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Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:19:00 -
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a specific name for laser types would be okay, but it musn't be used on another weapon type.
i remember that meta4 hybrid and meta3 projo (or the opposite) had the same name, while not of the same meta... and you talked about this happening between hybrid and laser on your first post so please, avoid that.
the laser name should tell us easily what size it has, what tier it is, and what meta level it is. |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
205
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Posted - 2012.08.25 00:03:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:Gibbo3771 wrote:Fixing things that are not broke again. Medium Pulse Laser II What size is it? Is it small or medium sized? Try explaining that logic to new players.
Trying explain anything about this game to a new player.
Sooner we weed out the retards sooner we can have a game where more than 5% of the players can actually fit a ship properly.
Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Marcus Gideon
Federal Defense Operations Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
24
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Posted - 2012.08.25 03:06:00 -
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I've been annoyed with the naming scheme since Day 1.
Small repper, small nos, small ammo... MEDIUM laser? |
Zenos Ebeth
Universal Might
44
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Posted - 2012.08.25 13:16:00 -
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Marcus Gideon wrote:I've been annoyed with the naming scheme since Day 1.
Small repper, small nos, small ammo... MEDIUM laser?
This , it's very confusing for new players that one of the small pulse lasers is called MEDIUM pulse laser. Seriously , how did no one at ccp notice that before ? |
Emperor Ryan
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
37
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Posted - 2012.08.26 08:56:00 -
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Obviously The lasers are inperticualy confusions since you start with medium lasers by name which are small and some spellings needs correcting.
Though as an old vet it seems that you guys are simplifying things to a point where your removing all those nice little names you gave mods to make them 'have there own style' i will have to admit that if the future idea is to make Everything
Upgraded Limited Experimental Prototype
It does simplify things, but for people who bother to check stats either in game or using the multiple out of game tools, everyone knows the meta levels of said names.
And you'd kill some of the old Favorited like the PWNAGE among other just well named mods considering the vast amount of mods in the game
Just my 2cents
Fixing spelling though i would agree kinda needs to be done by now - even rookies learn fast how the system works.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
27
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Posted - 2012.08.26 12:29:00 -
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I have always liked the fact that there are small pulse lasers that are called medium pulse lasers..
Thats not the slightest bit confusing :P |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
80
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:28:00 -
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Large Asymmetric Barrier Transpositioner I is epic name touch that and il find you..oh lazors..don't care..oops. |
Sudelle
Sixty-Three
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Posted - 2012.08.28 19:33:00 -
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Seems like the discussion is or has run out of steam. Just curious if you have had your internal meeting about this yet, FoxFour? And if any other ideas were rattled around because of the meeting...? |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
437
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Posted - 2012.08.29 13:38:00 -
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Sudelle wrote:Seems like the discussion is or has run out of steam. Just curious if you have had your internal meeting about this yet, FoxFour? And if any other ideas were rattled around because of the meeting...?
Sorry, really busy wrapping up the end of this sprint. For now we are going to rename a few of the lasers, Medium Pulse Laser for example, to remove the confusion about what size it is.
We did have some meetings internally and we are unwilling to move forward with any mass renaming until we have a naming convention that is solid and we can apply to everything. This is not something we want to rush, it is something we want to talk about a lot and get right. To be honest we will never be able to come up with something that makes everyone happy, but again we need to be confident in it ourselves, it needs to be robust enough to be expanded upon when we add new stuff, and it needs to get to all modules and not be started and forgotten about after touching only a fraction of the modules.
So for now, only a few small changes to be made. :) Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.29 14:48:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Sudelle wrote:Seems like the discussion is or has run out of steam. Just curious if you have had your internal meeting about this yet, FoxFour? And if any other ideas were rattled around because of the meeting...? Sorry, really busy wrapping up the end of this sprint. For now we are going to rename a few of the lasers, Medium Pulse Laser for example, to remove the confusion about what size it is. We did have some meetings internally and we are unwilling to move forward with any mass renaming until we have a naming convention that is solid and we can apply to everything. This is not something we want to rush, it is something we want to talk about a lot and get right. To be honest we will never be able to come up with something that makes everyone happy, but again we need to be confident in it ourselves, it needs to be robust enough to be expanded upon when we add new stuff, and it needs to get to all modules and not be started and forgotten about after touching only a fraction of the modules. So for now, only a few small changes to be made. :)
I liked your GPSL-01, kind of thing. Keep working in that direction!
