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Toby Bojangles
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:07:00 -
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I spent a little over a year working on skills for my character so that he would be good to start pvp. I started pvp'ing in fw, rvb and in lowsec a few months ago. I had a really bad kb and efficiency and every corp I talked to wouldn't recruit me or asked me why it was that bad then didn't let me in so my character was ruined. I didnt like getting grief about all the time. Even though most of my deaths were just me learning so he was pretty much worthles. No corps = no eve and I biomassed him. Does anyone know of a game that's coming out or may already be out that doesn't keep record of every mistake you make for people to judge you and moke you about and exlude you?
After all the money I've sepnt on this game, monthly subscriptions+ plex I'm pretty angry actually that this game has killboards and what it means. I didn't think about all of that when I started.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
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CF ProctoR
Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:23:00 -
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I'm having a hard time believing that no corp would take you. I can imagine that some uber-elite-we-are-the-gods-and-we-****-on-you type of corps would send you away but not all corps. Those are the corps you want the stay away from. They have stupid real-life like military attitude (you have to salute and **** like that and perhaps call the bosses sir and other nonsense). You don't want to be in such corps.
Worst thing that could happen to you is that corps won't supply you every 15 mins with a new ship.
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Toby Bojangles
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: CF ProctoR
I'm having a hard time believing that no corp would take you. I can imagine that some uber-elite-we-are-the-gods-and-we-****-on-you type of corps would send you away but not all corps. Those are the corps you want the stay away from. They have stupid real-life like military attitude (you have to salute and **** like that and perhaps call the bosses sir and other nonsense). You don't want to be in such corps.
Worst thing that could happen to you is that corps won't supply you every 15 mins with a new ship.
No not only did all of the corps I applied to like 20 before I gave up but not let me in but I didn't like playing with a killboard either so I'm not sorry I biomassed
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Morrn
Gallente Organized Chaos Inc
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:27:00 -
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You are doing it wrong man. Organized Chaos for instance, could give a rats ass about your KB. Are you a cool guy? Do you like to come out and blow people up and get blown up? Its all about having fun man. We dont give a damn. I know for a fact that there are plenty of other corps like us.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:30:00 -
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Pretty much every online game has a killboard/scoreboard of some sort and with that people who only look at such scores. What you need to do is fly with people who either don't look just at your record or are willing to teach you how to fly properly. Seriously, for some you will always be scum, since you aren't an elite PvP player. HTFU, ignore such players and instead look for good people who can get over your less than stellar record and just have some fun.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 27/12/2010 15:40:32
In my experience kb efficiency only matters for "elite" 0.0 or pirate corporations.
Most corporations (empire, 0.0 renters, ...) won't care about your killboard at all.
That said - FW and RvB are two of the best places to prop up your kb stats when you don't have access to large fleet warfare.
Just fly T1 frigs/dessies/cruisers only for a few days and you should get very favorable stats without any problems (iirc my main got >90% ISK efficiency and <25% chance of enemy survival with well over 100 kills just by participating in RvB for a few weeks). This should be good enough for anyone who doesn't want to recruit you for small-gang/solo pvp (i.e. for anyone who doesn't look too close at the quality of the kills you are involved in).
It's often a good idea to look for a mediocre corp with low self-esteem, get promoted to some officer position in no time (diplomat is nice because chances are you will have a lot of contact to more interesting corps) and work your way towards more ambitious goals from there.
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:40:00 -
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Also, you could try and ask CCP to restore your char. You have nothing to lose by asking. Worst thing is that you won't get it back.
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sperman
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:41:00 -
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bro, I haven't looked at your kill board link but calm down, have a drink or a smoke chill out. Almost all of us that actually pvp have some pretty lol losses when we where noobs, Hell I lost a sabre to a nyx yesterday... Keep looking and keep welping ships, that is how you get better. OR better yet go to battleclininc look at top killers in eve for all time, then look at the sheer amount of losses they have.
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Archbeholder
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Posted - 2010.12.27 15:45:00 -
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Killboard in counter strike is getting resetted every few minutes and you don't have to train your character for a year.
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Zangorus
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Posted - 2010.12.27 16:26:00 -
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You couldve atleast given the character to me
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2010.12.27 16:31:00 -
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Yea, like everyone else said, there are so many different options, aside from attempting to join a bunch of Corps full of elitards. Hell, you could create your OWN corporation. <<<< PaxCorpus This wasn't the road home -- This was a road littered with questions that would inevitably lead to an answer. |
Goose99
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Posted - 2010.12.27 16:34:00 -
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Jumpgate Evolutions. It's what Eve used to be in the early days, and could have been if it went a different direction. In limbo, and may not ever come out though.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.27 16:35:00 -
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Biomasing a skilled character is dumb.
