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Lee Janssen
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Posted - 2011.01.10 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Lee Janssen on 10/01/2011 18:45:40
Originally by: Nika Dekaia
Originally by: Lee Janssen So, appearently i was banned for "Smartbombing in FD", since when is it against the rules?
It's not my fault when Chris here was intentionally trying to get podded by ejecting and boarding his ship.
Up until now I had the imperssion that: Smartbomb - bad luck. Even though the use of smartbombs seems to be higher on Sisi than on TQ for "some" reason
CCP should either ban smartbombs like other AOE weopons and ban people using them. Or keep it as it was and file smartbomb podkills under "Duh...happens."
Don't know if some BH / Dev researched deeper in this particular case and was able to tell that this podding was on purpose, but I'd think it's rather tricky to determine if someone did pod on purpose with a smartbomb.
Anyway, having a straight stance on things would be good.
I agree, plus i have witnesses that the person was trying to purposely get me to pod him. So, yea, i'd really love it if GM's would actually read the rules themselves or atleast not give me this "smartbombing" reason for a ban, lulz.
Also, who the hell believes Chris bailey anyway... i mean really... - Damn it, out of duct tape again. |
Chris Bailey
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Posted - 2011.01.10 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Janssen Edited by: Lee Janssen on 10/01/2011 18:45:40
Originally by: Nika Dekaia
Originally by: Lee Janssen So, appearently i was banned for "Smartbombing in FD", since when is it against the rules?
It's not my fault when Chris here was intentionally trying to get podded by ejecting and boarding his ship.
Up until now I had the imperssion that: Smartbomb - bad luck. Even though the use of smartbombs seems to be higher on Sisi than on TQ for "some" reason
CCP should either ban smartbombs like other AOE weopons and ban people using them. Or keep it as it was and file smartbomb podkills under "Duh...happens."
Don't know if some BH / Dev researched deeper in this particular case and was able to tell that this podding was on purpose, but I'd think it's rather tricky to determine if someone did pod on purpose with a smartbomb.
Anyway, having a straight stance on things would be good.
I agree, plus i have witnesses that the person was trying to purposely get me to pod him. So, yea, i'd really love it if GM's would actually read the rules themselves or atleast not give me this "smartbombing" reason for a ban, lulz.
Also, who the hell believes Chris bailey anyway... i mean really...
Your only witness is your "friend" who also popped me with a smart bomb Also who fits smartbombs to titans anyways and you complain about my fit.
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Lee Janssen
CONCARD
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Posted - 2011.01.10 21:49:00 -
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Who doesn't... - Damn it, out of duct tape again. |
Comodore John
Gallente Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.10 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Comodore John on 10/01/2011 23:30:36 Even though I doubt the decision will be changed, just by checking the time Lee's smartbomb went off and comparing it to the time Chris ejected will tell you that Lee had no way to stop it. Plus, if Chris ejected twice, obviously he's trying to get podded on purpose.
P.S. Your ship died after your pod. P.P.S. Smartbombs are anti drone weapons
Edit: Difference between fits was that Lee's was TQ and he can use DD...
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Inspired Angel
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Posted - 2011.01.10 23:34:00 -
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i just got my nyx out of manufacturing after waiting for almost 2 weeks.. and so i goto cyno over to fd-mlj.. and then this guy comes in and kills my cyno ship.. then says oh a nyx.. then a whole fleet (his fleet) warp in and they bubble me.. and start trying to take down my nyx.. after telling them in local this is illegal.. i am not consenting.. to this fight cease fire.. they only respond with more people jumping in.. saying in local anyone wanna help me take down this nyx. well after almost an hour goes by.. i finally got someone else trying to tell them the same thing that only consensual combat is allowed in sisi.. that it is a test server.. meant for friendly game play.. and if they want this type of thing goto tranq. th9is guy was nasty in local and very rude.. and offensive.. saying its just a game.. and also stated that if i get him banned he has many other alts he will just come back in and do it again with another character.. i will provide the kills of 2 of my ships.. trying to defend my nyx from being blown up... after much debate and me being very agry and others.. he finanly unbubbled me.... and still maintained to verbally assault me in local and in private chat. Quote: Bioshibby1
is the guys eve-name!! here are the kill mails.. of people that were involved in this attack although my nyx was not destroyed the other ships were that i brought out to support my nyx from an alt:
2011.01.10 22:09:00
Victim: apollospartan Corp: League Of Heavenly Hosts Alliance: Doomsday Testing Alliance Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Bhaalgorn System: FD-MLJ Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 52900
Involved parties:
Name: Ugolovnik (laid the final blow) Security: 3.1 Corp: AFC Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Ship: Hyperion Weapon: Electron Blaster Cannon II Damage Done: 32713
Name: Knt0001 Security: 4.1 Corp: G0P-ST0P Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Ship: Damnation Weapon: Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Damage Done: 13504
Name: dream assassin Security: -1.0 Corp: Hunter's Elite Alliance: The Darkness Rising Faction: NONE Ship: Vigilant Weapon: Hammerhead II Damage Done: 5633
