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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.01.02 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Leopold Caine I'm sure Miss Imoru followed through with her savage agenda. Those children were, after all, traitors to their own people, and are tainted with amarrian indoctrination... or are we supposed to expect a drop of empathy and remorse from such a person?
This looks likely. Another one for the annals of those who make their own causes difficult to support, it seems.
What I find odd is that it's not even Ms. Imoru's own people that she's seeing fit to judge. Even if she had been a slave herself, I'd expect her to leave the judging of treason by Matari, against Matari, to Matari.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Imoru on 02/01/2011 12:02:34 ((edited because of typo))
The director had been executed for treason, some of the employees recieved a custodial sentence, several of them being life sentences. The rest of the employees have been reassigned to other orphanages under strict supervision. The children are in counselling right now and will then be reassigned to other orphanages as well, where they can finally grow up without being the victims of Amarrian brainwashing. The orphanage itself is being searched for further evidence that could help us find other endangered children. If it will be reopened again in the future is still being discussed.
Miss Jenneth, if you would have checked my public record you would know that I'm a citizen of the Republic. I maybe an Achur, but I'm also a Matari.
Mister Caine, once again an Amarr shows how little he understands the Republic. We aren't barbaric, you are. Only an Amarr would commit a massacre on innocent people, like Falek Grange, who had have 1000 slaves killed because one of them didn't kneel in front of the so called "Holy Seal". Those children are once again save and sound after they have been moved away from Amarrian influence.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:06:00 -
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Another glorious victory for the Imperial Hardliners, then. Thank you so very, very, much.
Congratualtions, fool. What horrifies me the most, is that you don't even realize what you have done or the liberties you have apparently assumed even with your own nation, to make this possible.
Today just keeps getting worse, and I can't shake this feeling...
...nevermind, it's not appropriate for the public.
_________________________ Reformist, loyal to the Amarrian Empire. |
Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn Farel on 02/01/2011 12:22:54
Originally by: Sakura Imoru Only an Amarr would commit a massacre on innocent people, like Falek Grange, who had have 1000 slaves killed because one of them didn't kneel in front of the so called "Holy Seal". Those children are once again save and sound after they have been moved away from Amarrian influence.
Still extrapolating generalities and theories by isolated facts and examples ? Do you intend to do the same with these orphanages ?
I am quite glad science does not reason like you. |
Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Another glorious victory for the Imperial Hardliners, then. Thank you so very, very, much.
Congratualtions, fool. What horrifies me the most, is that you don't even realize what you have done or the liberties you have apparently assumed even with your own nation, to make this possible.
Today just keeps getting worse, and I can't shake this feeling...
...nevermind, it's not appropriate for the public.
If you have to make a maybe unpopular decission in order to ensure the safety of millions of children, wouldn't you do it?
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel Edited by: Lyn Farel on 02/01/2011 12:22:54
Originally by: Sakura Imoru Only an Amarr would commit a massacre on innocent people, like Falek Grange, who had have 1000 slaves killed because one of them didn't kneel in front of the so called "Holy Seal". Those children are once again save and sound after they have been moved away from Amarrian influence.
Still extrapolating generalities and theories by isolated facts and examples ? Do you intend to do the same with these orphanages ?
I am quite glad science does not reason like you.
How about this one? After the Battle of Vak'Atioth, those who retreated, their families AND the families of those who stayed and got themselves killed were enslaved, because the reason why they failed to defeat the Jovians must have been lack of faith, since the Amarrians are the Chosen Ones, they can not be defeated by "heathens".
Or maybe I should mention the fate of the Starkmanir tribe which became almost extinct because the Amarr are sooo civilised.
Amarrian history is dominated by atrocities done in the name of your "God", and it doesn't seem likely that this is going to change.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jesmine Kyriel on 02/01/2011 12:45:58
Originally by: Sakura Imoru
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Another glorious victory for the Imperial Hardliners, then. Thank you so very, very, much.
Congratualtions, fool. What horrifies me the most, is that you don't even realize what you have done or the liberties you have apparently assumed even with your own nation, to make this possible.
Today just keeps getting worse, and I can't shake this feeling...
...nevermind, it's not appropriate for the public.
If you have to make a maybe unpopular decission in order to ensure the safety of millions of children, wouldn't you do it?
"Safety." Safety... Safety. Pretty word, who defines it's meaning? In what way are these children now 'safe', and from what? Education outside your desired and dictated norm? Safe from teachers you don't like? Safe from forceful re-location after arresting their handlers? Safe from seeing thier overseer being shot doing nought but his job, with no trial or hearing or anything? Safe from the trauma of all of this?
