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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.16 01:27:00 -
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"we have launched a new investment concept. This concept is as simple as it seems. You give Phaser Inc a certain amount of money to manage for you. In return you receive interest on weekly basis."
http://www.phaserinc.com/
Who's behind Phaser Inc. ?
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Juda Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
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Posted - 2011.01.16 01:35:00 -
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obviously you are...
-Juda
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.16 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Juda Decartes obviously you are...
Nope. And I didn't ask for random guessing, did I ?!
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.01.16 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Juda Decartes obviously you are...
Nope. And I didn't ask for random guessing, did I ?!
And you didn't get random guessing either.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.16 02:37:00 -
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Yup, it's you. Classic **** investment scam. Toon burned. Better luck next time.
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Luxotor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.16 03:01:00 -
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lame. --- Make lowsec useful! |
Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2011.01.16 03:49:00 -
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Is Reithe still doing Webdesign / IPO Counceling ?
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.16 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Luxotor lame.
Yes and no. Saw one of the "CEO" figures posting in Dodixie local -- with some story I do not believe. Nevertheless they obviously hacked up some FQDN website without (?!) posting about it on the forums... which does require more of an effort the usual hub local chat "businessmen" scammer would be willing or capable to invest and thereby is of higher "quality" than some threads in here...
And again: There is no tie between that site and my person at all other than this thread. So spare me the nonsense of clobbering this thread with pointless accusations, thank you.
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CarnegieSteel
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Posted - 2011.01.16 06:48:00 -
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I spoke to one of the marketers in game. If it isnt a scam (which it may or may not be - I make no judgment on that front), then it is a poorly run investment company. He told me they engage in daytrading of market goods, with no particular focus.
Just like in real life, I would steer clear of daytrading unless you know what you are doing. (Most people do not, and I wouldnt trust some random company to do it)
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Ovuu
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Posted - 2011.01.16 10:34:00 -
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Do you have testimonials from other pilots?
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.16 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: CarnegieSteel I spoke to one of the marketers in game. If it isnt a scam (which it may or may not be - I make no judgment on that front), then it is a poorly run investment company. He told me they engage in daytrading of market goods, with no particular focus.
Just like in real life, I would steer clear of daytrading unless you know what you are doing. (Most people do not, and I wouldnt trust some random company to do it)
Your comment about day trading in EVE OR rl is nonsense, fyi ;)
Lederstrumpf, you and the website have something in common .. the location! Whois it :P Unless I am mistaking your character name with something else that is.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.16 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 you and the website have something in common .. the location! Whois it :P Unless I am mistaking your character name with something else that is.
Doesn't make sense to me, but please go ahead and dive into detail.
I'm German, so is my nick (for background info on Lederstrumpf go see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leatherstocking_Tales ), whois/traceroute points me to some web hosting service(a quick check reveals 195.88.32.230 is serving **** and poker stuff, too)/registrar in .nl, not .de (http://myh2oservers.com/ ?).
Yes, Europe is Europe.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.16 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Caldariftw123 you and the website have something in common .. the location! Whois it :P Unless I am mistaking your character name with something else that is.
Doesn't make sense to me, but please go ahead and dive into detail.
I'm German, so is my nick (for background info on Lederstrumpf go see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leatherstocking_Tales ), whois/traceroute points me to some web hosting service(a quick check reveals 195.88.32.230 is serving **** and poker stuff, too)/registrar in .nl, not .de (http://myh2oservers.com/ ?).
Yes, Europe is Europe.
Ah I thought you were from the netherlands! Nvm :P I was just joking around, I don't REALLY think you have something to do with the site, just thought I'd have some fun with it. I hope you don't anyway, as it's a pretty ****-poor attempt at a scam.
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.16 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 16/01/2011 22:50:17 I was notified about this thread this weekend, and I can answer some of the questions being asked.
Before I do, I want to thank the people who look at us unprejudiced which is hard with the recent number of scams in EVE.