I'll try and come up with some more useful ideas for you meanwhile.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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Murashu
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:16:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: We did have some meetings internally and we are unwilling to move forward with any mass renaming until we have a naming convention that is solid and we can apply to everything. This is not something we want to rush, it is something we want to talk about a lot and get right. To be honest we will never be able to come up with something that makes everyone happy, but again we need to be confident in it ourselves, it needs to be robust enough to be expanded upon when we add new stuff, and it needs to get to all modules and not be started and forgotten about after touching only a fraction of the modules.
So for now, only a few small changes to be made. :)
That is great news. Please focus more on creating a naming convention that makes sense the first time (or in this case 2nd or 3rd try) and I believe you will end up with happier players. |
Axl Borlara
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:21:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: So for now, only a few small changes to be made.
Is it possible to get the meta number shown in the corner of item icons, in a similar way T2 and Faction appear? If so, soon? |
PinkKnife
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
199
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:42:00 -
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As long as we can keep the medium term away from small turrets, the rest of the naming stuff can wait, that should be solved at least because it is confusing. |
Kosetzu
Avitus Lugus
11
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Posted - 2012.08.29 20:25:00 -
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I think it would be really nice if all items could get the meta level in the corner like we have with faction/T2/officer/deadspace/storyline. Might be possible to use one of the other corners for it?
Not sure if this would look good with the meta 10+ though... or even having multiple corners with info.
I do hope we will never get watts or something boring like that for module names though... I enjoy the variety in names for my projectiles, and I don't want to loose that flavor when I start flying with lasers again either. As they are now I agree that is is impossible to discern what you want for your ship unless you've learned them by heart.
People will always dislike change so even with the negative feedback you get from some people I hope you keep on improving these things! |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
175
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Posted - 2012.08.30 19:18:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:[quote=Sudelle] We did have some meetings internally and we are unwilling to move forward with any mass renaming until we have a naming convention that is solid and we can apply to everything.
Still with the "apply to everything" bit. This is bad. Keep weapons, at least, tied to racial properties. Eve is cool in part because it's otherworldy. Keep that otherworldy in and don't homogenize weapons. I want Amarr people to be ashamed for fitting clunky, mechanical, jury-rigged guns to their ships. I want to feel in-character pride for my races clear technological refinement and superiority.
It would not be hard to do this racially; either with a number designation, a per-race naming scheme, or a UI solution that leaves you free to name them anything you want. Just don't flatten the racial qualities of racial weapon types. There's been a lot of great, Amarr-specific suggestions in this thread. I assume this means that this general idea is widely shared even though it's only been stated explicity a couple times. So posters, please comment on if you want racial differentiation or not. If a majority want the flat system, I'll stop complaining.
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Sudelle
Sixty-Three
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Posted - 2012.08.30 22:07:00 -
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Ines Tegator wrote: So posters, please comment on if you want racial differentiation or not. If a majority want the flat system, I'll stop complaining.
I don't want to go into too much of what was already said, so I'll just answer your request for comment.
Yes I would prefer racial differentiation in meta naming instead of a flat across the board naming convention applied to everything. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.31 00:00:00 -
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While a cross weapon naming convention may seem like a good idea, take a lesson from the Universal Inventory.
You are on the wrong path.
It waters down the game and makes it less interesting. One company may make the GSCF-1 and the GSCF-2 but would every company? or would they have different names for their products?
For the purposes of searches and learning, i would prefer that each meta term be secondary to the flavor name of the turret itself. and that flavor name be different for each type of weapon system. but the same across each variation of system
IE this is the current scheme, in meta order 1-4 Blasters. regulated, limited, anode, modal Railguns. Carbide, Scout, Compressed, prototype
Artillery. Carbine, Gallium, Prototype, scout Autocannons. Carbine, Gallium, Prototype, Scout
Beam. Afocal, Modal, Anode, Modulated Pulse. Afocal, Modal, Anode, Modulated { Launchers are different in that they also have naming convention nonsense happening, and should be aligned, but not with turret systems.} With the names, Anode, modal, scout and prototype all being used for different meta levels.