You are a tool. Willing and knowing, or unwilling and naively predictable to the point of easily manipulated, I do not know what applies in your case. But you are a tool.
Merdaneth aquires a series of orphanages in the Republic through third-parties and of course, soon after a Republican agent in a clear case of moraly correct... justice... tracks down at least one of these and then go out of her way to murder one of the employees, forcefully re-assigning the rest and have them watched over like slaves and finally, removing the children on the grounds that they were being brainwashed û and you then admit to aiming to 'clear' this so-called brainwashing with what can easily be considered brainwashing in it's own right. The irony...
"Everything those Amarrian agents told you were false, THIS is true knowledge."
For your information, I did make very many unpopular choices for the sake of millions. It did not work out to well and we were invaded and bombed, had our land forcefully annexed and my family exiled. Our crime was deviating to much from the accepted norm, for this we were shot at, branded, and cast out. I made more unpopular choices after that to safeguard those who were left.
Seems the Republic and Empire are more similar than I believed. I am not very glad to see that.
Finally, tell me on what authority you stormed a corporate owned facility, murdered staff and deported the rest, all with no trial or hearing?
Originally by: Sakura Imoru How about this one? After the Battle of Vak'Atioth, those who retreated, their families AND the families of those who stayed and got themselves killed were enslaved, because the reason why they failed to defeat the Jovians must have been lack of faith, since the Amarrians are the Chosen Ones, they can not be defeated by "heathens".
Or maybe I should mention the fate of the Starkmanir tribe which became almost extinct because the Amarr are sooo civilised.
Amarrian history is dominated by atrocities done in the name of your "God", and it doesn't seem likely that this is going to change.
But that's okay, because two wrongs makes a right, don't it?
_________________________ Reformist, loyal to the Amarrian Empire. |
Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Imoru
How about this one? After the Battle of Vak'Atioth, those who retreated, their families AND the families of those who stayed and got themselves killed were enslaved, because the reason why they failed to defeat the Jovians must have been lack of faith, since the Amarrians are the Chosen Ones, they can not be defeated by "heathens".
Or maybe I should mention the fate of the Starkmanir tribe which became almost extinct because the Amarr are sooo civilised.
Amarrian history is dominated by atrocities done in the name of your "God", and it doesn't seem likely that this is going to change.
Ah, indeed, here we come with something more substancial, even if we are not after Vak'Atioth anymore.
Minmatar history is dominated by atrocities done in the name of your "hatred", and it doesn't seem likely that is going to change.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:52:00 -
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"Thou callest me a dog before thou hast cause. But since I am a dog, beware my fangs."
We are what you made us to be. If these atrocities are necessary to break your hold over our people, then so be it.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul "Thou callest me a dog before thou hast cause. But since I am a dog, beware my fangs."
We are what you made us to be. If these atrocities are necessary to break your hold over our people, then so be it.
I have seen plenty of dogs, and none of them bit their own pups after they had met other creatures.
You Minmatar are quite worse. You are humans. Angry, hateful humans.
I'd advice you to change that, for all our sakes.
_________________________ Reformist, loyal to the Amarrian Empire. |
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.02 12:58:00 -
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We have not harmed our children. We have protected them from harm at your hands. And you don't see us as dogs? Then I'm sure you'll be taking violent action against the breeding facilities? Or possibly the slaveholders who chain us as dogs? I lost two limbs by the time I got away from a 'dogowner'. The fire he started in my veins won't burn out until I've made certain none others have to live in that manner.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.02 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul We have not harmed our children. We have protected them from harm at your hands. And you don't see us as dogs? Then I'm sure you'll be taking violent action against the breeding facilities? Or possibly the slaveholders who chain us as dogs? I lost two limbs by the time I got away from a 'dogowner'. The fire he started in my veins won't burn out until I've made certain none others have to live in that manner.
It seems we do think alike, Mizhara.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.02 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn Farel on 02/01/2011 13:17:49
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul We are what you made us to be. If these atrocities are necessary to break your hold over our people, then so be it.
I was frankly expecting this particular answer.
One might think it is quite convenient to use seemingly righteous excuses based on someone else's sins to justify his own sins, don't you agree ?
