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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.09 00:35:00 -
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This seems like a really good investment for someone who knows they won't have an active subscription for a while.
I'm considering it...
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Mella Elcus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Mella Elcus on 09/03/2011 02:33:45 A minimum of 20% interest per month you say? More than any other IPO/bond currently (perhaps even ever?) out there? Sorry for pointing out the obvious, but this is either a charity or a scam...
Originally by: Companion Qube I'm surprised no one has used the word ponzi yet. Whoever is running "phaser inc" is doing exactly the same thing Reithe did with Deison's Investment Fund. Sorry kids, if this is your first "investment" in eve you might as well kiss your money goodbye.
Exactly. Give people a pretty website, let them actually "see" their iskies grow. For some reason it works every time...
Edit: On second thought I take it all back, with all the work you've put into this scam since early january you've definately earned all isk you can get your hands on.
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Iznu Vega
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Posted - 2011.03.14 17:08:00 -
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If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion. I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.14 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Iznu Vega If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion. I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
Why? If it turns out to be a scam and they steal your isk it doesn't prove they are smart, it just proves you are dumb.
If it's not a scam, then they not so good at developing a customer base (jita local spam, seriously?), they pay a high %, higher than they'd have to if they approached it as a proper bond/IPO via MD or people they know in game, etc.
There's nothing super smart about all of this.
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.14 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Iznu Vega If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion. I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
Why? If it turns out to be a scam and they steal your isk it doesn't prove they are smart, it just proves you are dumb.
If it's not a scam, then they not so good at developing a customer base (jita local spam, seriously?), they pay a high %, higher than they'd have to if they approached it as a proper bond/IPO via MD or people they know in game, etc.
There's nothing super smart about all of this.
consequently you can argue that anyone that invests in bonds or un-collateralized "loans" are dumb as well.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.14 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: egola
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Iznu Vega If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion. I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
Why? If it turns out to be a scam and they steal your isk it doesn't prove they are smart, it just proves you are dumb.
If it's not a scam, then they not so good at developing a customer base (jita local spam, seriously?), they pay a high %, higher than they'd have to if they approached it as a proper bond/IPO via MD or people they know in game, etc.
There's nothing super smart about all of this.
consequently you can argue that anyone that invests in bonds or un-collateralized "loans" are dumb as well.
That's a leap of logic right there as some bonds/loans are more obviously stupid scams than others. Some people made a lot of isk investing in MD, what they did not do however is put money into things like "Phaser Inc." The part that makes Iznu dumb is that, despite the obvious flaws in this 'business' and the number of questions raised by people in the thread, he put isk in anyway "to see whether it is a scam or not" you cannot test someone's honesty by giving them and telling them you are testing them, it's utter nonsense. ;D
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Iznu Vega
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: egola
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Iznu Vega If this is a scam its a pretty good one in my opinion. I have a small amount invested, and if it turns out to be a scam i think these guys deserve to get paid.
If anyone can come up with anything other than speculations please post it.
Why? If it turns out to be a scam and they steal your isk it doesn't prove they are smart, it just proves you are dumb.
If it's not a scam, then they not so good at developing a customer base (jita local spam, seriously?), they pay a high %, higher than they'd have to if they approached it as a proper bond/IPO via MD or people they know in game, etc.
There's nothing super smart about all of this.
consequently you can argue that anyone that invests in bonds or un-collateralized "loans" are dumb as well.
That's a leap of logic right there as some bonds/loans are more obviously stupid scams than others. Some people made a lot of isk investing in MD, what they did not do however is put money into things like "Phaser Inc." The part that makes Iznu dumb is that, despite the obvious flaws in this 'business' and the number of questions raised by people in the thread, he put isk in anyway "to see whether it is a scam or not" you cannot test someone's honesty by giving them and telling them you are testing them, it's utter nonsense. ;D
You need to relax.. i dont care if this is a scam or not, you have no reason to either.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 ...
Is it me or do you like to call scam on every thread out there, except those started by a very select few people? It is also my expirence that this MD forum is NOT the only place out there to look for investments and that very few of the Eve population actually frequent these forums.
Anywho what I can tell you is that after my initial investment I was paid on time as promised every week. I upped my investment to 100Mil and got my properly adjusted payout today. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.14 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kneebone
Originally by: Caldariftw123 ...