To answer your questions, Id like to introduce myself. Im behind Phaser Inc, together with Mordor Exuel. We both run Phaser Inc and do the advertising like a few of you noticed in the local chats in Dodixie, Amarr, Jita and Rens. Both Mordor and I are from the Netherlands. Caldariftw123 is right about that.
No matter what I say, I will never be able to give you 100% certainty we are a honest business. There are some facts that speak in our advance though.
First of all is our website. We have put a lot of effort making a website that offers a personal tracking account to manage your investment. We even implemented automated transaction handling this week. A scammer can do that too of course. So again, its not 100% certainty. But atleast it gives us some credit I hope.
Second fact is, we make ISK with the aquired investments. If we would steal the invested ISK, we would have to start all over again. New domain name, new investors, new everything. Its the question what would be more profitable. The scam or just trading with the investments and making a decent profit. Probably the scam, but is it worth to swindle a lot of people and killing a succesfull corporation? We think its not worth it. Again, no certainty. But this is how we feel.
Third fact is, investors are able to withdraw their money anytime and get it back into their wallet within 24 hours.
Those three things I wanted to mention. If people feel its not enough certainty, I can understand. Do not invest if you dont feel comfortable with it. We wont cheat on you, but you also have to be happy doing business with us. You have to decide yourself if its worth taking the risk.
Something Id like to respond to, is about CarnegieSteels post. Please dont judge us entirely based on the chat we had. You dont exactly know what we are doing, and you dont know how much expertise we have about financials/trading in and outside the game. If you think RL daytrading and EVE daytrading works the same way, you just might consider taking an investment account with us. Your money would be safer with us, than with you ;)
Last thing Id like to mention is about testimonials of other pilots. We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website. This is by request of several investors and we stick to it. But if any investor reads this topic, he or she is welcome to tell how he/she feels about Phaser Inc.
This is all I can tell about Phaser Inc at the moment. I hope this is what youve been looking for. Please feel free to contact Mordor or me with further questions. We will also follow this topic and reply if its neccesairy.
Regards,
Eddie Lampert and Mordor Exuel ------------------------------------------------ Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc. |
LiquidatorBrunt
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Posted - 2011.02.10 21:43:00 -
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what would be "most profitable" would be run it legit until it balloons and then get it to spread through word of mouth
and then run off with all the cash
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.10 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: LiquidatorBrunt what would be "most profitable" would be run it legit until it balloons and then get it to spread through word of mouth
and then run off with all the cash
You're some kind of genius, aren't you? Why are you wasting your time on EVE forums when you could be curing AIDs or inventing a non-finger-through toilet paper?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.02.10 21:52:00 -
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I gave Phaser Inc. a little bit of money.
Their website looks pretty spiffy and if it is a scam, then it deserves some reward for the effort :-)
If not, even better.
But as always: never invest more than you can afford (and are willing) to lose. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.11 09:15:00 -
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Quote:
non-finger-through toilet paper
When I tell people I learned English thru the forums, some don't believe. Yet, even today, an EvE player teached me a new "everyday life" bit that are so hard to find on dictionaries. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.11 11:13:00 -
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You can tell it's a scam, because all of there "Testimonials" have similar grammar, correct spelling and punctuation.
At least put a little work into making them seen like they came from different people.
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.11 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 11/02/2011 12:06:52
Originally by: Londo Cebb
You can tell it's a scam, because all of their "Testimonials" have similar grammar, correct spelling and punctuation.
At least put a little work into making them seen like they came from different people.
Funny to read this actually since I know all the testimonials are real. If you think they have similar grammar and punctuation, I suggest you consider reading them again. You just tried so hard finding stuff that fits your biased opinion, you ignored the facts.
If you think we are scam, Im completely fine with that. But don't try to make up any facts.
On the other hand, you just complemented almost 10 people with their ability to write without any spelling, grammar and punctuation errors :)
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Oh really ?
