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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:24:00 -
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After a lengthy discussion with Arancia Detto I have decided to form Trans Gamers of EvE, a community for anybody who identifies as Trans. Just as WGoE has and will continue to provide a safe place for Women who play eve so shall the Trans Gamers of Eve sister channel. The public channel will be open to all people who can show respect to others and behave in a mature, civilized fashion. The private channel will be open only to people who identify as trans and have gone through a simple interview process. Both the public and private channel will be administrated by me, I will elect moderators if the need arises. We do have some very basic rules for both channels, they are as follows.
Show respect at all times No spamming or soliciting No posting or discussing illegal content Anything else I decided to add later depending on how things go.
Below you will find the channel name as well as the official twitter page where updates and fun things to discuss will be posted. In-game Channel (Public): TGoE Official Twitter Account: TGoEvE Xenuria CSM 8 |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:27:00 -
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Uhh, good luck I guess. Hows my posting? Call 1-800-747-7633 to leave feedback. |
Adalynne Rohks
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:31:00 -
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I understand that being transgendered is rough, n'all, and it's good to have a group of people to get along with, but really...
I don't care what your gender is. |
Jim Era
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:33:00 -
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:s |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:33:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:I understand that being transgendered is rough, n'all, and it's good to have a group of people to get along with, but really...
I don't care what your gender is.
I would not have done this if there was not already significant demand for it. Xenuria CSM 8 |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:33:00 -
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I support the idea for all my trans friends.
Someone else should probably run it. |
Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition VORTEX RISING
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:36:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I support the idea for all my trans friends.
Someone else should probably run it.
+1'ing |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:36:00 -
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Only bit I'm curious about...
Is this for those who are transgendered biologically (either through choice or not) or psychologically, or would you consider these equally under the purview of this new channel?
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Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:37:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I support the idea for all my trans friends.
Someone else should probably run it. Tibs, you've got a penchant for getting me to agree with you. I'm not sure whether I should tell you to keep it up, or stop :P |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:38:00 -
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This feels like a cry for attention.
Or sounds like some guy who wanted into Wgoe wasn't allowed.
What's next, atheist vegetarians of Eve? |
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Acac Sunflyier
Eternal Phoenix Rises
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:38:00 -
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In before narrow minded troll post! There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
497
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:41:00 -
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I get the feeling that most transpeople in this game aren't exactly out. I know of at least one who isn't.
I predict this channel will be you, Jade Constantine, and a handful of others, and you'll eventually get bored with it and stop using the channel. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
598
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:51:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Only bit I'm curious about...
Is this for those who are transgendered biologically (either through choice or not) or psychologically, or would you consider these equally under the purview of this new channel?
Gender is not biological, sex is. Gender is a social construct. Xenuria CSM 8 |
Adalynne Rohks
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:52:00 -
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Well alrighty. But since we're all here, I gotsta ask...
Is there a general trans opinion on Lady Gaga? Hero? Bad example? Not related?
I swear that she's not a standardized "girl", but I couldn't really blame someone for not coming out and saying so. Rough situation to have to learn to deal with. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:52:00 -
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Moving this from General Discussion to My EVE.
Fantastic idea, by the way. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Whadafool
Universal Might
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:52:00 -
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3/10, pretty funny Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
598
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:55:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:Well alrighty. But since we're all here, I gotsta ask...
Is there a general trans opinion on Lady Gaga? Hero? Bad example? Not related?
I swear that she's not a standardized "girl", but I couldn't really blame someone for not coming out and saying so. Rough situation to have to learn to deal with.
The idea of a "standard" for how a "girl" should act or behave is something that is heavily influenced by culture and religion. Somebody from another country might think of lady gaga in one way in terms of female gender roles and somebody from yet another country or area may have a different opinion.
I do not speak for everybody, so I can not make a statement about lady gaga and claim that all trans people have the same opinion because trans is an umbrella term that encompasses a diverse group of people. Xenuria CSM 8 |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
532
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:56:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Only bit I'm curious about...
Is this for those who are transgendered biologically (either through choice or not) or psychologically, or would you consider these equally under the purview of this new channel?
Gender is not biological, sex is. Gender is a social construct.
This is false. Gender is the state of your sex, eg. male, female, or other. Gender identity can be defined yourself and your society. But gender has a definite value. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
598
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:57:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Xenuria wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Only bit I'm curious about...
Is this for those who are transgendered biologically (either through choice or not) or psychologically, or would you consider these equally under the purview of this new channel?
Gender is not biological, sex is. Gender is a social construct. This is false. Gender is the state of your sex, eg. male, female, or other. Gender identity can be defined yourself and your society. But gender has a definite value.
Incorrect.
Gender is not the same as your assigned sex, Gender is not static either. Female "gender" roles in the middle east for example are not the same as Female "gender" roles in the united states. Xenuria CSM 8 |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:02:00 -
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While I never would attend a "special" channel based on my RL person, be it gender, sexuality, social standing or whatever, I can understand why people feel the need to find other people "like them" in a virtual community like EVE... so, good luck, by all means... just make sure you know what you are doing... In my opinion, a gaming community should never be a forum to discuss or, worse consult about possible psychological conditions... that's what therapists are for.
If all you are planning to achieve is a place where transgendered people can talk about topics that concearn them besides EVE... well, I guess there will be no harm in that...
Sidenote: Beeing transgendered is NO sickness in any meaning of the word... "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
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Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:05:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:Xenuria wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Only bit I'm curious about...
