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Modahn Etch
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2011.01.04 07:37:00 -
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Other than having fun killing carebears and griefing mining barges ofc.
My name is Modahn Etch and I suggest this:
1) Carebears have it too easy 2) Pirates have no reward system in place other than LOOT and grief (which are both great)
I think pirate battleships/cruisers/frigates should ONLY be allowed to be flown by people with less than -5.0 security rating and that you need +5.0 to pilot the crappy navy battleships/cruisers/frigates.
another (on the side) suggestion:
Have a black market in lowsec and 0.0 that only -5.0 characters have access to, stuff like pirate mods and ships and crap. Carebears would have to get a toon to -5.0 to access it with an alt and therefore have to undock from Jita 4-4. Yes the carebears in question could just get an alt to -5.0 to buy the stuff, but thats the point really, they have to GET to -5.0 and they have to BUY the stuff from pirates. IDK
As long as the carebear scum have less fun, I think it should be implemented.
-Modahn "as serious as your life" Etch. Your Mothership. |
Shyoto
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Posted - 2011.01.04 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Modahn Etch As long as the carebear scum have less fun, I think it should be implemented.
-Modahn "as serious as your life" Etch.
Setting out to cause grief to a massive portion of CCP's income base? Sure, that'll go down well.
Also, NO. I think it's realistic as it is. The carebear mission runners spend all thier time breaking pirate ships down. They know what the inside of your ship looks like. They can build thier own. And we spend all our time breaking down thier Faction vessels. You know what the inside of a CNR looks like. You can build your own.
And for "pirate ships" and "crappy faction ships" Do I really need to point out the fact that, let's take the Rattlesnake for example. "In the time-honoured tradition of pirates everywhere, Korako 'Rabbit' Kosakami shamelessly stole the idea of the Scorpion-class battleship..."
They're the same damned ship at heart.
If you want to break the "rules", you pay for it. If you want to kill people with no "punishment", go live in Null-sec or W-space.
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Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.01.04 07:54:00 -
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The loot and grief are indeed great
I like the cut of your jib... /signed
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Modahn Etch
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2011.01.04 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shyoto
I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear.
Also, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear.
Originally by: Shyoto "In the time-honoured tradition of pirates everywhere, Korako 'Rabbit' Kosakami shamelessly stole the idea of the Scorpion-class battleship..."
PIRATES EVERYWHERE!
Originally by: Shyoto They're the same damned ship at heart.
So whats the problem then? If they're the same thing (like you suggest) then the carebears won't mind us having them!
Originally by: Shyoto "If you want to break the "rules", you pay for it. If you want to kill people with no "punishment", go live in Null-sec or W-space."
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I didn't say "no punishment" I said "reward".
Your Mothership. |
Nuts Nougat
SniggWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.01.04 08:01:00 -
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Signed. Pirate ships for pirates! ---
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Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
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Posted - 2011.01.04 08:13:00 -
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I do see some merit in the idea, though I don't think pirates need rewards per say.
However, I would like some alternate 'rules' in Pirate NPC regions, where pirates defend their friends (low sec status,high respect) and actively aggress their enemies (sleeper-esque ships actively hunting on men of high moral fiber - and yes, I'm actually one myself)
In combination with that, people destroying ships with high standings to any faction should get a decrease in their standings with that faction and increase in rivalling factions.
The black market could be considered already there as LP stores in pirate 0.0.
Meh, effort. ---
Creator of the Eve Character Appraiser/Assembler: http://gemblog.nl/skill/ http://gemblog.nl/assembler/
Originally by: De'Veldrin Welcome to the ****ing sandbox
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Shyoto
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Posted - 2011.01.04 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Modahn Etch
Originally by: Shyoto
I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear.
Also, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear, I'm a carebear.
Sir! I take Offence! http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Shyoto#kills
And again, Greifing is its own reward, and is more than enough to cover your lifestyle choice.
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Asian Salad
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:00:00 -
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+100
(I represent a 100 man army)
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:17:00 -
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Actually an interesting suggestion, part of it anyway.
