26 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Th155
/random off topicness
Your computer is 5-10x as powerfull as the spaceshuttle, it doesn't have to do much work, does it? The first working shuttle worked perfectly fine and a faster computer wouldn't help it, so after that they kept it at the old slow computer stage. So, that point is wrong, but still gives a point
And here... In it's native environment...
You can see the forum warrior at work, feeling the need to correct a metaphor that, evidently, was making a good point. By flexing his gray matter, at least in his own mind, he appears superer in the company of his peers.
Edit:
By turning off the shadows and making sure the EVE client is not "expanded" (by double clicking on the top bar in window mode) lag is now none existent. Thanks for all of your suggestions.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.27 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: Th155
/random off topicness
Your computer is 5-10x as powerfull as the spaceshuttle, it doesn't have to do much work, does it? The first working shuttle worked perfectly fine and a faster computer wouldn't help it, so after that they kept it at the old slow computer stage. So, that point is wrong, but still gives a point
And here... In it's native environment...
You can see the forum warrior at work, feeling the need to correct a metaphor that, evidently, was making a good point. By flexing his gray matter, at least in his own mind, he appears superer in the company of his peers.
Don't lump him in with us. The term you're looking for is idiot. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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