Hell even if you wanted to start fresh you save the former to use for logistics or possibly a spy at some point.
As far as KB's and recruiting go I can't imaging looking at some of these corp killboards out there that you couldn't find a single corp that would take you just because of that.
More likely to be an attitude problem on your side.
My advice is keep a good humor about everything in the game. You get ganked you toss a gf in local. Nobody likes a whiner and the EVE population is particularly brutal when it comes to dealing with them.
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Voren Drait
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Posted - 2010.12.27 16:46:00 -
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I agree killboards change the way people play, for the worst in my opinion, however I don't believe no corp would let you in. When asked why your k/l ratio was so bad, did you not tell them that half of it was you learning to PvP, and the other half was you engaging in PvP, then the other guy screams like a wimp on TS and 50 friends show up to make sure he doesn't lose 7 or 8 million credits being blown up, as happens in 9 out of 10 solo-PvP experiences?
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Toby Bojangles
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 Jumpgate Evolutions. It's what Eve used to be in the early days, and could have been if it went a different direction. In limbo, and may not ever come out though.
I just visited the community site, thanks a lot for the headsup on this.
Also to everyone else. I really like the idea of eve. I don't mind losing ships. I clearly do it all the time. I just want to pvp. But I also dont even like posting wins because then the wins become what the pvp is about to put them in your stats.
I also don't like the corp mentalities, the elitism and corps like 99% of FW as an example. Thinking that everyone wants to 'spy' on the or you will ruin our kb stats, Both of those a dumb. The kb one more. I just don't like that a kb is the overwhelming controler in this game, not the game itself.
You popped a ship? Better put it on the kb You lost a ship? That's going to mess with your kb efficiency Who are you? Nvmd I'll just look at your kb Your only the othersaide of the universe what do you fly? Nvmd I'll just look at your kb How much ISK do you have? Nvmd Ill look at the kb Who do you fly with? NVmd I'll look at your kb Who don't you like? nvmd kb
on and on. It doesn't feel science fiction or spacey enoiugh for me. Seems pretty gay. Everything else in eve is good though.
I'm going to take a look at jumpgate. It will be enough even if it never comes out to browse the forums, wait on andother game than it would be to log on in eve and worry about my kb
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The Slayer
Caldari GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: The Slayer on 27/12/2010 17:11:53
Originally by: Toby Bojangles Killboard Complaints
No but see, you are going about this all wrong. Do YOU care about your killboard stats? Clearly not, since you have said you don't like playing killboards in space. So what the hell does it matter? You don't HAVE to have a killboard, you don't HAVE to post to a killboard. As an intel gathering tool yes it is useful to use the killboard to find out about enemies, but show me an MMO with the diversity of Eve that doesnt have a similar thing.
The main thing is to HAVE FUN. So you died, and your killboard stats will take a hit. Did you enjoy yourself?
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The Slayer
Caldari GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Archbeholder Killboard in counter strike is getting resetted every few minutes and you don't have to train your character for a year.
Ahh yes this is true, but if you are in a clan or playing competitively you will have win/loss records, and possibly a league ranking and other stats available online. Every game if played "elite" enough will track your performance.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:18:00 -
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Train for a logistics, Scimi or Guardian and then your KB stats don't matter, most corps would snap you up immediately.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:42:00 -
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Look, killboards stats do matter to many directors. Heck, not being embarassed by pilots matters to directors.
I've gotten frowned at for proposing fits that might reflect badly on the corp if they appeared on someone's else killboard even though I was one of the corp's top PvPers. To many corps reputation matters, and having members with lol-fittings appear on some public killboard apparently the number one way of a corp to get a bad rep.
Heck, even flying T1 cruisers or (god forbid!) fit T1 modules could get a corp ridiculed horribly. Heck, people were ridiculed for flying Drakes in PvP in the past. If you want to be hot and happening in EVE, you gotta keep with the trends, and the trend for a long time has been having a 90%+ K/D ratio and no lossmails against inferior ships.
For lack of other epeen measuring devices in EVE, I think the killboards/killmails will continue to perform this function for some time to come.
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Toby Bojangles
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Toby Bojangles on 27/12/2010 17:43:37
Originally by: The Slayer Edited by: The Slayer on 27/12/2010 17:11:53
Originally by: Toby Bojangles Killboard Complaints
No but see, you are going about this all wrong. Do YOU care about your killboard stats? Clearly not, since you have said you don't like playing killboards in space. So what the hell does it matter? You don't HAVE to have a killboard, you don't HAVE to post to a killboard. As an intel gathering tool yes it is useful to use the killboard to find out about enemies, but show me an MMO with the diversity of Eve that doesnt have a similar thing.
