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htmlord
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Posted - 2005.01.20 04:08:00 -
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Okay, I have to preface this with this : while I'm not exactly a noob, I've only been playing for about a month and a half. I've got a pretty good idea how the system works, though any assumptions I have made or will make could very well be way off.
Here's my problem:
I was chatting with someone about tactics and numbers, and he made the claim that 4 Battlecruisers and a Blackbird in EW support -might- be able to beat a tanked battleship. My question to the forum is what kind of odds you'd put on this, assuming player skills, tactics, and loadouts being roughly equal? If its stacked in favor of one side, then either add or take away forces from one side to make the odds roughly even.
My thoughts on the matter is that numbers trump size, but that tactics, skills and loadout trump numbers. His point was on the relative worthlessness of the battlecruiser class, that is, that anything 4 battlecruisers can do, 4 cruisers outfitted similarly can do just about as well. Your thoughts?
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.01.20 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 20/01/2005 07:07:02 In my corp combat training 4 cruisers could not break my shields, 1 scorpion battleship solo could not break my shields. We didnÆt test 4 battlecruiser but I would be surprised if they failed to break my shields. So no 4 cruiser cannot do everything 4 battlecruiser can. Battlecruisers have that extra firepower and resistance.
ôMy thoughts on the matter is that numbers trump size, but that tactics, skills and loadout trump numbers.ö I pretty much agree on that. Number tend to win but tactics and skills can make the person out number win. Take a look at wars the people with the most ships donÆt always win.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.01.20 07:19:00 -
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I would bet that 4 well set up frigs could take down a tanked BS. Actually I'm sure of it as we did it with 4 frigs just recently.
Mind you I think I was the rookie in the group with 10 mill sp. And I assume we all had great set ups on. But 4 cruisers, who know what thier doing should be able to kill him...
However, I would much rather deal with 4 cruisers then 4 frigs. Cruisers I can hit well enough with large guns and drones. Frigs would just circle me untill I died. So if your BS pilot had gun on and was fighting back it might be a differant story. If the BS was a raven, no chance of any 4 smaller ships killing it.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.01.20 07:21:00 -
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Just noticed that thier was a BB for support.
Then yes definatly 4 cruisers could take down a BS.
Though they might actualyl have to warp out from a raven spamming fof's
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Kashre
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Posted - 2005.01.20 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth Just noticed that thier was a BB for support.
Then yes definatly 4 cruisers could take down a BS.
Though they might actualyl have to warp out from a raven spamming fof's
AS long as the BB kept the BS jammed and they had some NOS to kill its cap then yeah, Id say 4 BCs could pretty easily kill a tanked battleship.
Without nos, Im not sure though... battlecruisers have more firepower than cruisers, but not by THAT much cause they're bonuses are more or less defensive. +++
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.01.20 08:14:00 -
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yep. saw 4 frigates and a bb tank down a 'tanked' BS not so long ago.
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htmlord
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Posted - 2005.01.20 08:26:00 -
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Thanks for the posts, guys. Pretty much what I thought, but as I said, I'm still pretty new at this, so my rationale was merely theoretical, now that I know it's been done, I know it can be done. Thanks a lot! |
Lafiele
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Posted - 2005.01.20 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Lafiele on 20/01/2005 11:54:40 Edited, thought it was cruisers.... Sure 4 BC can with ease take a BS
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/01/2005 11:47:17
hello
4 BC's and a BB with ecm and scramblers ?
If the pilots in those BC's are any good I don't need to hear more. They will ftwpwn the battleship in no time.
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Loka
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:03:00 -
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agree ...
3 Thorax will already wtfpwn any BS without a large Smartbomb.
Raven may have a chance, but any other large turret user will have difficult times hitting cruiser below 10km. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:23:00 -
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I would be very surprised to see the BS survive that.
Originally by: htmlord
My thoughts on the matter is that numbers trump size, but that tactics, skills and loadout trump numbers. His point was on the relative worthlessness of the battlecruiser class, that is, that anything 4 battlecruisers can do, 4 cruisers outfitted similarly can do just about as well. Your thoughts?
numbers trump size : yes, but depending on the circumstances skills and loadout trump numbers : depends on the circumstances, but that could very well be the case
Battlecruisers are more useful than cruisers. They aren't any ³bermonsterkilleverythingin3seconds ships, but still better than cruisers.
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