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Hairy Belly
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Posted - 2010.12.29 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hairy Belly on 29/12/2010 11:36:56 So I keep seeing alot of these banner ads on 3rd party and fansites, that sell ISK and macro programs for Eve. I'm sure CCP is aware of the existence of these ads by now, and I'm curious what is beeing done to deal with them if anything?
Thought I'd make a thread about this to raise awareness and hopefully make someone do something about it.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.29 11:45:00 -
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Because nobody has noticed this before, let alone made a thread about it! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.12.29 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hairy Belly Thought I'd make a thread about this to raise awareness and hopefully make someone do something about it.
And, as a result, I'm sure they're getting right on it..
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2010.12.29 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hairy Belly Edited by: Hairy Belly on 29/12/2010 11:36:56 So I keep seeing alot of these banner ads on 3rd party and fansites, that sell ISK and macro programs for Eve. I'm sure CCP is aware of the existence of these ads by now, and I'm curious what is beeing done to deal with them if anything?
Thought I'd make a thread about this to raise awareness and hopefully make someone do something about it.
Two things:
Almost all banner ads and the like are individualized for you according to your surfing history. See the many threads about complaints that Eve players see all too many Eve Online ads. Perhaps your surfing (and utilizing?) isk and macro sites is coming back to haunt you.
What, pray tell, do you think 'someone' should do about this, send in the SWAT teams? Maybe CCP can deploy snipers and eliminate the axis of evil? Good lord, man, you need to HTFU and reclaim, if you ever had any, your sense of personal responsibility.
You could also just get any one of a number of good ad-blocking add-ons for your browser and not even see the ads, of course.
You have a nice day now, ya hear?
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Hairy Belly
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Posted - 2010.12.29 12:57:00 -
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Ahh, sarcasm. Love it! But seriously, It's bugging me seeing these ads and if the problems were gone noone would make another thread right?
These sites make a profit from advertising actors that sells CCP's property and programs that are used to violate the EULA etc.. I know the site owners don't choose directly what goes in the ads, but there has to be a simple way of avoiding them. Just saying.
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Rat Mcgee
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Posted - 2010.12.29 12:59:00 -
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CCP does not want to offend its macro mining paying customers.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.29 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hairy Belly Ahh, sarcasm. Love it! But seriously, It's bugging me seeing these ads and if the problems were gone noone would make another thread right?
These sites make a profit from advertising actors that sells CCP's property and programs that are used to violate the EULA etc.. I know the site owners don't choose directly what goes in the ads, but there has to be a simple way of avoiding them. Just saying.
Making advertisements disappear cannot be done. CCP cannot force someone else to stop advertising something; and even if they could, hundreds of new adverts pop up every day. See Chribbas battle with Adsense about it, god knows how many ads he blocks on his sites a week.
This thread comes up every month or two, and at the end of the day CCP can do nothing. Only you can, by installing an adblocker, and not clicking the links. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Hairy Belly
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Posted - 2010.12.29 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Xylengra Perhaps your surfing (and utilizing?) isk and macro sites is coming back to haunt you.
Yes I surf on Eve sites alot, duh. And I have bought GTC's legally, though ALL my surfing history are cleared on this comp when I exit the web browser.
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Hairy Belly
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Posted - 2010.12.29 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Hairy Belly on 29/12/2010 14:24:13
Originally by: Blane Xero This thread comes up every month or two, and at the end of the day CCP can do nothing. Only you can, by installing an adblocker, and not clicking the links.
Guess it was my turn to make this months thread then. And it's not me I'm worried about really, newbs seeing the ads might get tempted and *bam* a new ISK buyer or macroer is born. What you really are suggesting there is that someone, perhaps CCP or the sites with the ads should recommend adblockers? Kinda like eating the cookie and still have it imo..
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2010.12.29 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hairy Belly Edited by: Hairy Belly on 29/12/2010 14:24:13
Originally by: Blane Xero This thread comes up every month or two, and at the end of the day CCP can do nothing. Only you can, by installing an adblocker, and not clicking the links.
Guess it was my turn to make this months thread then. And it's not me I'm worried about really, newbs seeing the ads might get tempted and *bam* a new ISK buyer or macroer is born. What you really are suggesting there is that someone, perhaps CCP or the sites with the ads should recommend adblockers? Kinda like eating the cookie and still have it imo..
No, what we are suggesting is that each and every player, new or old, make their own choices and accepts the possible consequences as they come. We don't need you, or CCP, to be our nannies, as most of us have grown up by the time we get to Eve.
Put another way, if some nublet chooses to buy isk illegally (there are, after all, ways of buying isk legally), then that probably isn't the type of player who should stay in the game. Darwinism.
