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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.01.18 22:53:00 -
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After a long while I've recently just bough another Blackbird, only to be completely disgusted by the way it handles. You need 2 Nanofibers just to make it actually fly like a cruiser, instead of a battleship.
And that while it's supposed to be one of the lightest cruisers out there. You can rip through it even with a frigate in a matter of seconds. Doesn't that, combined it really lacks offensive firepower, make it handicapped enough already as it is?
It is now probably just as unpopular as the bellicose.
Are there any pilots here left that frequently fly in Blackbirds?
I personally think it's time that the other races get their EW cruisers as well by the way. You can still keep the 'Caldari are the best at EW' by keeping the CPU for the other ships lower, or don't give them the EW bonus.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.01.18 22:57:00 -
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I havent flown it in a while but i used to fly em all the time. Theyre cheap EW ships or have room for a good amount of hardeners. ---------------------------
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Grievance
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Posted - 2005.01.18 23:01:00 -
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i stopped flying my bb after the cruise missile nerf.
the cpa on bbs sucks so much that shield tanking isnt really an option, so ew is the only way to go - which is why its been uber nerfed, and why its uber weak.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2005.01.18 23:01:00 -
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BB roxxors ur boxxors. One cruiser that is actually usefull. ----------------------
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.01.18 23:05:00 -
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Blackbird used to have awesome handling and acceleration ;.;
IIRC that was because the weight of ship was bugged and close to weight of a frigate. So when the time came to "fix" it, that was done with typical efficiency by adding extra 0 to the ship mass, making it the heaviest cruiser. And whenever anyone dared to suggest that might be like... wrong... there's immediately bunch of people screaming "ohh but it's such great EW ship, it has to suck at everything else just to make it fair" --;;
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.01.18 23:06:00 -
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In fleetbattles the EW ships always die like flies. I don't see why they need to fly like bricks as well.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2005.01.19 01:58:00 -
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Well, I like the BB for my second account.
Just put one at 90km with a sensor booster or two and some racial jammers and take out a few enemy BS for a bit before dying or warping out.
Also still good for frig killing tbh.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.01.19 02:05:00 -
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Blackbird are pretty weak
thy have bad locking times, are slow, low shields and low damage output
bad cap and bad agility do the rest
only usable as cheap EW ship when your too poor for a Scorpion Wanna fly with me?
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Leshrac Shepherd
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Posted - 2005.01.19 02:57:00 -
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You get a pretty efficient EW platform for 3 completely insurable million isk, I guess it's a pretty good deal. Yeah, it flies like a brick and insta-dies to anything but you've got to live with it, just get another one... As I said, they are damn cheap.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2005.01.19 05:19:00 -
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The bb had its best time long before i started pvp or could fly a cruser =) So the leet players say :D
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Jaissica
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Posted - 2005.01.19 06:40:00 -
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2 bbs vs any bs that isnt packing a decent supply of fof...
the bbs are gonna spank it... enough mids to jam it, tackle it, webby it all by themselves. Only question would then be can the pathetic firepower break the bs's tank (prolly not vs a good tank)
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.01.19 06:53:00 -
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BB's are perfect!
So long as it's nestled <100m away from the sniper it's boosting and is at least 120Km away from the battle area. Oh, and don't forget to load up those transfer arrays up top, because you won't be targetting anything with it (not like you had a chance to hit anything even if you could).
Yeah, BB's are perfect!
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.19 07:23:00 -
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Well, it has a role, which is more than can be said about the other three tier two cruisers.
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2005.01.19 07:44:00 -
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I loved the Blackbird of days gone by. That ship was agile, and with three heavy launchers packing torpedoes, it had some punch. Both those, are now gone. The Blackbird used to be the best agent mission ship. Now it is the museum piece.
If the crushing Nerf on the ship agility, and speed was removed, the ship could find purpose again, serving Level 2/3 agent runners.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.01.19 07:45:00 -
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I can see by the people here who dislike flying the bb, which people would be the easiest to kill. It is my favourite cruiser, and is easily the best one in the game.
However, it is also going to be hit the absolute hardest by the EW / missile nerf (maybe apart from scorp) ------------
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Phyre
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Posted - 2005.01.19 08:58:00 -
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hehe, this might sound odd, but I agree and disagree at the same time with many things said here :P
The bb is a crappy cruiser, agreed. It flies like the Master Chief on Halo2... agreed. It has about as much cap as a 1.2 volt battery... agreed.
But the bb is a great solo cruiser. It's cheap, so I don't mind losing it. Any solo encounter I come across I can jam them.. that's all the defense I need. The three missile launchers, while slow at killing battleships, are still ok enough to handle cruisers, and certainly well enough to handle frigs. While its flight capability rival that of a rock, I don't find myself needing to buzz around people too much. Usually I can just sit there, move close enough to warp scramble and web and jam... and then just not move while I fire missiles and use my Nos systems. It's cap is absolutely horrid. Often I have to jump twice to cover the distance between gates, where no single other cruiser that I like to fly can do that. But, aside from using 4 multispectral jammers, I don't need cap. The missile launchers take hardly anything to operate, and a single Nos system can sustain 3 MF jammers indefinently, so that's enough to jam any cruiser.
When in a fleet, I'll be a red headed retarded step child if I warp in close with the rest of them. I'm gonna sit WAY the f*** back with the snipers and use jammers. I'll Nos one of my friends to keep my cap up if I have to, but I know that Scorps and Blackbirds in a fleet fight live about as long as Michael Jackson's latest nose job.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.01.19 09:25:00 -
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BB's are fine
they handle like brik, but so does every other caldari ship
oh any yeah, it has 6 medslots... while its not best NPC or stuff ship
its it best money to usefulness ration ship in PVP
simplly the best ... -------------------------------------------
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.01.19 10:26:00 -
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3 multis, 2 webs 1 scrambler... frig killer...
folks in a frig see a BB,. they are like wOOt, mwd towards him and blow the crap ship up...
