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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10583
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:14:00 -
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Were it otherwise then we would be presented an entirely different system in which the penultimate and ultimate choices would not be present, leaving us only with the antepenultimate choice aforementioned as our initial choice to ponder. That we are able to imagine not only an alternative but a secondary alternative, rather than merely to expound upon the choice initially presented to us in the popular rhetoric, allows for the Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
172
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:20:00 -
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A nifty knot of nothing.
... though you seem to have left a trailing end. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10583
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:26:00 -
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realization that we are not now nor have we ever been locked into that initial choice. We may choose not only between the A and the not-A, or between the A and the B, but also between Question and not-Question. Our decisions need not be as limited as we are commonly given cause to believe by those who would steer our opinions towards conveniently contrived eventualities. This is a basic fact which needs no explanation, and for which boundless examples can be provided from the common experiences of individuals. When presented the option of either One, or Two, Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:12:00 -
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While watching the local caldari broadcast in Nennamalia I came across this broadcast from a low budget studio. Honey Boo Boo
WARNING
Long term exposure can cause permanent damage to implants. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10584
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:17:00 -
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the implicit message is that One and Two are the only choices when in fact the individual may choose other, unprompted responses; additionally, one may elect to disregard the question entirely, in effect juxtaposing an immeasurable set of alternate responses for those initially provided.
We arrive at the contrived duality, that one must choose the A or the not-A, the A or the B, not because those are the only possible choices but because the Question has itself been chosen. Inasmuch as this discussion is occurring at all, we assume that while possible the set of choices which follow from not-Question has not Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
762
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:23:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:While watching the local caldari broadcast in Nennamalia I came across this broadcast from a low budget studio. Honey Boo BooWARNINGLong term exposure can cause permanent damage to implants.
That is not Caldari, but nice try. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10584
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:24:00 -
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Thank you all for listening. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
177
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Posted - 2012.08.17 05:04:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Thank you all for listening.
You've still got a trailing end stuck out there, sweetie. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10584
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Posted - 2012.08.17 05:36:00 -
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I am aware of exactly what I have written, and I assure you that you are mistaken. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Kalaratiri
Skadi's Call Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
226
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Posted - 2012.08.17 05:43:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:the implicit message is that One and Two are the only choices when in fact the individual may choose other, unprompted responses; additionally, one may elect to disregard the question entirely, in effect juxtaposing an immeasurable set of alternate responses for those initially provided.
We arrive at the contrived duality, that one must choose the A or the not-A, the A or the B, not because those are the only possible choices but because the Question has itself been chosen. Inasmuch as this discussion is occurring at all, we assume that while possible the set of choices which follow from not-Question has not
yet been chosen; but there's no reason why it can't be. |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
625
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Posted - 2012.08.17 08:45:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Were it otherwise then we would be presented an entirely different system in which the penultimate and ultimate choices would not be present, leaving us only with the antepenultimate choice aforementioned as our initial choice to ponder. That we are able to imagine not only an alternative but a secondary alternative, rather than merely to expound upon the choice initially presented to us in the popular rhetoric, allows for the
Here's a hint:
Use big words sparingly, instead of trying to cram as many as possible, in as many places as possible.
That'll actually make you look smarter if you do it right, although I realise that in your case, that's not saying much.
Tasteful restraint, tasteful restraint... Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
395
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Posted - 2012.08.17 09:34:00 -
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It seems almost as if you intended to articulate your point as poorly as possible.
How cathartic. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Jev North
Anshar Incorporated
69
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Posted - 2012.08.17 10:25:00 -
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There is no shame in philosophical deconstruction -- as long as you do it in private, and wash your hands afterwards. |
Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
235
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Posted - 2012.08.17 12:13:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote: Inasmuch as this discussion is occurring at all, we assume that while possible
It's so good to know there's still a little magic in the air. CMS-17 IV-á-á
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10589
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Posted - 2012.08.17 14:33:00 -
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As with all of my posts, this was not an attempt to look intelligent.
If you benefit from my post, then fine; if you don't, then that is also fine.
If instead of forming and expressing an opinion on my post you decided to enjoy a Quafe or shoot at people in space, then all the better. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10589
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Posted - 2012.08.17 14:41:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Were it otherwise then we would be presented an entirely different system in which the penultimate and ultimate choices would not be present, leaving us only with the antepenultimate choice aforementioned as our initial choice to ponder. That we are able to imagine not only an alternative but a secondary alternative, rather than merely to expound upon the choice initially presented to us in the popular rhetoric, allows for the Here's a hint: Use big words sparingly, instead of trying to cram as many as possible, in as many places as possible. That'll actually make you look smarter if you do it right, although I realise that in your case, that's not saying much. Tasteful restraint, tasteful restraint... Upon your request, here is a version which uses exclusively small words:
Were it not so then we would see thing two where the last-but-one option and the last option would not be, and we would instead only see the prior-to-last-but-one before told to us as the only option about which to think. That we can think not only about not-One-or-Two, sub-one, but also about not-One-or-Two, sub-two, and not only to think more about the options One-or-Two told us at the start by high opinion smooth talking, lets us Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
396
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Posted - 2012.08.17 14:47:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:As with all of my posts, this was not an attempt to look intelligent.