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BlondieBC
Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Missions
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Posted - 2010.12.29 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hairy Belly
Originally by: Xylengra Perhaps your surfing (and utilizing?) isk and macro sites is coming back to haunt you.
Yes I surf on Eve sites alot, duh. And I have bought GTC's legally, though ALL my surfing history are cleared on this comp when I exit the web browser.
Try the "In Private Browsing" Feature of Microsoft explorer.
Also, verify you security settings to minimize the amount of data kept by thirdy parties.
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dischordia
Gallente wiggle Tech.
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Posted - 2010.12.29 17:56:00 -
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"Google adds" Which most of these are, are a very hard to stop the "nasty" adds coming through.
You can put lots of changes to a site and still some of the nasty ones will get through as more and more are being made every day.
Just my two pence
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Lanais Suleia
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Posted - 2010.12.29 22:34:00 -
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There are ads on the interwebs? |
Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.12.29 22:50:00 -
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Stop buying ISK, the problem will resolve itself.
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Lord Dragonmede
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Posted - 2010.12.30 00:30:00 -
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I predict that CCP will respond by locking this thread...
Working as intended - move along - nothing to see here...
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.12.30 01:56:00 -
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What are these "ads" you speak of? ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Bieber Fever
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Posted - 2010.12.30 03:00:00 -
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I turned off adblock once, god damn the internet sucks.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.12.30 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hairy Belly ... though ALL my surfing history are cleared on this comp when I exit the web browser.
Do you have Flash installed? Then no, your surfing history is not cleared when you exit the web browser.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2010.12.30 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: KaarBaak on 30/12/2010 12:21:21 AFAIK, owning/running an RMT business is not illegal (in my country). Surely it's a violation of EULA and ToS, and CCP is within it's rights to enforce it's rules by banning accounts, &etc and not allowing participants to play their game. But advertising a legal business is legal.
If you have a problem with such ads, your derision should be directed at the website owner/manager or stop patronizing their site altogether.
Regardless, CCP has little jurisdiction over the issue.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Voren Drait
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Posted - 2010.12.30 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xylengra
Originally by: Hairy Belly Edited by: Hairy Belly on 29/12/2010 11:36:56 So I keep seeing alot of these banner ads on 3rd party and fansites, that sell ISK and macro programs for Eve. I'm sure CCP is aware of the existence of these ads by now, and I'm curious what is beeing done to deal with them if anything?
Thought I'd make a thread about this to raise awareness and hopefully make someone do something about it.
Two things:
Almost all banner ads and the like are individualized for you according to your surfing history. See the many threads about complaints that Eve players see all too many Eve Online ads. Perhaps your surfing (and utilizing?) isk and macro sites is coming back to haunt you.
What, pray tell, do you think 'someone' should do about this, send in the SWAT teams? Maybe CCP can deploy snipers and eliminate the axis of evil? Good lord, man, you need to HTFU and reclaim, if you ever had any, your sense of personal responsibility.
You could also just get any one of a number of good ad-blocking add-ons for your browser and not even see the ads, of course.
You have a nice day now, ya hear?
He doesn't need to have surfed or bought from a macro/isk selling site to have these ads pop up, he needs only to have, say, searched for topics about macro miners, but searched through google with the words "Macro miners, EVE online". I search for topics like this through google often, seeing as the forum search function is... Well, awful.
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Ghanur Niemandzoon
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Posted - 2010.12.30 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Hairy Belly ... though ALL my surfing history are cleared on this comp when I exit the web browser.
Do you have Flash installed? Then no, your surfing history is not cleared when you exit the web browser.
And that is why all people should use Firefox with adblock plus, noscript, better privacy (clears everything flashy) and ghostery (to stop third-party tracing scripts) - the internet will be a much safer place now ;)
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2010.12.30 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ghanur Niemandzoon
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Hairy Belly ... though ALL my surfing history are cleared on this comp when I exit the web browser.
Do you have Flash installed? Then no, your surfing history is not cleared when you exit the web browser.
And that is why all people should use Firefox with adblock plus, noscript, better privacy (clears everything flashy) and ghostery (to stop third-party tracing scripts) - the internet will be a much safer place now ;)
And wrap your monitor with tinfoil.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Hairy Belly
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Posted - 2010.12.30 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hairy Belly on 30/12/2010 13:34:53 Thanks for posting guys, and for the speculations of my surf habits and pro tips on how I should be sufing. Though most of you don't seem to get what I meant by making the thread at all. For a moment there I almost regret making this thread to start with, but since I did I want to see it through.
Originally by: KaarBaak AFAIK, owning/running an RMT business is not illegal (in my country). Surely it's a violation of EULA and ToS, and CCP is within it's rights to enforce it's rules by banning accounts, &etc and not allowing participants to play their game. But advertising a legal business is legal.
