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Reami Sotsku
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Posted - 2011.01.16 07:22:00 -
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something everyone in eve should know that could be a danger in they're corps long prosperity. Indy corp especially are at risk to a hyperinflation and Jita might crash if to many corps invest in such assets. It has come to my attention that super manufacturing corporations and industrial ones alike can and will drive commodity prices through the absolute threshold of what has been deemed possible.
We are already experiencing a increase of these sales from ammo to cattle. Over the years tracking certain valuables such as ammo of all variants, as well as dog tags the prices have shot up in value 200% over 3 years. And with the expected incarna which will explode the new customer base brought to CCP through its Walking in stations, Character Creator revamp, and I expect eve to grow over the next 1 year of 35%. We are already seeing this, 59k players logged in for 2 days of last week. and saw another 57k player spike in this last week. Imagine up to 78k of players and most likely 27k competing in major markets such as Jita, Rens, and Amarr. Every one will want a piece of the pie, every new player will out drive prices causing most to explode.
The key factors of this are: The revamp of the t2 ammo Making Regular consumables player controlled i.e robotics, Enriched uranium, and mechanics. An increased player base.
Imagine just regular ammo from a standard large crystal of lets say 100 Inter Stellar Kredits to 500 isk. Now what about Faction ammo with the regular player base increased it will mean more mission runners which then ppl can produce huge quantites of that same ammo turn it around for LP thus giving faction ammo prices which would normally be 200 isk and possibly rise to 600 isk.
And we've seen since Planetary Interaction was granted a slight rise then drop of POS fuels and now is back on the rise through many markets. They rose 10% in a month and then 15% and has since steadily grew from June to December. By this time next year its expected so alliances have to strain themselves to just keep running a small pos. Aswell as a 45% rise from present to the fuels themselves.
What can you do?? To avoid being disparately broke invest in all sorts of fuel, ammo, and consumables especially drugs. and when you see the markets take off like a friggin' space ship SELL SELL SELL. Also invest in small bpo's like frigs up to cruisers these will be high demand during the next year, also during the next few months and increase of price in battle cruisers and battle ships are expected to rise. Another sort of investment is a 30 PLEX these have grown up to 48% in the last 6 months, in the next 6 a 10% growth. With in a year the free to play option will go to the insanely rich.
Sign this petition to let the CSM and CCP know that they need to do something about a potential hyperintlating market!!!
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masternerdguy
Gallente Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2011.01.16 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: masternerdguy on 16/01/2011 07:27:29 reserved for future posting.
Future post incoming:
I agree there is inflation in eve, due to the severe amount of isk hoarding performed by hi sec carebears who are too green to part with any of their 45 billion isk.
As a result I propose that we have to file tax returns once a year, like in the real world. This would add an element of realism and would take huge amounts of isk from the hoarders and make it vanish.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.01.16 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy reserved for future posting.
Uhhhh what -- Need a break from EVE? |
Reami Sotsku
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Posted - 2011.01.16 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy Edited by: masternerdguy on 16/01/2011 07:27:29 reserved for future posting.
Future post incoming:
I agree there is inflation in eve, due to the severe amount of isk hoarding performed by hi sec carebears who are too green to part with any of their 45 billion isk.
As a result I propose that we have to file tax returns once a year, like in the real world. This would add an element of realism and would take huge amounts of isk from the hoarders and make it vanish.
or increase materials for building consumables and reevaluate the value of a single isk.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.01.16 07:48:00 -
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I'm sorry. Can you repeat this in English? Maybe Market Discussions would be a better place for this topic?
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died - |
Ovella
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Posted - 2011.01.16 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm sorry. Can you repeat this in English? Maybe Market Discussions would be a better place for this topic?
-Liang
Oh, it simple: he placed it all at the end, thankfuly:
Originally by: Reami Sotsku To avoid being disparately broke invest in all sorts of fuel, ammo, and consumables especially drugs...
TL;DR I have fuel and drug stockpiles so buy that from me... oh, and don't forget about PLEXes! |
mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.01.16 08:08:00 -
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Sorry, apart from being extremely hard to understand, your post makes no economic sense either.
The only thing that even might be a bit true is what you said about PLEX. New players buy PLEX though, so in the short term PLEX prices would fall. The real consumers of PLEX are the established players, and illegal RMT elements. If we got a massive influx of new players, and then the player base was stagnant for 2 years, then PLEX would spike extremely high. As long as the player base grows at a slightly increasing rate over time, PLEX is stable.
PI would fall from new players, mineral prices would probably fall too (PI and mining are things new players generally do, players generally move on to 0.0 warfare, wormholes, etc).
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Rovan Stargazer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.16 08:12:00 -
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I don't know who was your economy teacher, but he has clearly done a poor job teaching you about inflation.
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Reami Sotsku
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Posted - 2011.01.16 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech Sorry, apart from being extremely hard to understand, your post makes no economic sense either.
