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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:19:00 -
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Noisrevbus wrote:If BC actually went on to cost 4x as much as a Cruiser it's likely that Cruisers would see more use.
An Oracle costs between 7x-10x the price of an Amarr cruiser, before fittings. A Harbinger only costs up to 5x as much. |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
21
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:26:00 -
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I'm not sure I understand all this bemoaning the T2 frigs. They are still good, their extra features are valuable and justify their cost IMO. Anybody who has spent time flying the T1 attack frigs knows that if you fart in them you'll blow their airlock out. Those T2 resists can count for a lot.
I would be strongly against further buffing of T2 ships after 'tiericide'. It's been great that the gap between T1 and T2 has been closed a bit. Especially for the newer players. People have gotten too used to buying relative invincibility and that has been upset a bit.
The T2 ships will still have a strong advantage, and are especially rewarding to a player with good skills. With the T1 attack frigs, one false move and you're dead. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
323
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:00:00 -
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Zyella Stormborn wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:The MWD sig bonus and point range come to mind. To me the question you should be asking is why anyone would fly a Crusader now that the Executioner exists. :)
-Liang My Crusader is currently all cleaned up and on display mounted on a slowly spinning stand on loan to Johnny Rocket Burger's, until the balance pass at Inties is done. The Executioner is ... well... yeah.
Really? my crusader caught and held a navy slicer long enough for my fleet to kill it and me survive with 80% structure. The executioner who tried earlier could not say the same.
I view the combat ceptors as a good counter to these rebalances t1 tacklers. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
231
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:14:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Really? my crusader caught and held a navy slicer long enough for my fleet to kill it and me survive with 80% structure. The executioner who tried earlier could not say the same.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17276701 :-/
That fight began in scram range, though. Before other mods and with meta MWD, a Crusader overheating its MWD has about 5700m/s to the Executioner's 5000m/s. But the Executioner accelerates faster.
Why do you think you couldn't've caught the Slicer in an Executioner? |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
323
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:31:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Really? my crusader caught and held a navy slicer long enough for my fleet to kill it and me survive with 80% structure. The executioner who tried earlier could not say the same. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17276701 :-/ That fight began in scram range, though. Before other mods and with meta MWD, a Crusader overheating its MWD has about 5700m/s to the Executioner's 5000m/s. But the Executioner accelerates faster. Why do you think you couldn't've caught the Slicer in an Executioner?
It was not the catching. That can often be easy in RvB. A lot of pilots think they are hot because they can fly fast little ships. They try to slip in, pull a frig off, then kite it and run before any help arrives. The crusader's e xtra tank let me survive long enough for help to arrive and get additional points on the slicer. |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier The-Machine
361
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:10:00 -
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Quote:I'd LOVE to see Titans and Moms finally being balanced that way, too, so that they are only marginally better than cheap-ass stuff.
Funnily enough, this is actually how all the t2 mods are balanced. Would definitely be interesting. |
MushroomMushroom
Consolidated Sprocket
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:09:00 -
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What this thread is missing is that a properly setup fleet interceptor should be pushing 6.1k EHP before fleet bonsues, with a 29k point, while still traveling fast enough to hold anything but a speed tanked frigate. 35% of the cost of my ceptor is modules/rigs, so at most my ceptor costs 3x the price of a comparably configured T1 frig, for 3x the tank and better tackling, I'm gonna stick with the ceptor.
As its almost always used in fleets, there is a reasonable chance I'll be getting command links, which boosts the EHP up to 9491 and a 34.38km point (targeting range). |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
1946
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:17:00 -
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MushroomMushroom wrote:What this thread is missing is that a properly setup fleet interceptor should be pushing 6.1k EHP before fleet bonsues, with a 29k point, while still traveling fast enough to hold anything but a speed tanked frigate. 35% of the cost of my ceptor is modules/rigs, so at most my ceptor costs 3x the price of a comparably configured T1 frig, for 3x the tank and better tackling, I'm gonna stick with the ceptor.
As its almost always used in fleets, there is a reasonable chance I'll be getting command links, which boosts the EHP up to 9491 and a 34.38km point (targeting range).
No, I'm pretty sure we covered that ground. The discussion has moved on to the more interesting conversation about combat interceptors.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Review and Evaluation Greater Realms
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Posted - 2012.08.21 17:38:00 -
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Unless you are throwing Pilot skills into the mix how do you expect the Inty to stand up?
A well trained Inty pilot (5 is the only way to go!) Can get great speed at a tiny signature and a bloody long point. This will allow you to easily orbit a BS and it's smart bombs along with most Warrior 2's (unless they are very well trained Drone Pilot).
You can't take away half of its bonuses and then say it doesn't work...... well, you can, but it's silly!
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Barrak |
Garresh
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.08.22 04:19:00 -
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Jim Tudeski wrote: A lot of interesting things
No offense meant here, but all you've proven is what everyone already knew: The Claw is fracking terrible. The jag fits you listed blow the slasher out of the water, but lack the sheer speed the slasher brings to the table. Although that's saying something given that the AF buffs made the Jag one of the worst AFs now due to how much better the buffs for other AFs are. The stiletto still wins as an interceptor. The Jag still wins as a MWD brawler/fast dogfighter, but loses out in net speed. The claw was garbage as a ship since well before the T1 "attack frigate" changes. lol
Sorry to rip your post to shreds, but I've tried flying a Claw many a time, and they're complete trash. The comparison isn't really fair. The fracking RIFTER was better than a claw. T1 ships beating the claw is NOT new.
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