2011.01.10 21:54:00
Victim: apollospartan Corp: League Of Heavenly Hosts Alliance: Doomsday Testing Alliance Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Succubus System: FD-MLJ Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 0
Involved parties:
Name: Bioshibby1 (laid the final blow) Security: 1.2 Corp: Hunter's Elite Alliance: The Darkness Rising Faction: NONE Ship: Adrestia Weapon: Heavy Ion Blaster II Damage Done: 0
(I DID NOT INCLUDE ITEMS DESTROYED TO NOT MAKE THIS FORUM POSTING TO BE TOO LONG OUT OF CONSIDERATION TOO CCP )
this does not make me happy that people that play this game seem to only want to mess with people to give them a bad day!!! or code word troll as i was told. in traq i cant stand it .. but on a test server where rules have been posted and people just want to cause problems.. i think there should be more or a reprimand then just banning from the test server!!! maybe a slight bann from traq too.. would teach them a lesson. especially when they have enough nerve to say they dont care that they will be banned.. they have many alts and will come back under an alt and do the same thing again!! this is not fun! or good! a buddy made a video of it and also sent me copies of the conversation in local. here is the video link.. and i can provide you with an evemail: nullnullhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRw2Svd3eSo/url] of the conversations also.
bioshibby1 quote From: SilentHunter13 Sent: 2011.01.10 23:23 To: Inspired Angel,
Here is a quote from local, removing the other locals to only show bioshibby1 and Inspired talking after bioshibby1 released him.
Bioshibby1 when u found out u was going to die u cried to ccp little kid Inspired Angel consider yourself banned Bioshibby1 gdgd Bioshibby1 i have multiple alts i dont mind i can come back with more lol Bioshibby1 and 1 learn to fit ur nyx and 2 get a life
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Roger Douglas
Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.01.11 00:27:00 -
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I could not resist.
1. "watch the battle" = fit a freaking cloak 2. Warp in at 100km 3. Smarties on a Titan? Common Sense.
All redundant, due to ban of player, but OP had it coming due to silliness. |
Comodore John
Gallente Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.11 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Douglas I could not resist.
1. "watch the battle" = fit a freaking cloak 2. Warp in at 100km 3. Smarties on a Titan? Common Sense.
All redundant, due to ban of player, but OP had it coming due to silliness.
OP would've been doing that at 100 in a cov ops if he wanted ot watch. He wanted to get podded, otherwise he wouldn't have ejected twice
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Skullet4000
Caldari Monkeytech
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Posted - 2011.01.11 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Skullet4000 on 11/01/2011 00:50:49 There are two threads calling for Lee Janssen to be banned, both are kinda suspicious. Tbh its hard to tell if Lee Janssen is griefing other players or if he is being griefed by other players. Probably best to ban them all that way you can be sure to get the right result.
PS. Since your banned can I have your stuff?
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Comodore John
Gallente Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.11 00:55:00 -
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Can't comment on other thread as I wasn't there, but OP was trying to get him banned by purposely ejecting to get smartied to death.
P.S. I didn't get banned as I didn't break rules
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Skullet4000
Caldari Monkeytech
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Posted - 2011.01.11 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Comodore John Can't comment on other thread as I wasn't there, but OP was trying to get him banned by purposely ejecting to get smartied to death.
P.S. I didn't get banned as I didn't break rules
He popped someone outside a station for bumping him in the other thread, but again its hard to tell who's griefing who there. He probably shouldn't have popped him, but then again the guy shouldn't have been deliberately bumping a titan. This incident happened within a couple of hours of the other thread, so either Lee Janssen is awesome at griefing or they were deliberately trying to get him banned. If its the latter then he should definitely state his case to CCP.
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Comodore John
Gallente Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.11 01:43:00 -
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This thread is definately a case of trying to get him banned, as for the other one, both are in the wrong TBH. You shouldn't be bumping a titan who's trying to warp off at station and you shouldn't be killing them for it.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.11 02:19:00 -
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Using smartbombs on Sisi is not smart
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Lee Janssen
CONCARD
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Posted - 2011.01.11 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Skullet4000 Edited by: Skullet4000 on 11/01/2011 00:50:49 There are two threads calling for Lee Janssen to be banned, both are kinda suspicious. Tbh its hard to tell if Lee Janssen is griefing other players or if he is being griefed by other players. Probably best to ban them all that way you can be sure to get the right result.
PS. Since your banned can I have your stuff?
Sure you can, let me just log in and trade....wait, nvm... - Damn it, out of duct tape again. |
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CCP Sisyphus
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Posted - 2011.01.11 09:33:00 -
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You want a clear stance - not a problem.
