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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:02:00 -
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Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
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JonnyRandom
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:04:00 -
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Why does minesweeper have no PvP? It appears to be no place for PvP gamers. Even when asking around everyone seems to feel like it is only a pve game. It seems handicapped for people wanting to play pvp. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
365
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:10:00 -
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If you want a game where you can do carebearing PvE stuff without risk, EVE is not the game you're looking for.
Anything in EVE comes with a risk. Live, learn and adapt and you might like it. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
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ISD Etetia
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:23:00 -
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Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion ISD Etetia Commander ISD STAR |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:25:00 -
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thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves |
MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:26:00 -
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I am not sure that putting this post in here was wise inb4 all the trolls |
Whadafool
Universal Might
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:27:00 -
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well eve is a pvp game, always has and always will be!
and soloing pve isnt hard at all, esp with an alt.
just got to ask your self though, why do you want to pve? for me its to make isk to enable pvp Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:29:00 -
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There are places in EVE where you can go literally days without seeing another player in-game. You can do whatever you want: run missions, mine, explore, whatever. All you have to do is bring up the galactic map, find out where the majority of fighting is going on, and head in the opposite direction.
Even can be as PVE or PVP as you want it to be. Yes, there is a risk that some ganker or can-flipper or loot ninja will come along and bother you, but it's easy to avoid for the most part.
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Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:31:00 -
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Pip, its because of the design of EVE. its designed to be a 'real' universe...where anything can happen. Yes some may cause you dismay at not being able to do whatever you may be doing, but that is 'life' and that is how EVE is intended to be. You can always pay,hire,recruit etc someone to get rid of the players that are hindering you. |
Remnant Madeveda
Void Mongers
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:38:00 -
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1/10 troll not even funny really.
Everyone that plays eve, new people, old bitter vets, and hell even the botting miners understand eve is pvp. The market is completely player run therby pvp. The missions and such are pve until another player wants to scan you down then it's pvp. All in all eve is Everyone vs Everyone. |
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Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:41:00 -
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ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves
Remnant Madeveda wrote:1/10 troll not even funny really.
Everyone that plays eve, new people, old bitter vets, and hell even the botting miners understand eve is pvp. The market is completely player run therby pvp. The missions and such are pve until another player wants to scan you down then it's pvp. All in all eve is Everyone vs Everyone.
Not empty quoting.
EDIT: If you want pure PvE only, Pip, recommend you try the test server, SiSi. |
Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:41:00 -
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I was there. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:43:00 -
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I am here |
Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:43:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves
You mean none?
I have been reviewing replies to another post I had along the same line.
Some are helpful and some are scathing.
I would have to say I now understand EVE is not in anyway a PvE game. It is entirely PvP. It may have PvE elements, and this may be why so many seem to confuse the two, but from the replies and posts I have seen, EVE is PvP.
I am sorry if I have wasted anyone's time with this question. If anyone develops a game similar to EVE that supports PvE players, please let me know. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games.
Jim Era wrote:Pip, its because of the design of EVE. its designed to be a 'real' universe...where anything can happen. Yes some may cause you dismay at not being able to do whatever you may be doing, but that is 'life' and that is how EVE is intended to be. You can always pay,hire,recruit etc someone to get rid of the players that are hindering you.
The game includes elements which would seem to control or limit abuse, but they are not enforced. I was laughed at when I placed a bounty on a PvP player who had just blown away my ship. I and a friend were later both blown away by another player with a higher security rating than many other players I have met, and so I could not even place a bounty on him. There are no controls.
As you say, it is a 'real' universe, and so the lowest common denominator always shows up to take it out on everyone else, but without a true layer of consequence or consistency, it simply becomes anarchy.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:43:00 -
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This simply is not a solo PvE game.
Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP. |
Whadafool
Universal Might
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:46:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games.
i think that's an insult good sir :P Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1044
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:46:00 -
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ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
Wait what?!
A newbie asks a question after discovering that which goes straight to the core of what EVE is, and it gets moved out of the newbie forum where it can be noticed by other newbies?
It's a coverup!
They're trying to attract fresh fish to feed the sharks by hiding what EVE is all about!
Wait, I like fish... Nevermind
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:47:00 -
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Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE.
Otherwise, I'm unclear as to the point of your post: But, I'll answer/respond to part of it.
Join a corp or don't. It is much easier and productive doing the latter.
Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency.
You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk. If you don't want to offer your service via say Red Frog or such, try networking with some small PvP or PvE groups (at a discount) -- look for people with war decs and stuff. Build a rep and move up to bigger clientele.
Otherwise, there is an alliance/corp of freelancers that run ads in the recruiting section (I forget the name). I'm not sure how useful it is but you may be able to get tips there.
