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thisisnotright
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: thisisnotright on 27/12/2010 17:54:18 I seem to recall that that was the actual quote, but I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong.
I never understood that statement, having played EVE since a time when battleships took many months to get in form of endless hours of mining and crap agent loot. Yes the game mechanics were pretty funny, and by today's standards it was broken, but it was endlessly better than it is today.
A battleship is not meant to be a solo pwnmobile? I guess that thought pattern comes from player A meeting player B and player A "pwning" player B just because hes in a battleship? Ok. This was during exodus if I remember correctly. What about player A meeting player B and pwning player B just because hes in an alliance? No no, I'm not arguing for a single player to be able to "pwn" a whole alliance. If you are not an anti-intellectual you will continue to read and reply later, if you are then you will be typing furiously right now. I can imagine it being in the lines of "l2p/whine/cry" or whatever. (The EVE community took a serious hit when Star Wars Galaxy died and thousand of Americans started to migrate from it as well as World of warcraft)
The reasons you nerfed "solo pwnmobiles" are the same reasons you should now boost soloplay. The EVE universe in quite crowded, your game made it. Congratulations. Prime time on Saturdays has more than 2000 players like it once had, its 500000 players now.
the game is great in so many ways, but it lacks options people who care little of being a petty peasant in an alliance machine. EVe online once had options for such individuals, but the development over the last years has greatly decreased these options.
Boost soloplay CCP
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Xercodo
Amarr INESTO Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:59:00 -
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1) lol @ name 2) While I don't think you picked the best way to argue your point I do see merit in what your trying to say. That being said, I fear that CCP change things too much cause i kinda like how it is now cause of familiarity and all that hehe...
-------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 27/12/2010 18:04:59 Was there a point to this verbal diarrhoea?
EDIT: Oh I see, It's a stealth anti-American troll
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:06:00 -
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It occured to me the other day that when it comes to the game CCP talks up how corporations need to have hundreds of players and be in alliances of thousands in order to succeed, and that just makes sense, but in reality their own corporation, CCP, is kept as small as possible.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Morrn
Gallente Organized Chaos Inc
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:07:00 -
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If you arent able to get down to buisness without being in an alliance, then you broke something.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: thisisnotright (The EVE community took a serious hit when Star Wars Galaxy died and thousand of Americans started to migrate from it as well as World of warcraft)
Don't forget the russians and chinese! Oh and the french too!
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Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:27:00 -
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Look at real life combat. "Solo" kills are never accomplished by marching a big heavy tank or battleship alone into enemy territory. They're accomplished using snipers, stealth, or some other form of guerilla warfare. Battleships and tanks and other similar big, heavy, slow, high-damage combat vehicles are ALWAYS escorted by support troops/fleets/whatever.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:33:00 -
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Right now, the "pwn mobile" would be HAC/T3, not BS. No one uses BS anymore because they overgimped it. CCP needs to roll back some, but not all of the gimp so it's actually balanced. When everyone uses something (HAC), that's a good indication it's OP, when no one use something (BS), it's gimped. Once there's a nice mix, it's a sign that you've achieved balance.
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Ian Holloway
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:38:00 -
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It's wrong, the FA shouldn't allow this to happen. It is wrong and needs to be fixed.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 Right now, the "pwn mobile" would be HAC/T3, not BS. No one uses BS anymore because they overgimped it. CCP needs to roll back some, but not all of the gimp so it's actually balanced. When everyone uses something (HAC), that's a good indication it's OP, when no one use something (BS), it's gimped. Once there's a nice mix, it's a sign that you've achieved balance.
... because no one uses Battleships in PVP anymore.
===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Faust Look at real life combat. "Solo" kills are never accomplished by marching a big heavy tank or battleship alone into enemy territory. They're accomplished using snipers, stealth, or some other form of guerilla warfare. Battleships and tanks and other similar big, heavy, slow, high-damage combat vehicles are ALWAYS escorted by support troops/fleets/whatever.
Tanks were initially designed to be solo infantry pwnmobiles, not to fight other tanks. Everything in RL military strategy develops around killing as many enemy troops as possible with the least amount of your own men and effort. As a counter to tanks, infantry weapons were deveoped which allowed one man to take out a tank and its crew.
And lets not even start with bombs. There's individual stealth craft now which can easily 'solo' entire countries with dropped munitions.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Goose99
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Goose99 Right now, the "pwn mobile" would be HAC/T3, not BS. No one uses BS anymore because they overgimped it. CCP needs to roll back some, but not all of the gimp so it's actually balanced. When everyone uses something (HAC), that's a good indication it's OP, when no one use something (BS), it's gimped. Once there's a nice mix, it's a sign that you've achieved balance.
... because no one uses Battleships in PVP anymore.
Yep. Not even in larger gangs post-dominion, and definitely not solo. They're still around as baits, but that's a minor role and not direct pvp.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.27 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 Right now, the "pwn mobile" would be HAC/T3, not BS. No one uses BS anymore because they overgimped it. CCP needs to roll back some, but not all of the gimp so it's actually balanced. When everyone uses something (HAC), that's a good indication it's OP, when no one use something (BS), it's gimped. Once there's a nice mix, it's a sign that you've achieved balance.
