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Inepsa1987
Strategic Terror
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Posted - 2011.09.26 01:32:00 -
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I know EVE is not a simple game, and its not an easy one. I do however think its pretty easy to define what EVE really is.
EVE is a brutal and unforgiving world of PVP backed up by some pretty dedicated industrialists to keep everything moving. EVE cannot survive without both of these things working in unison.
CCP sells EVE as a unique MMO that allows you to fly in a massive universe and do tons of cool stuff. I'll provide you with just a snippet of what a new player will see while checking out EVE, and a link for the lazies.
DOMINATE YOUR ENEMIES
What is your definition of epic combat? Is it fleets of hundreds clashing in battle? Is it war for control of entire constellations?
Does high risk PvP get your blood racing? 1000+ ship fleet battles - hundreds of ship types - thousands of ship module options
Why is CCP advertising one thing, and producing another? They are not developing this content out, and have not been for years.
So what is eve really? EVE is stagnant. Players were brought in with promises of epic combat and 1000+ fleet battles and were given PI click fests and the ability to watch an animated avatar walk around in his bedroom. A lot of people in eve like to fly spaceships, go figure, but flying them the same way and flying the same thing over and over again does get tiring. You have to produce large amounts of new material to keep people wanting to play the game.
I feel like the only thing that is still holding this fantastic game together is its awesome community. |
Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2011.09.26 02:30:00 -
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Is this honestly the first product you've ever purchased in your life where it doesn't live up to your expectation?
Son, you're in for a world of disappointment... |
Inepsa1987
Strategic Terror
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Posted - 2011.09.26 03:44:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:Is this honestly the first product you've ever purchased in your life where it doesn't live up to your expectation?
Son, you're in for a world of disappointment...
This is the first product I have ever been this disappointed with.
The world is usually dissapointing, I'm just glad I don't have to go through it as you. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.26 03:48:00 -
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Quote:Players were brought in with promises of epic combat and 1000+ fleet battles You're new here aren't you? They have been going on for a long time. It doesn't happen ALL the time mind - unless there is a major sov push, epic fleets like this just don't happen.
However, I've been involved in several 200+ fleets and I've only been playing 2.5 years in total. Try undocking from Jita or join an active 0.0 alliance man!
Quote:.....and were given PI click fests and the ability to watch an animated avatar walk around in his bedroom. Both of these were never "instead" of 1000+ fleet battles. These battles have and do happen (see above) and they did a long time before PI and CQ ever showed up. Besides, both PI and walking around are optional.
Quote:A lot of people in eve like to fly spaceships, go figure, but flying them the same way and flying the same thing over and over again does get tiring. I have more ships in my hangars than I can count and every one is different. Speed/Tank/DPS.... EVERYTHING is different. So not quite sure where this conclusion is drawn from. Try some.
In my time alone, as short as it is, I've seen Sov, WH's, Incursions and of course, Incarna, which by and large was a bit of a flop but it IS intended to fit in as major additions later.
We're in for a few surprises soon enough so I wouldn't be rushing back to play [whatever MMO you came from] just yet. Have some patience young fella. Ya just might enjoy the ride Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
Inepsa1987
Strategic Terror
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Posted - 2011.09.26 03:50:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:Players were brought in with promises of epic combat and 1000+ fleet battles You're new here aren't you? They have been going on for a long time. It doesn't happen ALL the time mind - unless there is a major sov push, epic fleets like this just don't happen. However, I've been involved in several 200+ fleets and I've only been playing 2.5 years in total. Try undocking from Jita or join an active 0.0 alliance man! Quote:.....and were given PI click fests and the ability to watch an animated avatar walk around in his bedroom. Both of these were never "instead" of 1000+ fleet battles. These battles have and do happen (see above) and they did a long time before PI and CQ ever showed up. Besides, both PI and walking around are optional. Quote:A lot of people in eve like to fly spaceships, go figure, but flying them the same way and flying the same thing over and over again does get tiring. I have more ships in my hangars than I can count and every one is different. Speed/Tank/DPS.... EVERYTHING is different. So not quite sure where this conclusion is drawn from. Try some. In my time alone, as short as it is, I've seen Sov, WH's, Incursions and of course, Incarna, which by and large was a bit of a flop but it IS intended to fit in as major additions later. We're in for a few surprises soon enough so I wouldn't be rushing back to play [whatever MMO you came from] just yet. Have some patience young fella. Ya just might enjoy the ride
Lols. Ive done all this stuff man.
edit: Dude, I actually went back through and read what you wrote, and it seems like you have not been playing the game but for a few days. Your last few lines kept me laughing for a bit, gimme another. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.26 03:57:00 -
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You have. So wtf are you on about then?