Rules are - podding is against the rules, if you pod someone I will ban you, at least temporarily. If you want to use AOE weapons, its a risk you have to take.
If you really want to TEST something like this, take your ships out of FD to somewhere quiet with the people you are testing with the ensure there are no idiots around.
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ArmyOfMe
Pastry Productions Inc. Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2011.01.11 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
If you really want to TEST something like this, take your ships out of FD to somewhere quiet with the people you are testing with the ensure there are no idiots around.
so your agreeing that the op is an idiot, but u still banned the other guy for using a pretty standard weapon on a cap ship, in the cap ship ffa?
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CCP Sisyphus
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
If you really want to TEST something like this, take your ships out of FD to somewhere quiet with the people you are testing with the ensure there are no idiots around.
so your agreeing that the op is an idiot, but u still banned the other guy for using a pretty standard weapon on a cap ship, in the cap ship ffa?
5) No bombs in FFA's.
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Lee Janssen
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Posted - 2011.01.11 11:56:00 -
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Umm, pretty sure the bombs in ffa's mean, actual bombs from Stealth bomber's Bomb Launchers, not smartbombs, smartbombs are supposed to be allowed, just have to be careful with them, no? - Damn it, out of duct tape again. |
ArmyOfMe
Pastry Productions Inc. Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2011.01.11 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
If you really want to TEST something like this, take your ships out of FD to somewhere quiet with the people you are testing with the ensure there are no idiots around.
so your agreeing that the op is an idiot, but u still banned the other guy for using a pretty standard weapon on a cap ship, in the cap ship ffa?
5) No bombs in FFA's.
as far as i know titans cant use bombs
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.01.11 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
If you really want to TEST something like this, take your ships out of FD to somewhere quiet with the people you are testing with the ensure there are no idiots around.
so your agreeing that the op is an idiot, but u still banned the other guy for using a pretty standard weapon on a cap ship, in the cap ship ffa?
5) No bombs in FFA's.
as far as i know titans cant use bombs
SmartBomb __________________________
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Hurlum
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Posted - 2011.01.11 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Turix
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus 5) No _____bombs in FFAs.
SmartBomb
sisi rules state that you should be careful with smartbombs, not "smartbombs banned" but yeah, no podding, tough ****, op had it coming
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Lee Janssen
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Posted - 2011.01.11 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hurlum
Originally by: Turix
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus 5) No _____bombs in FFAs.
SmartBomb
sisi rules state that you should be careful with smartbombs, not "smartbombs banned" but yeah, no podding, tough ****, op had it coming
THANK YOU! - Damn it, out of duct tape again. |
Comodore John
Gallente Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.11 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus Edited by: CCP Sisyphus on 11/01/2011 09:50:54 You want a clear stance - not a problem.
1) NO PODDING! 2) No Capital ships or fighter drones outside FFA2. 3) No dropping of multiple secure cans, control towers, bubbles or other "trash" in space anywhere. 4) NO fighting outside the stations. 5) No bombs in FFA's. 6) No area of effect warp inhibiting modules of any kind in FFA's (warp disruption probes, fields, bubbles).
Rules are - podding is against the rules, if you pod someone I will ban you, at least temporarily. NO BOMBS IN FFA!!!!
If you really want to TEST something like this, take your ships out of FD to somewhere quiet with the people you are testing with the ensure there are no idiots around.
Smartbombs have always been allowed AFAIK, it is only asked that you be careful with them (not have them on when a ship goes boom).
On the subject of moving people, can you move all the people taking cap ships into all the other FFAs except for 2 or just ban them? The population of idiots would go down
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Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2011.01.11 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 09/01/2011 17:41:48
Originally by: Yung Trim Ban all three of them, it would make singularity a better place
Originally by: justin666 just put a age limit of 20 on eve that way it be a better game
Why would they limit the age to 20. You do realize that that means noone 21+ right?
The word your looking for is minimum.
Minimum and maximum LIMIT. Sadly he didn't specify which limit, but that doesn't make his point any less valid.
As for the smartbomb podding.. Both the ship and the pod died at the same minute. Both got popped by the same smarty activation.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Comodore John
Gallente Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.11 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bryg Philomena
Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 09/01/2011 17:41:48
Originally by: Yung Trim Ban all three of them, it would make singularity a better place
Originally by: justin666 just put a age limit of 20 on eve that way it be a better game
Why would they limit the age to 20. You do realize that that means noone 21+ right?
The word your looking for is minimum.
Minimum and maximum LIMIT. Sadly he didn't specify which limit, but that doesn't make his point any less valid.
As for the smartbomb podding.. Both the ship and the pod died at the same minute. Both got popped by the same smarty activation.