Post edit on my behalf : breeding facilities ? Unrespectful slaveholders ? If you have anyone in particular in mind, and a location, feel free to forward it to me.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.02 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul We have not harmed our children. We have protected them from harm at your hands. And you don't see us as dogs? Then I'm sure you'll be taking violent action against the breeding facilities? Or possibly the slaveholders who chain us as dogs? I lost two limbs by the time I got away from a 'dogowner'. The fire he started in my veins won't burn out until I've made certain none others have to live in that manner.
You have to make up your mind; do you wish to deny trillions the right to believe what they wish, something your kindred keep asking us to let them do, or will you only hunt down and possibly kill everyone who are effectively a fallen holder?
Because, from your talk, it appears you fled from one and want payback, and from your stated intent, it seems you want all Amarrians dead along with any ex-slave who says 'no' to a trip out of the Empire. You can't have both.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.02 13:26:00 -
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What I will do is fairly irrelevant, I'm sure. I have one path before me and that is to end all slavery of Matari people. If the tools I need to use to achieve this task means becoming a monster worthy of exterminating, then very well. I will pay that price. I have no illusions of 'righteousness'. Of being a 'hero'. I'll do what must be done and that may quite possibly make me even worse than the enemy I fight.
Doesn't change that it must be done. That the third of my people leashed by you vile scum needs to be freed.
It'll be messy and there'll be a lot of suffering... but at least it'll be freedom. The Matari can handle that and survive it. Those that can't... well, they weren't Matari, were they?
Ah, but now local is spiking and I can feel my weapons get warm. I have... dog-owners to educate.
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Thgil Goldcore
Amarr Volition Cult
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Posted - 2011.01.02 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
Because, from your talk, it appears you fled from one and want payback, and from your stated intent, it seems you want all Amarrians dead along with any ex-slave who says 'no' to a trip out of the Empire. You can't have both.
It is the sad truth that is Minmatar extremists. Even if slave holding was considered a sin they believe that an entire people should burn because a very small percentage of upper class Amarrians who own slaves. Frankly they could likely help improve the lives of slaves with cooperation with progressive Amarrians (such as myself) than simple murder. I believe most slave holders care more for their slaves than these so called freedom fighters.
Now if any freedom fighter would like to prove me wrong, please shoot me a mail so we can discuss the issue like civilized persons.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.02 13:38:00 -
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Not all of us wish your race wiped out. The abolition of slavery and punitive reparations may suffice as long as the slave-holding ring-leaders were handed over for trial.
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Lord Maximullis
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.01.02 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak Not all of us wish your race wiped out. The abolition of slavery and punitive reparations may suffice as long as the slave-holding ring-leaders were handed over for trial.
Indeed. My feelings exactly. |
Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.02 14:00:00 -
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Miss Goldcore, we will do nothing to improve the life of slaves. We want them released. Improving their lives would mean supporting what we fight against.
Besides of that I agree with Mr. Maximullis and Mr. Slavak.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.02 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Maximullis
Originally by: Borza Slavak Not all of us wish your race wiped out. The abolition of slavery and punitive reparations may suffice as long as the slave-holding ring-leaders were handed over for trial.
Indeed. My feelings exactly.
Your feelings exactly? Exactly?
Don't lie, terrorist scum. I still remember your exploits and your very public declarations. I've no time now bit if you want a public, retorical work-out I can assure you, I've no intentions of letting your actions and claims slip by quietly in the night.
_________________________ Reformist, loyal to the Amarrian Empire. |
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.02 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak Not all of us wish your race wiped out. The abolition of slavery and punitive reparations may suffice as long as the slave-holding ring-leaders were handed over for trial.
May the amarr people ask for punitive reparations and trial for all the minmatar murderers too ?
Ah no, of course. Because their leaders started it centuries ago. |
Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.02 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Borza Slavak Not all of us wish your race wiped out. The abolition of slavery and punitive reparations may suffice as long as the slave-holding ring-leaders were handed over for trial.
May the amarr people ask for punitive reparations and trial for all the minmatar murderers too ?
Ah no, of course. Because their leaders started it centuries ago.
The Minmatar didn't turn entire planets into wastelands.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.02 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: Borza Slavak Not all of us wish your race wiped out. The abolition of slavery and punitive reparations may suffice as long as the slave-holding ring-leaders were handed over for trial.
May the amarr people ask for punitive reparations and trial for all the minmatar murderers too ?
Ah no, of course. Because their leaders started it centuries ago.
They can ask...
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Leopold Caine
Amarr Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2011.01.02 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Imoru
The Minmatar didn't turn entire planets into wastelands.