Wait........ Doh. Sorry. You're bored! I get it.
Forget everything I said man. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
Inepsa1987
Strategic Terror
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Posted - 2011.09.26 03:59:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:You have. So wtf are you on about then?
Wait........ Doh. Sorry. You're bored! I get it.
Forget everything I said man.
Try and tell me that 1000 man battles function well.
In the past year, they have added little to no content to flying in space and fleet battles. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.09.26 04:06:00 -
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Quote:Try and tell me that 1000 man battles function well. They don't, agreed, (at least not on a reo node) but it's well known and Team Gridlock is on it. Pretty serious technical reasons why too. Go read about them.
Quote:In the past year, they have added little to no content to flying in space and fleet battles. Again, very true. Again, it's also well know and is also being worked on.
What I'm trying to point out is that unless you ARE new OR have had your head up the proverbial for the last 3 months then the whole "Eve is dying/stagnant crap" has been done to death, done to death and then done to death.
Please read entire forums first and proceed.
As you were soldier. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
Inepsa1987
Strategic Terror
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Posted - 2011.09.26 04:16:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:Try and tell me that 1000 man battles function well. They don't, agreed, (at least not on a reo node) but it's well known and Team Gridlock is on it. Pretty serious technical reasons why too. Go read about them. Quote:In the past year, they have added little to no content to flying in space and fleet battles. Again, very true. Again, it's also well know and is also being worked on. What I'm trying to point out is that unless you ARE new OR have had your head up the proverbial for the last 3 months then the whole "Eve is dying/stagnant crap" has been done to death, done to death and then done to death. Please read entire forums first and proceed. As you were soldier.
I agree Team Gridlock has done some great work, and has decreased lag and increased player enjoyment by tons. More than any other CCP team imo. They still don't function, I wouldn't advertise something my business doesn't actually give out.
No "im working on it" excuses dont cut it anymore. Im not necessarily saying eve is dying, rather not growing. It doesnt take years to push out content to a MMO. I would be happy if they just added new usable ships to eve.
I have read all the forums, and my question still stands as it has not been answered.
EVE - What is it really? |
Rendaw
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
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Posted - 2011.09.26 04:27:00 -
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OP is right tbh.
Great trailers are one thing, spending most of your days in empty null sec, having russians spam necro pics of dead women in local, while outnumbering you 20-1 is not GF, nor normal.
When u log in, and it says 30k people online, take into account how many are alts, cynoalts, spies etc. I would be shocked if more than 9000 people are actully playing eve at any one time. There are dead MMOs from the early 2000's that pull a larger crowed.
CCP need to totally rethink things. But then, those guys thought the solution to carriers, was super carriers, what next, we all get to start making death stars?
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Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.09.26 04:28:00 -
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For me the most exciting moments were in small fleets no more than 30. Everyone in affordable stuff like BS and down., especially when outnumbered or disadvantaged. EVE is boring if you only undock being completely sure you are what is going to happen. Sometimes its better to not look before jumping. |
Mystic5hadow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.26 06:29:00 -
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There is a lot to do in EVE, just like real life. Also, just like real life, EVE is boring if you let it be boring.
GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING! Nobody is making you do the same stuff over and over again. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.09.26 06:53:00 -
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What is EVE to you? One thing can be said, it's a great potential. Realizing this potential takes imagination, real planning and concerted effort - be it your lone sense of possibility, or that of the group you may be in.
This question you ask is similar to what I'm asked when I show paintings (usually by someone who is pretending to be uber philosophical and ultra aesthetically sensible): What does it mean? Invariably painters, I among them, will reply (for the thousandth time) What does it mean to YOU?
Of course, it'll be one thing to you, and something else entirely to someone else. This makes your question ridiculous, and you a.) Either new that when you asked it...that it has no answer, or b.) you didn't pick up many critical thinking skills in your woefully inadequate education and must be told the obvious, which will zoom over your head when you're told.
What is EVE? EVE is a computer game...betcha didn't know that, didja?