Requiring a person to be an outlaw in order to fly the pirate hulls makes RP sense and could help balance it out some .. no more fleets of bored +3.0 null-sec carebear Machariels proving their leet PvP skills by popping solitary targets on gates/stations in low-sec. Would need to exempt null-sec as Concord has no presence there at all ..
As for Navy vessels, Concord has no influence over the empires so tying security status to it makes no sense. Could tie faction standing to it but it would affect a lot more people as navy hulls are quite common now that FW feeds LP into the market.
However, I am not sure basing anything on a number that can be acquired in a few minutes (smartbombing high-low gate anyone?) is a good thing without first revising that mechanic.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:49:00 -
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Just give us pirate gates bridging all lowsec pockets and then only have people with either GCC or sec status below -5 able to use them.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:50:00 -
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black market doesn't happen in low-sec areas. it happens in high-sec. the whole point is that high security drives illegal market into hiding.
in low-sec you would get open markets of any kind.
tho, would be interesting to make pirate ships illegal items :)
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2011.01.04 12:16:00 -
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+1, simply because there'd be less Dramiels and Cynabals.
But, seriously, no. However, it would be interesting if a lower sec status could have some benefits.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Horizonist on 04/01/2011 12:57:02 Eve is what you make it. Carebears have it too easy? Heh, first nerf suiganks, then we can talk about carebears having it "too easy". As it is, things are fine.
And no, there is no reason people with high sec status should not be able to fly pirate ships. Why? Because they are nothing but ships. They do not ask your credentials before letting you undock them. They are machines, simple as that. There would be no valid RP reason to restrict them.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.01.04 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Modahn Etch 1) Carebears have it too easy
That's because missions are too easy and large parts of 0.0 are NAP'ed. Not because you're not allowed to shoot them -.-
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Modahn Etch
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2011.01.04 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Actually an interesting suggestion, part of it anyway. However, I am not sure basing anything on a number that can be acquired in a few minutes (smartbombing high-low gate anyone?) is a good thing without first revising that mechanic.
I'd settle for forcing carebears to grief other players. Your Mothership. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.01.04 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Horizonist ... They do not ask your credentials before letting you undock them. They are machines, simple as that. There would be no valid RP reason to restrict them ...
Pirate hulls and to a lesser degree naval hulls differ from what is available to the masses in that they are more powerful .. the more powerful is quite commonly regulated.
Operatators license for heavy machinery, Drivers license's, Gun permits, Hunting license etc. Don't worry about the RP aspect, it is very easily covered when it comes to weapons of war in a universe that is driven by war
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.01.04 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/01/2011 17:44:03
Originally by: Horizonist Edited by: Horizonist on 04/01/2011 12:57:02 Eve is what you make it. Carebears have it too easy? Heh, first nerf suiganks, then we can talk about carebears having it "too easy". As it is, things are fine.
And no, there is no reason people with high sec status should not be able to fly pirate ships. Why? Because they are nothing but ships. They do not ask your credentials before letting you undock them. They are machines, simple as that. There would be no valid RP reason to restrict them.
Is CONCORD RP enough?
CONCORD: "Any pilot seen in a pirate faction ship will automatically be set to -5.0 security status, unless their security status is already lower."
This would apply anywhere that CONCORD jurisdiction holds. This obviously includes nullsec, where CONCORD manages gates and sovereignty and sees fit to award sec status increases for law enforcement, but not WH space, where there is no CONCORD presence at all.
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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 18:01:00 -
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+1 Signed!
-5.0 for boarding a pirate ship
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Ed Zidane
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:03:00 -
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I endorse this product and/or service.
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Ephemeron
The Dirty Dozen
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:38:00 -
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EVE would certainly be a much more interesting game if there was such a thing as a black market, only accessible from low sec. If all the pirate faction modified mods and ships could only be sold there and taken to high sec at risk of Customs attacking and confiscating.