Read more carefully ;) It says WE don't mention any names on our website. The investors chose themselves to have their names displayed or not. Furthermore I'd like to add that the testimonial idea is because of requests from both visitors and investors aswell.
Bottom line: I don't care if you THINK we are scam. I don't like the backbiting based on some made up arguments.
------------------------------------------------ Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc. |
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.11 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Londo Cebb on 11/02/2011 12:48:30
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
You just tried so hard finding stuff that fits your biased opinion, you ignored the facts.
What facts? All I see is a site run by you, that you are telling me contains facts.
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
If you think we are scam, Im completely fine with that. But don't try to make up any facts.
I presented no facts in my original statement. Merely my opinion. Others are free to make their own determination.
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
Read more carefully ;) It says WE don't mention any names on our website. The investors chose themselves to have their names displayed or not. Furthermore I'd like to add that the testimonial idea is because of requests from both visitors and investors as well.
You run the site. You are displaying the names. Whether or not they chose to allow you to display the name has no bearing on the fact that you made a false statement.
Originally by: Eddie Lampert
Bottom line: I don't care if you THINK we are scam. I don't like the backbiting based on some made up arguments.
I don't care if you don't care that I think you are a scam. I did not make my original post for you. I made it so that maybe some poor sucker wont get ripped off by you. I'm not sure why I care about that though.
Also, I am a troll.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.02.11 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 11/02/2011 13:08:53
Originally by: Londo Cebb
You run the site. You are displaying the names. Whether or not they chose to allow you to display the name has no bearing on the fact that you made a false statement.
He didn't made a false statement, you're too ... erhm ... "challenged" when it comes to reading, it seems. From TFWS:
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Every day potential investors ask us for a reference. They like to talk to players doing business with us to ask them about their experiences. Since Phaser Inc has a strict policy not to mention any names on the website, we had to turn down those requests.
Increasingly however, investors asked us for some kind of testimonial functionality. They wanted to write a brief review of their experiences with Phaser Inc.
Because both potential investors and current investors ask for this feature, we decided to make an exception on the "no names displayed on the website" policy. We do offer a testimonial option now. The investors are given the option to stay anonymous or to publish their names.
-- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie Lampert We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website.
This statement is false. A simple addition like this:
Originally by: Eddie Lampert We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website without their permission.
Would make it a true statement.
It's semantics really. The site does mention investor names in the public section of the site.
If you work under the assumption that they really are investors and not alts or in on the scam *
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 11/02/2011 14:39:27
Originally by: Londo Cebb
Would make it a true statement.
It's semantics really. The site does mention investor names in the public section of the site.
If you work under the assumption that they really are investors and not alts or in on the scam *
True, it is semantics indeed. Let us stop annoying the topic follower :) ------------------------------------------------ Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc. |
Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:43:00 -
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Thank you for admitting that I am right.
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Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.11 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 11/02/2011 14:50:58 Only the "It is about semantics" part ------------------------------------------------ Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc. |
Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:09:00 -
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We shall see. I put about 30 minutes worth of work to them. If anything the website is slick and deserves a little reward. We shall see. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:11:00 -
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So who wants to make a bet on an over/under on when these guys will stop processing "withdrawals"?
Before or after EBANK issues shares?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand So who wants to make a bet on an over/under on when these guys will stop processing "withdrawals"?
Before or after EBANK issues shares?
Why so negative? They setup their thing, they are already running it (so it's too late), they are not bothering anyone.
Being suspicious is good but to automatically presume guilt is not going to bring anywhere. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Kalrand So who wants to make a bet on an over/under on when these guys will stop processing "withdrawals"?
Before or after EBANK issues shares?
Why so negative? They setup their thing, they are already running it (so it's too late), they are not bothering anyone.
Being suspicious is good but to automatically presume guilt is not going to bring anywhere.
I'm pretty negative on any business that survives by advertising in the local chat of market hubs.
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