If you have a problem with such ads, your derision should be directed at the website owner/manager or stop patronizing their site altogether.
Regardless, CCP has little jurisdiction over the issue.
Yes I have a problem with such ads, and seeing all the commotion about macroers and bots I'd like to say we all here should have a problem with such ads.
I'm not out to get any site owner in trouble, after all these sites are in many cases essential tools for us that play Eve. And I want them to be able to make a profit from ads and/or donations so that they can continue keeping these sites alive. But surely there has to be options on what kind of ads you as a site owner want to show?
That said, it sure would be nice to have a CCP response to this thread and an answer to my original question.
So am I way out on a limb totally wrong here?
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leich
Amarr bish bash bosh
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Posted - 2010.12.30 14:02:00 -
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Are these sites and adverts not illegal as they break the EULA?
And therefore cant CCP take the sites hosting these to court over the advertising an ilegal service.
Just like if someone were advertise the sale of Bootleg DVDs through torrents ect.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.12.30 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ghanur Niemandzoon
And that is why all people should use Firefox with adblock plus, noscript, better privacy (clears everything flashy) and ghostery (to stop third-party tracing scripts) - the internet will be a much safer place now ;)
hahaha lets download a load of adware and malware to eliminate the ad ware and malware we already have.
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2010.12.30 14:41:00 -
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For those of you looking to protect your sites from such things, there is a page on the Evelopedia regarding Adsense which concerns ads from sites prone to EULA violations. Hope this helps!
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2010.12.30 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: leich Are these sites and adverts not illegal as they break the EULA?
No. Violating a EULA is not against the law (in most countries). Advertising for something that violates a EULA is even further distanced from any sort of legal enforcement.
Quote: And therefore cant CCP take the sites hosting these to court over the advertising an ilegal service.
CCPs jurisdiction starts and ends with their software with these ads/products. Copyright infringement, &etc is a whole different can of worms (see the thread in which CCP kills an iPhone app that charges .99 for a service that CCP has failed to provide).
Quote: Just like if someone were advertise the sale of Bootleg DVDs through torrents ect.
If the sites were selling CCP copyrighted material, there may likely be a legal issue. But selling an RMT service is certainly not. Selling macro software (that does not in itself include copyrighted material) that futzes with CCPs code enters into yet another can of legal worms.
Originally by: Hairy Belly Yes I have a problem with such ads, and seeing all the commotion about macroers and bots I'd like to say we all here should have a problem with such ads.
I'm not out to get any site owner in trouble, after all these sites are in many cases essential tools for us that play Eve. And I want them to be able to make a profit from ads and/or donations so that they can continue keeping these sites alive. But surely there has to be options on what kind of ads you as a site owner want to show?
Which is why I said your complaint should be taken up with the site owners, not CCP. I have seen RMT ads rotate on /C's eve-search page periodically and I've dropped a note to him and he responded.
There are ways to manage adspace on a website. Lazy authors claim there isn't, or just say so in order to get more clicks. Either way, if I go to a site and see such ads, I notify the webpage author/manager. If I see it again, I drop the site/blog out of my rotation.
KB
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2010.12.30 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: leich Are these sites and adverts not illegal as they break the EULA?
And therefore cant CCP take the sites hosting these to court over the advertising an ilegal service.
Just like if someone were advertise the sale of Bootleg DVDs through torrents ect.
You, sir, do not understand the difference between a violation of a private agreement (the EULA) and an illegal activity. CCP is not a government and therefore cannot make laws.
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Hairy Belly
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Posted - 2010.12.31 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP StevieSG For those of you looking to protect your sites from such things, there is a page on the Evelopedia regarding Adsense which concerns ads from sites prone to EULA violations. Hope this helps!
Originally by: KaarBaak There are ways to manage adspace on a website. Lazy authors claim there isn't, or just say so in order to get more clicks. Either way, if I go to a site and see such ads, I notify the webpage author/manager. If I see it again, I drop the site/blog out of my rotation.
Thanks guys for that useful info. I guess if we all did what KaarBaak does, those ads could be dealt with much sooner. Like dischordia mentioned, Ads by Google is most common to display bad ads from what I've seen so far.
Perhaps someone should make a thread where we can post "bad ads observations" or something, just a thought.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2010.12.31 11:27:00 -
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Welcome to the world of MMOs and RMT.
Every single game out there has gold, isk, gil, foozbang or whatever sellers.
Even Rift, which is still in Beta and invite only (although they are handing out beta accounts like candy of late) has gold sellers and power leveling services you can find with ease.
Best you can do is to minimise their ability to advertise by blocking domains in adsense as suggested.
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