The only thing that even might be a bit true is what you said about PLEX. New players buy PLEX though, so in the short term PLEX prices would fall. The real consumers of PLEX are the established players, and illegal RMT elements. If we got a massive influx of new players, and then the player base was stagnant for 2 years, then PLEX would spike extremely high. As long as the player base grows at a slightly increasing rate over time, PLEX is stable.
PI would fall from new players, mineral prices would probably fall too (PI and mining are things new players generally do, players generally move on to 0.0 warfare, wormholes, etc).
but the influx that is expected could damage the demand of things. thats what you need to worry about.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.16 08:15:00 -
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(a) Dr. EyjoG seems to care a lot more about inflation than most players I know of. Looking at the price indices in the devblogs I can't see any evidence for hyperinflation whatsoever.
(b) if you see prices rise, then sell sell sell? better hope you're trolling.
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Reami Sotsku
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Posted - 2011.01.16 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
(a) Dr. EyjoG seems to care a lot more about inflation than most players I know of. Looking at the price indices in the devblogs I can't see any evidence for hyperinflation whatsoever.
(b) if you see prices rise, then sell sell sell? better hope you're trolling.
I ment buy it sorry
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.01.16 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech Sorry, apart from being extremely hard to understand, your post makes no economic sense either.
I couldn't parse it well enough to ascertain its economic validity. It seems like a troll/market manipulation. But, I'm an engineer, not an economist. :)
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died - |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.16 10:38:00 -
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There is inflation? Prices of Ravens (by the way is my favourite ship) is still more or less the same as it was many years ago. In fact, there is deflation. LOL. 2003 Raven price was 99M. Today, it is 80M. LOL.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.01.16 10:40:00 -
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I have a trader alt that makes serious bank on predicting suck inflation
Getting pretty good at my market-fu too, made 50m isk profit in an hour on a lucky break
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.16 11:09:00 -
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OP double failed. With the content and the post location. --------------------------------------
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2011.01.16 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Juliette DuBois on 16/01/2011 12:06:34 Edited by: Juliette DuBois on 16/01/2011 12:05:47 Hyperinflation can`t happen like in real world since CCP is not literally handing over money to customers (lol central banking system). Now, bots and such do contribute greatly to money supply growth but there is no way they can make it go up thousands of percents every year. I`m personally very tired of people complaining about few things going up as price, this is perfectly normal since EVE does not have as many money sinks as it has faucets.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.01.16 12:28:00 -
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Hmm, overall inflation currently at 5% according to the recent CSM minutes, according to the last qen the majority of that inflation was caused by PI. Looks fairly healthy to me.
There is an outside chance that due to recent economic difficulties the Icelandic government has been forced to call on Zimbabwe for aid. After sufficient retraining Dr EyjoG shall be implementing mugabenomics.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.01.16 12:54:00 -
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Hyperinflation is something that will hit USA for sure as soon as their $$$ will stop being reserve curreny. ( which will happen soon ). Just look what chinese do with $. Sell as fast as possbile while not crashing the market.
You should worry about that much much more.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.01.16 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm sorry. Can you repeat this in English? Maybe Market Discussions would be a better place for this topic?
-Liang
Are you saying people in MD don't speak English?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2011.01.16 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 16/01/2011 13:26:53
Originally by: Reami Sotsku Sign this petition to let the CSM and CCP know that they need to do something about a potential hyperintlating market!!!
From what I remember from reading the QEN there are no hyperinflation or deflation for that sake in EVE. But even if there was CCP should do NOTHING about the case since that would be to interfere with the player economy. Some things are best regulated by its own in the game.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.01.16 16:06:00 -
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Stuff like ammo inflates because industrial players tend to move out of it to make bigger things instead. Margin is good, but at that volume, you won't be getting rich on making ammo.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.16 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Hyperinflation is something that will hit USA for sure as soon as their $$$ will stop being reserve curreny. ( which will happen soon ). Just look what chinese do with $. Sell as fast as possbile while not crashing the market.
You should worry about that much much more.
So should you, genius.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.16 16:42:00 -
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OP is wrong!
Originally by: "Dr. Eyjo" There has been deflation in the EVE economy over the course of the years with two sharp turns in June 2005 (building outposts in Exodus and more) and in December 2006 (tech II invention in Revelations).
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Kestrix
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Posted - 2011.01.16 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy file tax returns once a year, like in the real world.
I don't think I've ever filed a tax return? We must live in differnt real worlds... or you could be wrong. Ether way hands off my huge amounts of ISK I stuff my mattress with!
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.16 19:32:00 -
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Might happen, but it'll be primarily because of bots/macros not because of any of the factors you mention.
CCP needs to address the bot/macro issue or at least remove local in 0.0 until they do.
Of course, the last time CCP did what they were supposed to do was ? Oh yeah, when they backtracked on microtransactions. So maybe there IS hope.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.16 19:39:00 -
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moved from General Discussion
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.16 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida moved from General Discussion
Is this where we dump the trash now?
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.01.16 20:03:00 -
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And here i was so happy when i noticed this earlier on being in the general discussion forum even after someone mentioned to post it in market discussion halfway the thread ...