Is it me or do you like to call scam on every thread out there, except those started by a very select few people?
It's you.
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Christinia
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Posted - 2011.03.17 02:39:00 -
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I have invested a 170m into Phaser Inc. atm, pocket change really, but with time they will grow, we will see how long this last.
i will try to make a weekly update on progession, my investment account is running on reinvest so rather of getting a small payout every week, ill allow the money to grow more and more, if i get scammed, so be it, they made a effort out of the website, but it would be a first then for me , to get scammed that is, i have never done late night / drunk nights trading or any of the sorts, can be an expensive business in eve :).
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2011.03.17 03:00:00 -
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..So Phaser Inc. Has put up BPOs? Moon goo? PI mats? No? How unique...
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Christinia
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Posted - 2011.03.17 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..So Phaser Inc. Has put up BPOs? Moon goo? PI mats? No? How unique...
Don't know their investment method and frankly i couldnt care less, its a small time investment im making.
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Chippin
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Posted - 2011.03.17 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Christinia
Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..So Phaser Inc. Has put up BPOs? Moon goo? PI mats? No? How unique...
Don't know their investment method and frankly i couldnt care less, its a small time investment im making.
Ah well, you know what they say about Ponzis--make sure you get in at the ground floor.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.03.19 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Why so negative? They setup their thing, they are already running it (so it's too late), they are not bothering anyone.
Just quoting. Don't mind me. . .
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Companion Qube
Minmatar Electron Conservation Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.20 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chippin
Originally by: Christinia
Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..So Phaser Inc. Has put up BPOs? Moon goo? PI mats? No? How unique...
Don't know their investment method and frankly i couldnt care less, its a small time investment im making.
Ah well, you know what they say about Ponzis--make sure you get in at the ground floor.
And get out on the ground floor too, while they're still building their rep and they need to pay you back.
Here's a bit of fun during DT, these people are either friends or alts of Eddie:
smacks http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1484350&page=1#1
Gnulpie http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=1#17
Kneebone http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=1#27 ?? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#51 testimonial bump
Romulus IXI http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#35
Seven Sins http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#37
Vicious Cell http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#56 positive fluff bump
CaptainSyler http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=2#58 testimonial bump
Corina's Bodyguard http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=3#61 positive "fluff"/testimonial bump
Iznu Vega http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=3#67 friend, or main's alt - white knighting vs. "those trolls"
Kneebone http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=3#68 another white knight/alt/friend posting vs. "those trolls"
Christinia http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1449102&page=3#70 testimonial
I'm not motivated enough to play intarwebz detective and troll through their post histories at eve-search, but you'll probably be able to cluster the majority of those and find some further common affiliations.
Assume that all fluff bumps and white knight posts are alts or friends (or friends' alts) and you're well on your way to figuring out who's associated with Eddie Lampert. Have fun.
drunkpoasting best poasting |
Casanunda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.20 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Casanunda on 20/03/2011 12:11:37 I took a minor risk and invested 50 million with Phaser on the reinvest option, so far the balance on my account appears to add up. The only real way to tell if it's a scam or not is when I decide to withdraw my investment, which won't be for some time yet as I'm letting the balance ride until the overall payout or the weekly 5% becomes a worthwhile sum.
If it is a scam I get burnt, if it's not then I made a wise investment. Either way it's only spaceship credits.
If you think it's a scam, my advice is don't invest. If you're willing to take a risk, and lets face it any investment is a risk especially with the amount of scams "trusted" MD members pull off, then it's entirely your choice as to what you risk your isk on.
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Companion Qube
Minmatar Electron Conservation Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.20 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Casanunda Edited by: Casanunda on 20/03/2011 12:11:37 I took a minor risk and invested 50 million with Phaser on the reinvest option, so far the balance on my account appears to add up. The only real way to tell if it's a scam or not is when I decide to withdraw my investment, which won't be for some time yet as I'm letting the balance ride until the overall payout or the weekly 5% becomes a worthwhile sum.
If it is a scam I get burnt, if it's not then I made a wise investment. Either way it's only spaceship credits.
If you think it's a scam, my advice is don't invest. If you're willing to take a risk, and lets face it any investment is a risk especially with the amount of scams "trusted" MD members pull off, then it's entirely your choice as to what you risk your isk on.
Sup phaser alt?