EVERY SHIP in this game has a use, and a setup that will be usefull... i have yet o find this in the herron, but im sure its there:)..
imagine gettin pwned by a herron though, eh... a may just see if a can get a usefull setup laters.
d solo
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Diicc Tater
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Posted - 2005.01.19 10:30:00 -
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Don't forget that it is FUGLY! Looks like the designers had a really bad day there... it's so ugly you have to tie half a ton of KFC onto it to make the Homeless people in my hanger even look at it. No way the Exotic dancers put up a show with one of 'em BBs docked in the shipyard.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.01.19 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox The bb had its best time long before i started pvp or could fly a cruser =) So the leet players say :D
Wasn't that long before I remember it's agility being nerfed to hell just after I joined Celes (bought a BB 2 days before the nerf ) and as I remember you joined shortly after.
BB was a bit uber before that change though and I still say it's pretty good now if not only for the reason that it has a purpose in EVE. Come to think of all the Caldari cruisers seem to have some unique ability that the other Caldari cruisers do not posess. __________ Capacitor research |
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.01.19 11:00:00 -
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BB's aren't as useful as they used to be, but they still have a place in any conflict where you need a cheap ECM platform that you don't mind losing.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.01.19 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cartiff BB's aren't as useful as they used to be, but they still have a place in any conflict where you need a cheap ECM platform that you don't mind losing.
why u folks say things like that... they arnt as agile as they once were... but they do now have a kinetic missile damage bonus and can run multi ECM...
u trying to say u wouldnt lose some agility for multis and more damage?.... a deffo would..
BB is a support cruiser used to support fleets at range...
5 damps and 1 sensor booster is a devastating setup and can cause mucho trouble...
BB is the most usefull cruiser ingame, BAR NONE.
so, no, its not had its day.
d solo.
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MasterOB1
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Posted - 2005.01.19 11:23:00 -
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The fact of the matter is even if the blackbird did no damage, it would still by far be the most useful cruiser out there.
If you are a half decent pilot and fit the ship out well - the loot you make from PvP in a blackbird by far covers the amount of times you loose the ship. I am no million-air but even if you dont get much loot, the ship costs peanuts to buy + fit.
BB's have no where near reached 'their day'.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.01.19 13:32:00 -
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My most recent BB set up has ZERO weapons that do actual damage to the enemy (Damp the enemy, yes, but no actual damage). I focused purely on fleet support, which is the BB's strong point.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.01.19 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo EVERY SHIP in this game has a use, and a setup that will be usefull... i have yet o find this in the herron, but im sure its there:)..
Thank god! Finally someone that can tell me a good setup for my augoror! Do tell, solo ------------
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.01.19 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: darth solo EVERY SHIP in this game has a use, and a setup that will be usefull... i have yet o find this in the herron, but im sure its there:)..
Thank god! Finally someone that can tell me a good setup for my augoror! Do tell, solo
let me think bout that one for a wee while matey.
d solo.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.01.19 18:52:00 -
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Quote: u trying to say u wouldnt lose some agility for multis and more damage?.... a deffo would..
And not enough cap to run 4 multis at once for long. Als what more damage? From really crap to a little bit less crap.
I find it a lot more important if it doesn't fly like the tank it isn't. Even battleships can turn faster.
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Melchar
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Posted - 2005.01.20 04:14:00 -
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Blackbird is still a useful ship, as others have said, but that agility nerf really killed it for me. It used to be an awesome travelling ship, you could align to warp away faster etc - surely, surely, a lightly armoured Hi Tech EW ship should be fast and agile because it can't really fight?
I've been playing Eve almost since a month or two after release, and of all the changes, nerfs etc (a lot of good has been done too definately), the one thing that really gets right on my nerves is the Blackbird agility and speed nerf. It really does not make sense. Hi Tech ship? Its like having a ferrari and putting really thin crappy wheels and tyres on it and sticking a potato in the exhaust |
Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.20 06:50:00 -
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Whoever says you can't run 4 multispecs on a blackbird should actually try it sometime. It runs for a decent amount of time, long enough for most skirmishes and certainly long enough to have provided more worth than any other cruiser would have provided. With a couple cap relays it can run it forever, or just about.
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Liam Fremen
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:23:00 -
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The bb is one of my favourite cruiser beacause:
With caldari cruiser 4 u can run ecm multi about forever if you don't use them in autorepeat, whi u should use autorepeat for jam a bs? u just keep them working by hand, the bs will not have time for lock at same... and ur cap last at about forever, 4 multi can jam 2 frigate, without problems, with 2 balistic u make nice dmg with ur heavys, if u die well, 4 mills (fitting included) gone, not a problem :D and for sure have more chance of survive to scramblers... 2 frigate scramble u? jam them and go away, is like having WCS ^_^ obviously is weak, if they hit, u die, but if u work well is very damn funny, a med nos on hi slot is very useful for keep the cap active without any trouble...
On NPC is amazing, my npc fitting is: 3 heavys, 1 large shield xtender tech2, 1 med xtender named, 1 c5-l shield booster, and 3 active hardeners + 2 balistic control, i make all lvl3 mission (extravaganza / mordus / silence informant included) without problem, u have at least resist and shield amount for survive if you are not a dumbass.
I think is a very good ship, slow, but wtf, 200m/s is at least for go around if u don't have to jump everywhere.
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