Read the Eve Isk Guide http://www.isktheguide.com/ and check out Sci/Indy for additional useful information.
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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:47:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:This simply is not a solo PvE game.
Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP.
MMOs are not just for PvP, they also are for games with cooperative play. Most MMOs supporting PvE encourage and support cooperative play. In a PvP environment with no controls, you cannot play that way. It is always PvP. I was just looking for the other style of gameplay. EVE does not provide it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9084
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:49:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? Because it's the kind of game and target audience the devs are after.
Quote:I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing? Not really, no. That would rather defeat the purpose of the game.
Quote:The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. Sure. So many other games have that segment covered, so there's no need for EVE to incorporate it especially since, again, it doesn't fit with the fundamental way the game works.
Try X-¦ if that's the gameplay you're after.
Quote:MMOs are not just for PvP Perhaps not in general, no, but this one is. That's why there are so many different games: to cater to different preferences and different markets. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:50:00 -
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ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
This ISD likes torture. I can only approve |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:50:00 -
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This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:51:00 -
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The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvP is to point out just how damn polarized the community is.
EVE IS PVP DEAL WITH IT is the motto essentially.
NO YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT WAY DEAL WITH IT is its translation.
I wish I could verse it better but it'd take a wall of text. Bottom line, Eve really is a mirror of the real world; people secretly enjoy screwing others over and enjoying the pain from victims. It brings out the psycho in everyone. Sure some players PvE, they want to PvE and I feel they should be left to their whims. They aren't bothering me, they aren't killing the game for me, so why should I care?
Yet we have a vocal player base so against PvE that it's almost like a pseudo form of racism. If I had to coin a term, I'd call it play-ism. They think you HAVE to play x way and can ONLY play x way. If you play y way, then you will be ridiculed and FORCED to play x way no matter what.
Honestly, you're right, there isn't support for solo PvE players and it's very sad. All the "don't play Eve if you just want PvE" to me is stupid and rude. You SHOULD be allowed to play the space game your way without some jackass interrupting your free and pleasurable time, sand box or not. Sadly, the majority of players are psychos.
My advise? Stick to highsec, stay in an NPC corp (which is NOTHING to be ashamed of, it's the smart thing to do if you just want to PvE), and keep a low profile. Do that, and you basically can do whatever the hell you want. If you wanna goto low sec and PvE eeh...different story, but there's way.
Either way, there's ways to solo PvE all day erryday, but sadly most won't support it because they don't think Eve should be played that way. Just ignore the assholes who say that and continue to play your way. You pay for this damn game, why should someone else tell YOU how to play?
EDIT: Talked about banning PVE instead of PVP ^^; |
Whadafool
Universal Might
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:52:00 -
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Anslo wrote:The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvE is to point out just how damn polarized the community is.
if you were going to do this then everything in eve would have to be made free, which imo would make eve a lot less interesting
Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |
Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:54:00 -
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Amarra Mandalin wrote:Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE.
No. It is PvP with PvE elements. EVE is not both. Other MMOs provide both. EVE does not.
Amarra Mandalin wrote:Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency.
Why?
Amarra Mandalin wrote:You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk.
Found that out the hard way. One little distracted conversation with my roommate, and half a billion ISK gone.
I just do not enjoy the stress of always looking over my shoulder. I play MMOs for social interaction and shared gameplay, not to compete with malicious and greedy players attacking weaker and less experienced players.
I just did not know what kind of game EVE was. Now I know. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:55:00 -
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PvE is a lie. There is no support for it:
I can make money on my non-isk (at war 24/7 toon) just by selling stuff to fellow corpies who lose their stuffz. Think out of the box.
Things to do in Eve http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:56:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it.
I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:00:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Amarra Mandalin wrote:Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE. No. It is PvP with PvE elements. EVE is not both. Other MMOs provide both. EVE does not. Amarra Mandalin wrote:Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency. Why? Amarra Mandalin wrote:You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk. Found that out the hard way. One little distracted conversation with my roommate, and half a billion ISK gone. I just do not enjoy the stress of always looking over my shoulder. I play MMOs for social interaction and shared gameplay, not to compete with malicious and greedy players attacking weaker and less experienced players. I just did not know what kind of game EVE was. Now I know.
Ah, Ok. yeah, Eve probably isn't for you, then.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:01:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it. I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question.
Pip, read what I said initially and don't give up. Just keep on plowing through and don't let a few elitists win by making you quit. If you don't want to PvP, don't. There's so many ways to just avoid it and do something else! Not ALWAYS, but most of the time!
Stay with us mate, and enjoy EVE! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1474
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:01:00 -
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how does a 'weaker and inexperienced player' get half a billion isk to fly around in an untanked t1 hauler? |
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