Well thank the Spirits.
I can stop holding my breath, now.
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
134
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Posted - 2012.08.17 15:26:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Thank you all for listening.
Thank you for supplying your puzzle. If I may do a little deconstruction for the edification of the audience?
Should there exist a unique x, there exists y such that: 1a) y is not equal to the second-last element, b of the set S{}, 1b) y is not equal to the successor of b, c, in set S{}, 2) y is equal to the last allowable member of the set S{}, a, which is the successor to b. 3) b and c exist in the kernel of S{}. 4) b or c also map to other values in T{} given smooth operator N()
The conclusion is left as an exercise to the reader. |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
396
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Posted - 2012.08.17 15:33:00 -
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We're not friends anymore, Schere. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
135
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Posted - 2012.08.17 15:50:00 -
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.08.17 16:00:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:The conclusion is left as an exercise to the reader. The short's somewhere near the left anterior cingulate cortex, leaning dorsal. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
376
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Posted - 2012.08.17 16:06:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Thank you all for listening. Thank you for supplying your puzzle. If I may do a little deconstruction for the edification of the audience? Should there exist a unique x, there exists y such that: 1a) y is not equal to the second-last element, b of the set S{}, 1b) y is not equal to the successor of b, c, in set S{}, 2) y is equal to the last allowable member of the set S{}, a, which is the successor to b. 3) b and c exist in the kernel of S{}. 4) b or c also map to other values in T{} given smooth operator N() The conclusion is left as an exercise to the reader.
The conclusion is in the preface. |
Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2012.08.17 17:37:00 -
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The road less traveled. |
Makkal Hanaya
Hanaya Deferment Co
273
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Posted - 2012.08.17 19:13:00 -
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I think post structure was chosen to highlight that even regular methods of discussion are a part of a larger framework that can be bent or discarded if doing so conveys meaning. This is similar to certain poets using abnormal or even random punctuation simply to see how it changes the flow and impact of the poem.
As to the content itself, it's a warning against false binaries and points out that question (or problems or situations) are often based on a specific set of assumptions and beliefs that by their very nature will influence our answer (or reaction.) It's not enough to avoid binaries, but one needs to look at the philosophical framework that leads to those binaries. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2012.08.17 19:22:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:I think post structure was chosen to highlight that even regular methods of discussion are a part of a larger framework that can be bent or discarded if doing so conveys meaning. This is similar to certain poets using abnormal or even random punctuation simply to see how it changes the flow and impact of the poem. The post structure is deliberate, yes - though after looking at it carefully, Lyris seems to be demonstrating a circular argument in a rather literal fashion. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
136
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Posted - 2012.08.17 20:20:00 -
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Jev North wrote:Scherezad wrote:The conclusion is left as an exercise to the reader. The short's somewhere near the left anterior cingulate cortex, leaning dorsal.
Oh, no, my ACC is alright! One of the few brain regions I can properly say remains intact. But thank you for the warning, I'll have them re-examine the area on my next medical! |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
626
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Posted - 2012.08.18 10:41:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Were it otherwise then we would be presented an entirely different system in which the penultimate and ultimate choices would not be present, leaving us only with the antepenultimate choice aforementioned as our initial choice to ponder. That we are able to imagine not only an alternative but a secondary alternative, rather than merely to expound upon the choice initially presented to us in the popular rhetoric, allows for the Here's a hint: Use big words sparingly, instead of trying to cram as many as possible, in as many places as possible. That'll actually make you look smarter if you do it right, although I realise that in your case, that's not saying much. Tasteful restraint, tasteful restraint... Upon your request, here is a version which uses exclusively small words: Were it not so then we would see thing two where the last-but-one option and the last option would not be, and we would instead only see the prior-to-last-but-one before told to us as the only option about which to think. That we can think not only about not-One-or-Two, sub-one, but also about not-One-or-Two, sub-two, and not only to think more about the options One-or-Two told us at the start by high opinion smooth talking, lets us
No, no, no.
And, no:
Farts are supposed to come from the hole in your arse, not the one in your face!
(Really, I don't see what's so hard about this)
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Tamiroth
Royal Amarr Institute
79
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:08:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Were it otherwise then we would be presented an entirely different system in which the penultimate and ultimate choices would not be present, leaving us only with the antepenultimate choice aforementioned as our initial choice to ponder. That we are able to imagine not only an alternative but a secondary alternative, rather than merely to expound upon the choice initially presented to us in the popular rhetoric, allows for the That's what happens when someone tries to overclock his INT implant, as opposed to simply mixing crash and alcohol. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
185
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Posted - 2012.08.18 16:47:00 -
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I miss the old, abrasive, not so clever Nairn. Can she come back please? What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
626
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Posted - 2012.08.18 16:50:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote: [...] not so clever Nairn. Can she come back please?
Clearly, she hasn't gone anywhere!
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
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