I still use BS in small fast gangs
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Iraherag
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Posted - 2010.12.27 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Goose99 Right now, the "pwn mobile" would be HAC/T3, not BS. No one uses BS anymore because they overgimped it. CCP needs to roll back some, but not all of the gimp so it's actually balanced. When everyone uses something (HAC), that's a good indication it's OP, when no one use something (BS), it's gimped. Once there's a nice mix, it's a sign that you've achieved balance.
I still use BS in small fast gangs
urdoinitrong, yes?
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Fkn Arson
0ne Percent.
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Goose99 Right now, the "pwn mobile" would be HAC/T3, not BS. No one uses BS anymore because they overgimped it. CCP needs to roll back some, but not all of the gimp so it's actually balanced. When everyone uses something (HAC), that's a good indication it's OP, when no one use something (BS), it's gimped. Once there's a nice mix, it's a sign that you've achieved balance.
... because no one uses Battleships in PVP anymore.
Yep. Not even in larger gangs post-dominion, and definitely not solo. They're still around as baits, but that's a minor role and not direct pvp.
My sarcasm meter, it just blew up, damn you both!
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:26:00 -
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LINK
THIS!!!!!
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hired goon
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:29:00 -
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Before we continue can someone please explain to me why you would subscribe to a 'Massively Multiplayer' game, then complain on said game's forums there is a lack of solo-play?
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Before we continue can someone please explain to me why you would subscribe to a 'Massively Multiplayer' game, then complain on said game's forums there is a lack of solo-play?
Because they're more interested in kicking ass than making friends?
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Stratharn
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:31:00 -
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So what are people using for the solo pwnmobile stuff then?
I know that drakes were favoured for a while. What gives you bang for buck at the moment? Rifter 3D
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: hired goon Before we continue can someone please explain to me why you would subscribe to a 'Massively Multiplayer' game, then complain on said game's forums there is a lack of solo-play?
Because they're more interested in kicking ass than making friends?
can't you kick ass AND make friends?
or actually making friends that like to kick ass like you? ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.27 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Can't you kick ass AND make friends?
or actually making friends that like to kick ass like you?
A good solo PvP experience would encourage that.
I'm just saying solo PvP isn't a completely unreasonable subject in MMOs. Many people join them to compete with and destroy other players from around the world on a personal level, not to be just another forgotten name in the blob, fighting for someone elses goals.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: thisisnotright (The EVE community took a serious hit when Star Wars Galaxy died and thousand of Americans started to migrate from it as well as World of warcraft)
Speaking as an American who has never played either of those two games, **** you.
Also, the quote is
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The carrier was never meant to be an OMGWTF mission running PWNMobile.
If you're going to ***** about Americans, at least apply the stealth whine layer correctly, moron. --Vel
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:08:00 -
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Battleships aren't meant to be solo pwnmobiles for a very simple reason: because nothing is.
That is not the same as saying that stuff can't be used solo ù it's just that solo, each and every piece of "stuff" can be very easily countered. Playing solo is simply about using the right tool for the situation you want to be in, and then making sure you find yourself in that exact situation. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:23:00 -
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Nothing should solopwn. Solo should be very hard because its an MMO - there will always be 2 or more people to fight you.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:30:00 -
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When it comes to running level 4 missions, battleships are solopwnmobiles...
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Rented
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:32:00 -
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Yes to increasing solo-playability. No to how ******ed you are.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:36:00 -
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It does make sense for there to be power in numbers, but it should be within reason.
On the small and large scales things are too skewed in favor of numbers.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Mina Hiragi
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Before we continue can someone please explain to me why you would subscribe to a 'Massively Multiplayer' game, then complain on said game's forums there is a lack of solo-play?
Because massively multiplayer means nothing more than, "Several metric arse loads of players". It does not inherently mean, "Everyone split into two teams, guys!" |
Rented
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mina Hiragi
Originally by: hired goon Before we continue can someone please explain to me why you would subscribe to a 'Massively Multiplayer' game, then complain on said game's forums there is a lack of solo-play?
Because massively multiplayer means nothing more than, "Several metric arse loads of players". It does not inherently mean, "Everyone split into two teams, guys!"
Good post. I lol'd.
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thisisnotright
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Posted - 2010.12.27 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: thisisnotright on 27/12/2010 21:43:01
Originally by: hired goon Before we continue can someone please explain to me why you would subscribe to a 'Massively Multiplayer' game, then complain on said game's forums there is a lack of solo-play?
For one there is the setting. You know, space.
This means that space is not like your college dorm, with the keg-meizter shouting "ok everyone get into safespot so we can log off so we can trick our single enemy cruiser into attacking our bait destroyer that will drop a cyno so we can warp our 100 man gang+cap ships and gank him".
If you are younger, then I guess the analogy would be that space is not like elementary school. Even though you might find yourself in a group of people who view themselves as the stuff, there is a whole world out there. In current mechanics that world is not there.
I'm not sure where you find this idea that 'Massively Multiplayer' means being the drone of nihilistic people with ego issues.
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Speaking as an American who has never played either of those two games, **** you.
Well you should. You appear to fit right in.
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Also, the quote is The carrier was never meant to be an OMGWTF mission running PWNMobile. If you're going to ***** about Americans, at least apply the stealth whine layer correctly, moron.
How predictable and boring. Not only are your tantrum misguided. You are also wrong. No one but you are talking about carriers.
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