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.09.26 07:08:00 -
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Inepsa1987 wrote:I know EVE is not a simple game, and its not an easy one. I do however think its pretty easy to define what EVE really is. GǪ
I feel like the only thing that is still holding this fantastic game together is its awesome community.
Do you see how you answered your own question there? EVE Online is a sandbox game, or virtual world. It is exactly the community that make the game, all the technology behind the game is just there to provide the props and scenery for the player-driven world to work.
The game is quite capable of hosting hundreds of ships per side in fights, it's just a matter of finding the people to fight with.
If you're getting bored with the game, you need to find something different to do. If you're bored of the ship you're currently flying, find something else to fly, or a different way to fly it. Don't blame the game for your lack of imagination, or your inability to get yourself out of a rut.
So you've been flying L4 missions for Caldari Navy in your Tengu for six months and can't find something new to do? You just have to look around, and be prepared to accept that enjoyment is not only measured in ISK/hr.
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.26 07:44:00 -
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It's a series of tubes.
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Naran Eto
Kut-n-Run
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Posted - 2011.09.26 07:50:00 -
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Rendaw wrote: . I would be shocked if more than 9000 people are actully playing eve at any one time. There are dead MMOs from the early 2000's that pull a larger crowed.
And there are "dead" mmo's that are running quite hapily with only a fraction of that number.
Your point was? |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:05:00 -
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OP whines there aren't enough EPIK BATTELZ.
I joined an industrial corp once, then stole some ore with my mischief char because they were jetcam mining in aeddin. In my wreathe i managed to steal three times from the one mining op and get away from their fail jaguar pilot. Had a bookmark between the belt and one of the two gates in system you see. Two gates, one station and i got away with their stuff, CEO was all like "You have chosen a dark path, we take care of our own in Aeddin." So i'm dealing with semi RP industrialist/mission runners who still have never been to 0.0 and think of lowsec as 'teh danger zone'. They mine, they make and sell stuff. For years, mind you. Some of them have medals awarded for flying around in 0.0 solo for 30 minutes. As someone who lived solo in the wildlands for a few months this is a wakeup.
Point is, if someone's enjoying something, they aren't stupid.
If someone's not enjoying something, won't try anything different, they aren't smart. |
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:23:00 -
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Inepsa1987 wrote:I know EVE is not a simple game, and its not an easy one. I do however think its pretty easy to define what EVE really is. EVE is a brutal and unforgiving world of PVP backed up by some pretty dedicated industrialists to keep everything moving. EVE cannot survive without both of these things working in unison. CCP sells EVE as a unique MMO that allows you to fly in a massive universe and do tons of cool stuff. I'll provide you with just a snippet of what a new player will see while checking out EVE, and a link for the lazies. DOMINATE YOUR ENEMIES
What is your definition of epic combat? Is it fleets of hundreds clashing in battle? Is it war for control of entire constellations?
Does high risk PvP get your blood racing? 1000+ ship fleet battles - hundreds of ship types - thousands of ship module optionsWhy is CCP advertising one thing, and producing another? They are not developing this content out, and have not been for years. So what is eve really? EVE is stagnant. Players were brought in with promises of epic combat and 1000+ fleet battles and were given PI click fests and the ability to watch an animated avatar walk around in his bedroom. A lot of people in eve like to fly spaceships, go figure, but flying them the same way and flying the same thing over and over again does get tiring. You have to produce large amounts of new material to keep people wanting to play the game. I feel like the only thing that is still holding this fantastic game together is its awesome community.
i can see what you did there. why didnt you just join one of the other billion whine threads? but good thing you just posted the same stuff again, its not like anyone would have ever read it before. very original i must say
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Zoe Alarhun
Drunken Space Irish
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:45:00 -
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If you get bored - do something else.
I changed races, ships and started pvp - different game from doing missions or wormholes. Went to null from low sec - I don't like constant politics. Went from fleet to solo/very small gang pvp.
You can change what you do in eve till you find something you enjoy. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.09.26 08:58:00 -
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Inepsa1987 wrote:The Apostle wrote:You have. So wtf are you on about then?
Wait........ Doh. Sorry. You're bored! I get it.
Forget everything I said man. Try and tell me that 1000 man battles function well. In the past year, they have added little to no content to flying in space and fleet battles.
I don't lag in those fights any more which is a massive step forwards. They are also about to nerf supers which will be fantastic as it means the DRF can no longer control their vast empty empire with nothing but the largest collection of supers nobody can counter. |
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