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
non-finger-through toilet paper
When I tell people I learned English thru the forums, some don't believe [it]. Yet, even today, an EvE player teached me a new "everyday life" bit that are so hard to find on [in] dictionaries.
Obviously you still fail at distinguishing between singular and plural verbs, amongst other things. Do keep trying though, little buddy!
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Casanunda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Casanunda on 20/03/2011 13:34:00 Phaser Alt?, nope don't think so, didn't have any dealings with Phaser until about 4 weeks ago, and I hardly think the fact that I have an investment with them makes me an alt. In fact if you look me up ingame I've been playing for just under 2 years, so not exactly a recently created alt either.
Like I said, if I get burned I get burned, 50 mill is hardly a sizeable amount of isk to lose.
This character has hardly any forum postings which may seem a little suspect, I mainly post on my trading alt
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2011.03.20 13:40:00 -
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SG-1 Season 10 Episode 12 - Line in the sand.
Black Sun Empire |
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Iznu Vega
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Posted - 2011.03.20 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Companion Qube
Iznu Vega friend, or main's alt - white knighting vs. "those trolls" only post on eve-o
Posting to confirm that Companion Qube is pulling information out his arse.
As a follow-up on my previous post, I am convinced that Phaser inc is a scam/ponzi. That is however my own personal conclusion, i have no proof.
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the xinc
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Posted - 2011.03.21 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: the xinc on 21/03/2011 06:06:35 great service :)
http://iforce.co.nz/i/u0jouo04.on1.png
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Lulu Jinsa
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Posted - 2011.03.30 01:53:00 -
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So you invest say 20 mil and get burned. No big deal. Go kill a couple of rats and your positive again. It is a fun experiment and just another facet of why I like this game so much. If you are a muture player in Eve, you know to spread your risk across several revenue streams. "Don't put all your eggs in one basket". It will be fun and entertaining to see how long these guys last doing this before they get tired of crunching numbers or tired of answering the hate mail. Good Luck to All!
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Charles Dalbert
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Posted - 2011.03.30 07:35:00 -
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It's clearly a Ponzi scheme.
The way this works is to run for a few months, pay out perhaps 30% of the total invested in dividends to reassure folks it's legit, and then walk off with the remaining 70% of capital (remember each week more and more gullible fools will invest)
This is all perfectly legal within the rules of Eve - and there is no banking protection legislation within Eve...
Don't beleive me? Think about how it could work legally. Phaserinc doesn't offer loans. You can play the Market in Eve and make 5% per week, but it's hard work. Why should they work legitimately for 'ship credits' when a Ponzi scheme is much simpler to run and much more lucrative?
Not quite ship credits either. A 1.8bn Isk investment in Phaserinc would pay sufficient interest monthly to buy a Plex - ie make Eve free to play. Sounds attractive until you realise that's Ç180 in real money, and you're almost certain to lose it within another 8-12 weeks.
'if it's too good top be true, then it isn't true". Caveat emptor.
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Charles Dalbert
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Posted - 2011.03.30 07:55:00 -
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Also been done before, in 2006
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=381421
Probably waiting till they've got over a trillion Isk invested before they cash in this time ... Last time the take was only 700billion, prompting all kinds of interested speculation about whether the scanners should pay real world taxes...
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Charles Dalbert
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Posted - 2011.03.30 08:39:00 -
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Apologies - miscalculated above. 1.8th Isk is more like Ç60. Nevertheless.
1 trillion would still be over Ç30000...
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Electus Ereptor
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:45:00 -
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I am at a loss. I mean I knew people were stupid, but people in here are actually giving this guy money? Take it from me, this is a scam.
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Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Companion Qube .
Wow, I feel really special! You listed me twice! Speculation and Ignorance tend to go hand is hand.
Simple fact is I saw it, decided to invest a bit, got my ISK as promised, invested a bit more, still getting my ISK. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.30 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: egola on 30/03/2011 17:07:55 the lack of sarcasm from the acusee's really DOES make you think they're alts. time to invest to confirm the running suspicion that they're all MY ALTS
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Lola LaTrailera
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:25:00 -
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As someone mentioned. Just be sure to get in early,
1. Deposit cash 2. Wait for first 5% payment 3. Withdraw everything 4. ? 5. Profit
This is still new so they need to keep up appearances before the ponzi bubble bursts
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