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.01.16 20:47:00 -
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Excuse me, but I'm confused about the interpretation of reality here. Doesn't talking about something as if it were real, say like talking about hyperinflation in Eve, depend on the thing being real first?
Also, reserved for future posting in case God rewrites the past or feeds some brains to certain people so that this thread makes sense.
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Anonymous Lemming
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Posted - 2011.01.16 23:44:00 -
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the thing that seems to be overlooked is the lack of inflation tbh. Theres an ungodly amount of isk floating around and half the player base is rolling in enough most to buy a mothership(see super caps online). Theres no middle class in eve, either ur broke or you bill gates. High sec isnt the problem either, them carebears hoarding billions are a great isk sink, its 0.0 producing billions and billions a day out of thin air and ****ting out super caps.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:18:00 -
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The numerous spelling errors lead me to believe you thought out your arguments about as well as you proofread them.
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Cleansing Spite
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:34:00 -
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I find it amusing that, like most banana republics, California, and Weimar Germany the solution to hyperinflation is regarded to be as simple as the creation of a new currency to "reset" the current market dynamic. Which, of course, will only lead to more inflation in the new currency given that none of the market fundamentals have changed.
Also, I'd caution against pinpointing specific causes. ISK is created in a variety of ways by the game system, but it is destroyed in very few. Defining specific ways to destroy the currency is likely to fix prices for certain things, which has its own problems.
The real solution is to find a source of long-term debt, convert it into assets, and simply wait. The interest rates people charge in EVE are stupid low relative to inflation, to say nothing of the capital risk.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.17 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cleansing Spite I find it amusing that, like most banana republics, California, and Weimar Germany the solution to hyperinflation is regarded to be as simple as the creation of a new currency to "reset" the current market dynamic. Which, of course, will only lead to more inflation in the new currency given that none of the market fundamentals have changed.
IRL hyperinflation is usually not an accident but a conscious decision.
Hasn't much to do with "market fundamentals".
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Cash Tree
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:18:00 -
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OP has no idea what he is talking about.
Furthermore, read the quarterly economic newsletter. You would find out deflation is the more common occurrence as measured by the CPI. Eve follows a boom bust cycle based on expansions, prices rise prior to and immediately after, then stagnate or fall. The net effect of inflation in eve across a wide range of products is't particularly poignant. To that effect, I imagine the PLEX system also works as sort of pseudo monetary policy to help fight potential inflation.
You cannot measure inflation based on only a couple of goods. That is not inflation.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cash Tree Furthermore, read the quarterly economic newsletter. You would find out deflation is the more common occurrence as measured by the CPI.
Read the CSM minutes/CSM blogs and you'll find that Dr. EyjoG is currently very concerned about inflation.
So while deflation might have been more common in the past, inflation is the present and CCP apparently prefers slight deflation to slight inflation.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Cash Tree Furthermore, read the quarterly economic newsletter. You would find out deflation is the more common occurrence as measured by the CPI.
Read the CSM minutes/CSM blogs and you'll find that Dr. EyjoG is currently very concerned about inflation.
So while deflation might have been more common in the past, inflation is the present and CCP apparently prefers slight deflation to slight inflation.
what they are worried about is player's activity. as long as deflation/inflation follows player's activity, everything is fine. once it becomes anomalous, it becomes a symptom of a problem. namely, why are prices rising if demand stays the same. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Inbrainsane
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Posted - 2011.01.17 10:41:00 -
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Indeed, we see hyperinflation.
Hyper-inflationary use of exclamation marks, capital letters and very bad posting.
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Cleansing Spite
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II IRL hyperinflation is usually not an accident but a conscious decision.
Hasn't much to do with "market fundamentals".
It depends on the position of the nation in which hyperinflation takes place. Some nations use them to escape onerous debt burdens (often self-inflicted ones). Other nations fall into a cycle of inflation because they're incapable of controlling market fundamentals - Argentina's water supply comes to mind - consequently motivating money-printing in an attempt to temporarily prevent pricing issues from prompting civil unrest.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: PinkFish on 17/01/2011 20:12:34
CCP overlooked HYPERTROLLING!!!!!!!!!
*edited to add more !*
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Khyara
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:46:00 -
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OH NOES!!!!!!!
Can I please give you all of my money and then you can spend it effectively to counter this horrible "hyper-inflation" beast??
What shall I do?? I knowz....Ill just buy fuel and ammo of course...
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This post assumes a pitiful level of intelligence amonst the EVE player base, which I dont think is true personally.
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Bruce Carraway
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Posted - 2011.01.18 00:27:00 -
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BUY BUY BUY!!!!!!!
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Asik Rova
Unlimited Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.18 05:38:00 -
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i think what hes trying to say is that we're in a perfectly heatlthy economic state, the prices are rising, more new players mean more stuff bought, then more people produce more stuff that people wont buy(deflation starts here). Then CCP releases WIS and more new players come and the cycle returns.
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