Is this for those who are transgendered biologically (either through choice or not) or psychologically, or would you consider these equally under the purview of this new channel?
Gender is not biological, sex is. Gender is a social construct. This is false. Gender is the state of your sex, eg. male, female, or other. Gender identity can be defined yourself and your society. But gender has a definite value. Incorrect. Gender is not the same as your assigned sex, Gender is not static either. Female "gender" roles in the middle east for example are not the same as Female "gender" roles in the united states.
Proof? Gender is from the latin root Genus, meaning "kind". It's a taxonomic classification, regardless of what any group defines themselves as. You can call yourself female or male and not be. The only thing that makes you is wrong.
Now, you can have a gender identity that doesn't match your gender. Or, you can physically change your gender.
But gender is not a matter of opinion.
Your gender role may change as you travel abroad, but your gender will not. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:10:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:While I never would attend a "special" channel based on my RL person, be it gender, sexuality, social standing or whatever, I can understand why people feel the need to find other people "like them" in a virtual community like EVE... so, good luck, by all means... just make sure you know what you are doing... In my opinion, a gaming community should never be a forum to discuss or, worse consult about possible psychological conditions... that's what therapists are for.
If all you are planning to achieve is a place where transgendered people can talk about topics that concearn them besides EVE... well, I guess there will be no harm in that...
Sidenote: Beeing transgendered is NO sickness in any meaning of the word...
I understand where you are coming from. I do want the channel to have topics including but not limited to topics of interest to the trans community. I might post a link on the twitter about a legal case or some legislation, or I may post something about fashion or what kind of clothes are really nice. It all depends on what I find/ what people suggest to me.
This channel is not going to be some rigid little box where people are forced to talk about specific things. I would hope it would be just the opposite. I want to obviously provide suggestions for topics of discussion but these will be suggestions not mandatory topics.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:23:00 -
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As I said, I trust that you know what you are doing... it takes all sorts, as they say.
I really don't see any harm in having "special" (silly wording, I know) channels like that.
and @Lilliana: Sorry, but you aren't entirerly correct there... in some cases, gender is neither defined by the birth physis, nor psychological background or social conditioning...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:24:00 -
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Keep it civil folks. No personal attacks or trolling. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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FluffyDice
Psykotic Meat Fatal Ascension
221
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:24:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:I would not have done this if there was not already significant demand for it. Yes you would have. You are a confused attention ***** who wants to be in the spotlight. |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
533
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:41:00 -
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This is exactly what I was afraid of.
It would appear you have trouble tolerating other viewpoints (including the dictionary's), yet you wish to run a clearly controversial channel. And claim that someone quoting almost directly from the dictionary is ignorant?
Again, This seems like an attention thing, or a response to someone who identified as female but actually wasn't being denied access to wgoe.
I'm not trying to persecute you or accuse you, yet you're being defensive against my quoting the commonly accepted.
So let me, for the sake of example, be defensive: In which case, allow me to express my own opinion. I find this channel degrading to women, due to it's similar nature to WGOE. To blindly draw an analog between "sex" as you call it (what wgoe is founded upon, and is a hard classification) and a social construct (what tgoe is founded on) lessens the meaning of the hard classification. Anyone can change their social image, but very few people have the resources to change their actual "sex", or gender, as the rest of the world refers to it.
So forgive me, but I'm offended by the grouping together of WGOE and TGOE, as it makes WGOE sound cheap and invalid.
But, that's just my /opinion/. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
2283
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:41:00 -
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FluffyDice wrote:Yes you would have. You are a confused attention ***** who wants to be in the spotlight.
...so are you for even posting here.
Even IF that was the case, who cares? I don't get you people sometimes... "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
497
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:42:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:So let me, for the sake of example, be defensive: In which case, allow me to express my own opinion. I find this channel degrading to women, due to it's similar nature to WGOE. To blindly draw an analog between "sex" as you call it (what wgoe is founded upon, and is a hard classification) and a social construct (what tgoe is founded on) lessens the meaning of the hard classification. Anyone can change their social image, but very few people have the resources to change their actual "sex", or gender, as the rest of the world refers to it.
So forgive me, but I'm offended by the grouping together of WGOE and TGOE, as it makes WGOE sound cheap and invalid.
But, that's just my /opinion/. That's bullshit. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
534
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:49:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:@Lilliana: Sorry, but you aren't entirerly correct there... in some cases, gender is neither defined by the birth physis, nor psychological background or social conditioning... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002495/
It really depends on your source. The US library of medicine clearly states that gender is defined at birth.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:That's bull****
It's an opinion. Most of them are. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
598
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:So let me, for the sake of example, be defensive: In which case, allow me to express my own opinion. I find this channel degrading to women, due to it's similar nature to WGOE. To blindly draw an analog between "sex" as you call it (what wgoe is founded upon, and is a hard classification) and a social construct (what tgoe is founded on) lessens the meaning of the hard classification. Anyone can change their social image, but very few people have the resources to change their actual "sex", or gender, as the rest of the world refers to it.
So forgive me, but I'm offended by the grouping together of WGOE and TGOE, as it makes WGOE sound cheap and invalid.
But, that's just my /opinion/. That's bullshit. Agreed.
Getting back on track I would say that the idea to start this channel was not my own but that of Arancia Detto. She spoke with me at length about the benefit a channel like the one I created could have and how it would be great for the two channels to be connected to each other in function. I jumped at the idea because I have a heavy background in psychology as well as gender studies. So we both felt like I was the natural choice to start something like this. Xenuria CSM 8 |
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