I propose meta 1-4 Hybrids. Limited, Scout, Carbide, Regulated Projectiles. Prototype, Compressed, Carbine, Gallium Lasers, Afocal, Modal, Anode, Modulated
Which i know will draw issues form people (like me) who have long since memorized the names of the higher meta weapons.
also an issue i see is the cross use of the words beam, maser and laser on some of the laser weapons. and medium and heavy for the same set of weapons. Specifically for the laser weapons, I propose, (medium sized weapons) Heavy Afocal Beam Laser & Heavy Afocal Pulse Laser as opposed to the current Heavy Afocal Maser I & Heavy Afocal Pulse Maser I
(small sized weapons) Small Afocal Beam Laser & Small Afocal Pulse Laser as opposed to the current Medium Afocal Maser I & Medium Afocal Pulse Maser I
For the tier within in the sizes, (lasers, beams) there is actually, several different types that are shared between the small medium and large classes,
the light, the medium, Focused medium, heavy, mega and tachyon.
Small - Gatling, Dual light, medium Medium - Quad Light, Focused Medium, Heavy Large - Dual heavy, Mega, Tachyon
I see this as a bigger issue the the cross use of meta names on different turret systems, or modules in general. It is only the use of the "Light" turret type, (dual light and quad light) that throws off the normal naming convention that is present in all other turrets.
Swap the name and animations of Dual lights and medium (small turrets) Change the name of "Medium" to "Light" Change the name of "Focused Medium" to "Medium" (medium turrets) Problem solved.
I felt that i had to post this again as it seems to have been glossed over before. Do not over step your reach, sometimes it is ok to take small steps. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Ships to goo calc - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107898 |
Elisa Fir
Luminoctis
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Posted - 2012.08.31 06:39:00 -
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I arrive a bit late at the discussion, but still would like to add my 0.02 ISK.
To me, there is no 'naming issue' instead, there is a 'sorting issue'. If, in the variations tab, the modules would be sorted by meta level, instead of name, the whole which module is what meta level issue would be solved.
so, simple solution:
sort the modules, listed in the variations tab of the info dialog, by meta level.
problem solved.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.09.02 07:21:00 -
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Elisa Fir wrote:so, simple solution:
sort the modules, in the variations tab, by meta level.
Agreed. Whenever looking at a pile of modules and wanting to pull my dreads out I just click "Compare" and then "Meta Level." That tells me everything that I really need to know right there.
Heck we can even make this simpler:
You make a basic Meta 1 item, that's a Thingy 1.0
Meta 2? Thingy 1.2
Meta 3? Thingy 1.5
Meta 4? Thingy 1.7
Got a T2/Meta 5 blueprint? Build yourself a Thingy 2.0 |
Mattadore
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
11
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Posted - 2012.09.03 02:20:00 -
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I'm not reading past the 1st post...
Why in the flying f u c k would "Limited" be better than "Upgraded"? If something is "Limited," it is limited in it's abilities. It may be better than the basic Tech 1, but it's still limited. "Upgraded" implies there have been upgrades to the previous version. Hence upgrading the limited version makes sense.
For the 1MN MWD, I would FULLY expect the Upgraded mwd to be better than the Limited MWD. Wtf is limited for? Limited edition? **** that I want the upgraded one. Upgraded is better, faster, more powerful, more efficient, more cost effective etc etc...
F u c k you ******** Icelandic dumb fucks for stupid **** like this. F u c k you.
lulz it blocked out r e t a r d e d |
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Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:21:00 -
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Mattadore wrote:I'm not reading past the 1st post...
Why in the flying f u c k would "Limited" be better than "Upgraded"? If something is "Limited," it is limited in it's abilities. It may be better than the basic Tech 1, but it's still limited. "Upgraded" implies there have been upgrades to the previous version. Hence upgrading the limited version makes sense.