Things would be more complex and exciting.
However, it's too late for such changes. This type of thing should have been done in first year of release (before faction stuff got introduced) or not at all. Truly a missed potential. |
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Skex Relbore on 04/01/2011 22:43:21 Don't you think such a change might **** off a few -5 sec status people who like selling pirate ships to hi-sec denizens?
Little lessen in supply and demand. If you limit the market to only a small segment of the population you are going to reduce the demand for said product. If that happens then prices go down reducing margin on top of that since fewer units are moving resulting in lower overall profits (lower margins + lower volume = less mulla in da pocket).
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 23:05:00 -
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Despite of all the pirate clamoring, people fail to grasp that without PvE there can be no PvP, for lack of sufficient income.
Besides, as long as Concord subsidized suicide ganking still exists, 'pirates' shouldn't be complaining about certain professions being too easy.
-1 --
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Bronya Boga
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.05 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Modahn Etch
My name is Modahn Etch and I suggest this:
1) Carebears have it too easy 2) Pirates have no reward system in place other than LOOT and grief (which are both great)
those arent suggestions....but the idea would be terrifying since navy < pirate ships
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Manc
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2011.01.06 10:48:00 -
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Best thread. Manc |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.06 10:55:00 -
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Quote: I think pirate battleships/cruisers/frigates should ONLY be allowed to be flown by people with less than -5.0 security rating and that you need +5.0 to pilot the crappy navy battleships/cruisers/frigates.
Should i really explain that it isnt really fair that you need halfway down to get pirate ships, and completely up for faction navy ships? Then it should be +2.5.
Anyway good idea, however lets add a more logical requirement. You need at least +5 standing to at least one corp that has the ship in their LP shop. So for navy mega +5 to fed navy will do. For your sansha ships +5 to true creations will do. Sounds perfectly fair to me. Sure slight consequence is that 99% of the pirates wont be able to get pirate ships while getting empire faction ships wont be too hard, ah well, too bad for the pirates.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.01.06 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer ... Sounds perfectly fair to me. Sure slight consequence is that 99% of the pirates wont be able to get pirate ships while getting empire faction ships wont be too hard, ah well, too bad for the pirates.
Could be done by a pirate corporation aligning itself with a pirate faction and getting a boost to standings. Similar to what was done when in Delve back in the day when Blood Raiders were given sovereignty there.
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Wiki Leaks
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Posted - 2011.01.06 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Atari +1 Signed!
-5.0 for boarding a pirate ship
While I would very much like to disagree, I have to agree. Pirate Ships shouldn't be allowed in hisec, no matter who is flying them.
I'd probably go -pirate to keep my ashimmu & Blag.
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2011.01.06 12:42:00 -
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I have to agree with the part that being -10 should have its profits too I could think of some kind of sov mechanic that works with the average sec status of all corp/alliance members after a certain corp/alliance is very active in a system over the curse of say a month or so i.e. more than 50% of the people in a system are of the same alliance the local population would get 'scared' and you could for example set your flag to the system i.e. 'this system is under the control of 'enter corp/alliance here' or set taxes to the local market so normal sellers would have to pay to the pirate alliance of curse that alliance would have to have a majority of -5 or lower people
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Ydyp Ieva
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.01.06 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ydyp Ieva on 06/01/2011 13:04:47 Eve was never about limiting ships to standings or security status, but only bound by skills. A minmatar can fly amarr ships without any problem, as well can a caldari fly gallente ships. So why should pirate faction ships be any different?
And living as an outlaw is a choice you have, and it has it's consequences you have to take with it. As you have with every other choice in the game.
Oh and you already got your perk: you can be shot be anyone without them getting gcc. ---------------------------------- None of yet! |
Wiki Leaks
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ydyp Ieva Eve was never about
So what? It was never about Farmville before PI and it was never about Wormholes, Carriers, Tengus or Invention. Until those things came along.
It's common to use defense of a Status Quo as a counter argument to a change, but not necessarily reasonable or helpful.
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