The main thing is to HAVE FUN. So you died, and your killboard stats will take a hit. Did you enjoy yourself?
That's true. Only caveat to that is a played with no kb in 2008 and quit for irl reasons. When I came back to the game and started a new character and didn't join a corp for a few months while I trained people thought I was a spy when I sighted my old main as reference to explain why I didn't feel like playing with low sp for the first few months and that I was not a new player.
What I'm saying is people expect that you have a killboard, and if you don't post individual kills people will still see you on other mails and just assume you never had them/ it never happened and your lieing. So with the existance of this universal kb / killmail thing in eve it is made almost completely mandatory. Unless you only want to solo and it truelly has no effect at all.
Debbie, yeah I've never played a logi character. I may give that a thought. I'm not sure about it though.
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The Slayer
Caldari GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth Look, killboards stats do matter to many directors. Heck, not being embarassed by pilots matters to directors.
Note the importance of the word "many" and not "all" in this sentence. Many people worry about stats. However, many more do NOT. If you find a corp who won't let you in because of your killmail stats and you yourself do not care about them then that corp was too serious/hardcore/whatever for you anyway. And I cannot believe some corps would frown on T1 ships, flying around in T1 bcs and cruisers is awesome fun, and the Rifter is the best ship in eve.
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Sealiah
Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:47:00 -
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CLBC looks at the kill boards only to check if you didn't kill our friends, not at stats... And I know of a lot of corps that do that...
Don't look for hardcore pvp corps = you'd get accepted.
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Ephemeron
Solitairian Society
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:58:00 -
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How can I see his stats?
This thread sounds like a refined troll
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:41:00 -
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Having losses on the killboard is not a problem in itself. It's more about what kind of losses they are, and if you learn from your mistakes.
For example:
One player might have a 98% kill ratio but is always in overwhelming blobs and his losses are against solo players or small gangs. He is likely not as good of a PVPer as someone that has a 50% kill ratio but gets most of those as solo kills. However it does show he participates in corp activities and is a team player.
Someone else might have a bunch of harbinger losses with blasters, railguns, small auto cannons, shield extenders, hull and armor repairers all on the same ship. Is this because he was never taught how to fit his ships well, or is it that he takes advice as people trying to force him to play in a way he doesn't want to?
Another player has lots of losses with NPCs involved/loot in his cargo. Does he pay attention to his surroundings while ratting? Is he using intel channels?
In the end, there are plenty of corps out there that don't care about their KB stats (You can tell by looking at their boards). Even with ones that do care, there are plenty out there that are willing to show you the ropes if you are willing to learn. After all, the biggest hurdle is finding someone that is willing to risk their ships in battle. After that, its just getting more practice. If you have a good attitude and are willing to learn then you shouldn't have a problem finding a corp.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:44:00 -
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Join a corp with decent people in it and you wont have this problem.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:48:00 -
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Well, incredibly stupid to biomass a trained character. The very least if you really hated it, you could sell it on the forums.
Learn to KM ***** and start off in a group that won't fight outside of 3 to 1 odds, you'll have decent stats in no time.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:06:00 -
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Moved from general discussion.
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Shailagh R
WTB Somalians
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:07:00 -
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post the name of the char you biomassed cause of the lol-mails. please, god please post the name....
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen
Also, you could try and ask CCP to restore your char. You have nothing to lose by asking. Worst thing is that you won't get it back.
This and also check out if Agony Unleashed is still running their PVP university for their first course and then could attend all future courses if their was room available. The following is the original format to apply to the class but Rells left the game over a year ago. He could be back, but I have not been surfing many of the other forums recently. Agony Unleashed PVP University class and see if that can help your killboard out. Plus if you get good there who knows what could happen. Just make sure you follow the instructions to the t if and when you apply.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2010.12.28 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 28/12/2010 02:43:49 Dude, come join us! I couldn't give a rat's furry ass what your kb record is or anyone else's for that matter. You know when I look at killboards? When someone posts a kill in chat, and that's just to see the loot. There's just one rule in BtB: don't be a douchebag.
Killboards are good if you're running in a corporation such as Noir. They are an elite mercenary corp and maximum participation and skill is required to join their ranks. They have a very impressive record and handle tons of contracts. If that's not your thing, killboards don't really matter, aside from some asshat in local stroking his e-go.
I know this post may be better suited for the recruiting forum, but I'm just letting you know that there is a place for you in tons of corps.
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