Actually, OP ejected (this is second time) and gets podded because of the timing of the ejection. My smarties are off and I check to see if OP really got podded, see corpse, and activate my smarties to finish off his ship.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.01.12 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Janssen
Originally by: Hurlum
Originally by: Turix
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus 5) No _____bombs in FFAs.
SmartBomb
sisi rules state that you should be careful with smartbombs, not "smartbombs banned" but yeah, no podding, tough ****, op had it coming
THANK YOU!
Nice alt posting you did there. You're still in the wrong and your actions were just griefing.
As far as smartbombs are concerned, they were always allowed, you just had to be careful. I've lost many drones to smarties in the past. The no bombs rule applies to the steathbomber bombs. I find it strange a Dev is unaware of this, but now I guess they'll change the rules retrospectively after that post.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Lee Janssen
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Posted - 2011.01.12 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lee Janssen on 12/01/2011 13:22:53 Hear Ye, Hear Ye, FROM HENCEFORTH, the usage of any module, device or idea, which contains the word "Bomb" is unlawful, illegal and against the rules of TEST SERVER CONDUCT!
Any person seen using said module or modules will be without a shadow of a doubt be BAHNHAMMERED TO EPIC DEATHTOM!
That is all. - Damn it, out of duct tape again. |
Izuru Hishido
Amarr Lethal Dosage. Violent Society
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus
If you really want to TEST something like this, take your ships out of FD to somewhere quiet with the people you are testing with the ensure there are no idiots around.
so your agreeing that the op is an idiot, but u still banned the other guy for using a pretty standard weapon on a cap ship, in the cap ship ffa?
5) No bombs in FFA's.
With due respect, Sisyphus, a smartbomb has never once in as long as I can recall since I started to play EVE nearly six years ago been simply referred to as a 'bomb' by the CCP's and GM's. You've decided unilaterally that everything with the word 'bomb' in it is illegal in FFA's due to one miscreant who was intentionally trying to get podded so that he could get someone he didn't like banned from the server.
Smartbombs do not require a bomb launcher to use. Smartbombs do not require the skill Missile Bombardment 4 to use. Smartbombs do not have a 30 kilometer range, nor a large blast radius.
I'm not sure if you're specifically aware of the use of smartbombs in combat, but it is a deterrent to a carrier or drone heavy gang as it can uniformly destroy or damage everything that is in range. A smartbomb is a tactical weapon, meant for the purpose of destroying small targets, such as drones or even frigates that stray too close to a carrier.
Yes, I have seen people abuse smartbombs before, and it is annoying to see a flight of fighters instantly pop, but rendering the entire selection of weapons illegal is very poor judgement.
There is a beacon that distinctly says in FD-MLJ "No podding. Be careful with smartbombs."
This beacon has been in FD for as long as I can remember, which means that every other GM or Dev who touched the beacons agreed that the smartbomb was a functional weapon, mainly used as a deterrent, but also for other purposes.
Do I think people should be banned for intentionally podding someone? Yes. It is a great deal of effort to return to FD- after you have forgotten to move your clone closer to FD-, so after repeated poddings, yes that person should be banned. The first time may well have been lag and they could have locked/smartbombed the pod on accident. That's the entire reasoning behind the beacon saying 'Be careful.'
This is extremely unprofessional and astonishingly disappointing that you believe that everyone who fits a smartbomb is unfamiliar with their functions and will simply pod half the population in FD-. If you think that, then you should frankly just take the FFA beacons down since accidents will happen and people will still get podded. Will there be a next step after banning smartbombs? Will you ban probes because they can find aggro'ed rulebreakers? Or will you ban towers altogether just because one guy doesn't know how to setup his tower to not aggro on sight?
I'm frankly disappointed that you have that low faith in all of us and immediately paint us all rulebreakers, Sisyphus.
Again, with respect--
Izuru "The point of war is not to die for your country, its to make the other bastard die for his." |
Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.01.13 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 13/01/2011 03:39:53 +1 to the above post.
A simpler way to prevent issues like this would be to have another FFA beacon where "anything goes", including podding. If you want to test smartbombs, you go there and NO other beacon. You warp there in a flimsy ship, you take your chances.
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Lee Janssen
CONCARD
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Posted - 2011.01.13 05:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lee Janssen on 13/01/2011 05:40:34 Well, Izuru managed to make the best post so far, who wants to try to top it :P ? |
Izuru Hishido
Amarr Lethal Dosage. Violent Society
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Posted - 2011.01.13 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Janssen Edited by: Lee Janssen on 13/01/2011 05:40:34 Well, Izuru managed to make the best post so far, who wants to try to top it :P ?
Just stating the truth, and if that truth means that Sisyphus is overreacting to this single incident, then thats what it is.
The fact of the matter is just that I state the truth very eloquently when I'm motivated to do so, :D "The point of war is not to die for your country, its to make the other bastard die for his." |
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