For the 1MN MWD, I would FULLY expect the Upgraded mwd to be better than the Limited MWD. Wtf is limited for? Limited edition? **** that I want the upgraded one. Upgraded is better, faster, more powerful, more efficient, more cost effective etc etc...
F u c k you ******** Icelandic dumb fucks for stupid **** like this. F u c k you.
lulz it blocked out r e t a r d e d
Please don't post ever again. The profanity filter is in place so people don't have to read things they find offensive. Just type you're ******* profanities and let the filter do its job. Most people here will be able to figure out what you meant if they care enough. |
Mattadore
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
11
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Posted - 2012.09.03 04:39:00 -
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lol blow me |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2012.09.03 06:32:00 -
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good job bricksquad guy. thanks for the input. we are all so very proud of you. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:21:00 -
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I like a lot!
...now if only amarr ships could fit their proper sized turret instead of so many having to undersized. ;) |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
445
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:57:00 -
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Sorry I have not been active in the discussion. I was out off the office at PAX and unable to participate in this discussion. I am back now though. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:32:00 -
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and nobody thinks that Strobe would be a better name for rapid firing lasers ? sheesh...
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
449
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:49:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:and nobody thinks that Strobe would be a better name for rapid firing lasers ? sheesh...
hahaha don't worry, plenty of time left to beat... I mean convince others of what name is best. As it stands for the winter release I am only renaming two lasers:
Medium Pulse Laser -> Small Focused Pulse Laser Medium Beam laser -> Small Focused Beam Laser
Along with their named versions as well of course. I am still working to see if I can come up with a naming convention that will work for everything. Until that comes though I will still be working on fixing some smaller issues like these medium lasers that are small or the faction missiles that were being stupid. :) Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:55:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Nova Fox wrote:and nobody thinks that Strobe would be a better name for rapid firing lasers ? sheesh... hahaha don't worry, plenty of time left to beat... I mean convince others of what name is best. As it stands for the winter release I am only renaming two lasers: Medium Pulse Laser -> Small Focused Pulse Laser Medium Beam laser -> Small Focused Beam Laser Along with their named versions as well of course. I am still working to see if I can come up with a naming convention that will work for everything. Until that comes though I will still be working on fixing some smaller issues like these medium lasers that are small or the faction missiles that were being stupid. :)
Perhaps you could rebalance scorch whilst you're there it adds way too much range and lower the pg too? |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
450
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:04:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Nova Fox wrote:and nobody thinks that Strobe would be a better name for rapid firing lasers ? sheesh... hahaha don't worry, plenty of time left to beat... I mean convince others of what name is best. As it stands for the winter release I am only renaming two lasers: Medium Pulse Laser -> Small Focused Pulse Laser Medium Beam laser -> Small Focused Beam Laser Along with their named versions as well of course. I am still working to see if I can come up with a naming convention that will work for everything. Until that comes though I will still be working on fixing some smaller issues like these medium lasers that are small or the faction missiles that were being stupid. :) Perhaps you could rebalance scorch whilst you're there it adds way too much range and lower the pg too?
Balance is something to poke CCP Fozzie about. You can find him in many places on the forum, like the Ideas section, along with on twitter. :) Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
13
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:36:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Harvey James wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Nova Fox wrote:and nobody thinks that Strobe would be a better name for rapid firing lasers ? sheesh... hahaha don't worry, plenty of time left to beat... I mean convince others of what name is best. As it stands for the winter release I am only renaming two lasers: Medium Pulse Laser -> Small Focused Pulse Laser Medium Beam laser -> Small Focused Beam Laser Along with their named versions as well of course. I am still working to see if I can come up with a naming convention that will work for everything. Until that comes though I will still be working on fixing some smaller issues like these medium lasers that are small or the faction missiles that were being stupid. :) Perhaps you could rebalance scorch whilst you're there it adds way too much range and lower the pg too? Balance is something to poke CCP Fozzie about. You can find him in many places on the forum, like the Ideas section, along with on twitter. :)
He seems to ignore me very often he makes me cry |
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