*shrug* Not like they didn't try. Don't blame the Amarr for the matari incompetence.
_______________________________________________________________________ .domination sentinel .stillwater
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.01.02 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Imoru Miss Jenneth, if you would have checked my public record you would know that I'm a citizen of the Republic. I maybe an Achur, but I'm also a Matari.
By citizenship, yes. It's come up before, I think.
It's still dreadfully presumptuous however I look at it to start executing people for "race-treason" when the race in question isn't your own.
Treason to the nation, that I might understand-- but then, that would imply the need for some kind of legal procedure. True?
Still, it seems Ms. Del'thul doesn't object. Not that we should take her as a prime example unless we want to do the Amarrians' propaganda for them.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.02 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Sakura Imoru Miss Jenneth, if you would have checked my public record you would know that I'm a citizen of the Republic. I maybe an Achur, but I'm also a Matari.
By citizenship, yes. It's come up before, I think.
It's still dreadfully presumptuous however I look at it to start executing people for "race-treason" when the race in question isn't your own.
Treason to the nation, that I might understand-- but then, that would imply the need for some kind of legal procedure. True?
Still, it seems Ms. Del'thul doesn't object. Not that we should take her as a prime example unless we want to do the Amarrians' propaganda for them.
Where did I claim to be of Matari race?
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.01.02 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Imoru
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Sakura Imoru Miss Jenneth, if you would have checked my public record you would know that I'm a citizen of the Republic. I maybe an Achur, but I'm also a Matari.
By citizenship, yes. It's come up before, I think.
It's still dreadfully presumptuous however I look at it to start executing people for "race-treason" when the race in question isn't your own.
Treason to the nation, that I might understand-- but then, that would imply the need for some kind of legal procedure. True?
Still, it seems Ms. Del'thul doesn't object. Not that we should take her as a prime example unless we want to do the Amarrians' propaganda for them.
Where did I claim to be of Matari race?
Where did I claim that you did?
Whether you claimed it is irrelevant, Ms. Imoru. What is significant is that you seem to be executing people for betraying their own blood when you do not share that blood.
It would be sort of ... loud ... even if you were Matari by blood. You're not. But, I suppose it's up to the Matari whether to take offense at your behavior.
It's just distressing to find an Achur acting in such a way, like watching your cousin behave rudely to her host.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.02 23:20:00 -
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RJD and RSS forces have just finished to view the orphanage's files. There are eight children missing. We do not know their fate yet, but since an Amarr is involved in this we fear the worst.
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Boma Airaken
White Song Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2011.01.03 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Sakura Imoru
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Sakura Imoru Miss Jenneth, if you would have checked my public record you would know that I'm a citizen of the Republic. I maybe an Achur, but I'm also a Matari.
By citizenship, yes. It's come up before, I think.
It's still dreadfully presumptuous however I look at it to start executing people for "race-treason" when the race in question isn't your own.
Treason to the nation, that I might understand-- but then, that would imply the need for some kind of legal procedure. True?
Still, it seems Ms. Del'thul doesn't object. Not that we should take her as a prime example unless we want to do the Amarrians' propaganda for them.
Where did I claim to be of Matari race?
Where did I claim that you did?
Whether you claimed it is irrelevant, Ms. Imoru. What is significant is that you seem to be executing people for betraying their own blood when you do not share that blood.
It would be sort of ... loud ... even if you were Matari by blood. You're not. But, I suppose it's up to the Matari whether to take offense at your behavior.
It's just distressing to find an Achur acting in such a way, like watching your cousin behave rudely to her host.
Sins against heaven. Another Achur lost to slavery.
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Louella Dougans
Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2011.01.03 17:27:00 -
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I got some stuff together, going to bring it over today.
Dolls, some clothes and stuff, medicines.
Some passengers too. A group of people that wanted to do stuff for the orphans.
Got these totally cool books too, Amarr scripture things, written in Matari, which will be super!
Because like, the orphans, being able to study the scripture in Matari, will be able to think of all sorts of super things, and it'll be like the Khanid cults and stuff.
A whole new thing, like, Free Minmatar Church or something, and then they'd be totally protected from the extreme dudes, because they'd have all these Scripture arguments about things, and the Theology Council people would nod their heads in agreement at all the theophilosophical insights about how the Words apply to the Minmatar, and they'd never be enslaved and stuff.
Maybe even get some people to state a case for things to the Theology council, and then this war in the bleak lands would be over and stuffs. It'd be super! Be A Space Nun! It's Fun!! |
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